An Angle Straight to Hell.


Gordon J Torture
#1
Fourty-Five Degrees South East.
An Angle Straight to Hell.

I guess I could be classified as a "true socialist" by definition, since I believe above all else, true peace may only be achieved when a government is under complete dictatorship of the proletariat. In sticking to this belief, I often find my views much different than that of common "left-wing" philosophies which I rarely am able to perceive as anything more than attempts at culling partisan votes.

With that said, I will breifly state I think the entire idea of Quebec separating is ridiculous, and I do not personally approve of the majority of Chretien's former methods of leadership.

Now let us get on to business. It is the following quote I read on an Internet message board, and I have heard many times before, that inspired me to write this article.

"Unfortunately PM Chretien refused to help out in Gulf War (2) to ensure his legacy will be that of a coward"

It bothers me a great deal that one would consider the choice not to spread violence "an act of cowardice". A violence, we all know was ultimately only necessary as yet another medium for sucking up to North America's Emperor, the United States of America . One with the will to make such a virtuous decision as did Chretien, avoiding violence at all costs, would also be aware of the inevitability of future right-wing scrutiny and criticism he would soon have been subjected to as a consequence. Right-wings, despite the fact we live in Canada, have a far greater significant influence on our Country, which is obviously reflective of conditions in the rest of the Continent and the World, than any self proclaiming "left wing" organization. For one to continue on regardless of this, shows great courage. For one to so blatantly say "NO" to a super power of such great magnitude, shows great courage and for that alone, .Jean Chrétien earned my respect. Not as a leader, or a polititian, but as a man.

Now, in a time where many are arguing and bickering over the insignificant, let's look at the big picture. Why are things so screwed up? ... What do we do? ...

The "left wing" philosophies that have been plaguing this Country, as well as much of the world, while posing as "socialism" are no better than certain malevolent ways of capitalism. Current "Left-wingers" should not even be called "Left", since they in no way truely benefit the proletariat in the long run, and infact detriment the proletariat in many ways. If anything, they should be called "Down wingers" since down symbolizes the direction to hell, which is supposedly still a common beleif in this country. Even the often overlooked negative effects of "politcally correctness" which is so intensely pushed by the current so called "left", have a huge detrimental effect on the proletariat, who often because of their communities, parents, friends etc are not able to conform to "politically correct" ridiculousness even if they wanted to as a means to financial gain.

Financial gain, which thanks to capitalist greed, has now become synonymous with meritocracy. I find it a hilarious display of ignorance, that the same wealthy individuals who claim "some of the poorest people they have met are truly free and happy", use their perception of "meritocracy" as an attempt to justify why they so conveniently perceive a huge gap between classes as acceptable.

Democracy must go, at least indirect democracy must go, and high level University Education must be free to all citizens. Thus, the wealthy class would no longer also be the "intellectual" class, or at least the proportions would be more balanced, and so along with great strategic planning, manipulation of the masses will decrease, the balance of power can progressively shift peacefully into what can create a truly secure and peaceful nation.

Anyway, that sums it up for now, but in writing this I came to think how close the opinions of those who believe in capitalism and democracy, and those who believe in socialism and communal living, really are, despite their different views of materialism. Without their greed, we would be no different. It is the current illusion of a "Left Wing" organization that is clouding the minds of the masses with the irrelevent. The reality is, there is currently NO left, but only a right, and a down. On a compass that would balance out to about 45 Degrees SE..
 
Jay
#2
Forgive me, but it must suck pretty bad to go around labeling ones self as "proletariat".
 
mrmom2
#3
Sorry Gordo but that sounds like the Goverment needs told hold everyones hand no thanks
 
I think not
#4
It must suck even worse being so close to the Emperor and can't do anything about it.
 
Gordon J Torture
#5
Quote:

Forgive me, but it must suck pretty bad to go around labeling ones self as "proletariat"

Are you implying someone referred to himself as such?

The government need not hold anyone's hand. One need not value money over life itself.

As Robert A. Heimlein said "Does history record any case in which the majority was right?"
 
mattyaloo
#6
During the Iraq war, for example, I mentioned en passant that Power Corp. is the biggest shareholder in TotalFinaElf, the western corporation closest to Saddam Hussein (it has since changed its name to the Total Group). Total had secured development rights to 25 per cent of Iraq’s oil reserves, a transformative deal that would catapult the company from a second-rank player into the big leagues with Exxon and British Petroleum. For a year, the antiwar crowd had told us it was “all about oil”--that the only reason Iraq was being “liberated” was so Bush, Cheney, Halliburton and the rest of the gang could annex in perpetuity the second biggest oil reserves in the world. But, if it was all about oil, then the fact--fact--is that the only Western leader with a direct stake in the issue was not the Texas oilpatch stooge in Washington, but Jean Chrétien: his daughter, his son-in-law and his grandchildren stood to be massively enriched by the Total-Saddam agreement. It depended on two factors: Saddam remaining in power, and the feeble UN sanctions being either weakened into meaninglessness or quietly dropped. M. Chrétien may have refused to join the Iraq war on “principle,” but fortunately his principles happened to coincide with the business interests of both TotalFinaElf and the Baath party.
 
Twila
#7
Quote:

It must suck even worse being so close to the Emperor and can't do anything about it.

Yes it does. But only because the Emperors new clothes leave nothing to the imagination.....
 
mrmom2
#8
Wrong thread there Mattyaloo :P
 
Gordon J Torture
#9
Matt, however credible that may be, it proves nothing more than the striahgt path to hell of the so called "left".
 
I think not
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila

Quote:

It must suck even worse being so close to the Emperor and can't do anything about it.

Yes it does. But only because the Emperors new clothes leave nothing to the imagination.....

LOL! Good one Twila, always humor, I like that in you
 
mattyaloo
#11
George Bush may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all. What a mess this country: Canada, the only country that would rather have it's soldiers die than kill the enemy. The only country that calls four dead mounties (killed by one farmer) a "tragedy" as opposed to an "operational clusterf**k". What a weak unprincipled nation this is.
 
mrmom2
#12
Uhhhh are you a Canadian or what there Matty
 
Gordon J Torture
#13
Quote:

George Bush may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all.

You have got to be ****ing kidding me.
 
mattyaloo
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2

Uhhhh are you a Canadian or what there Matty

A Canadian not blinded by nationalism. This country is quickly becoming a joke -- a punchline...a BEER COMMERCIAL
 
Twila
#15
Quote:

George Bush may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all.

He very well might. But you forgot to finish the sentence. It really should read like this if it's to have any depth of truth to it:

GB may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all from real freedom.
 
Gordon J Torture
#16
Quote:

GB may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all from real freedom.

That sounds much more accurate.
 
mattyaloo
#17
You have got to be *censored* kidding me.[/quote]

Be objective here. Drop your ideology for a moment. Face it. You have no idea how to win the war on terrorism. So how can you be sure Bush isn't right? People used to say the same things about Reagan: He is a nutjob ex-actor who is going to bring the world into nuclear holocaust. Guess what? WRONG. He brought down the Soviet empire. Lesson? History may be much more kind to Bush than the present day people like yourself thinking that the sky is falling. Remember the "Canada - U.S. free trade agreement", how John Turner swore up and down it would be the death of this nation? lol, what a joke that turned out to be. Lesson? The left tends to overdo it when it opposes bold new direction.
 
I think not
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila

Quote:

George Bush may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all.

He very well might. But you forgot to finish the sentence. It really should read like this if it's to have any depth of truth to it:

GB may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all from real freedom.

GWB is a blip, he isn't permanent. He will bring about change, he already has, he has forced people to think in central terms instead of extreme right or left. He didn't do it intentionally, but it is having that effect since his re-election.
 
Gordon J Torture
#19
Quote:

You have no idea how to win the war on terrorism. So how can you be sure Bush isn't right?

How can I be sure Bush isn't it?
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by mattyaloo

George Bush may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all. What a mess this country: Canada, the only country that would rather have it's soldiers die than kill the enemy. The only country that calls four dead mounties (killed by one farmer) a "tragedy" as opposed to an "operational clusterf**k". What a weak unprincipled nation this is.


WOW...... that sounds very "American" in thinking. If you are CA........ and are so unhappy in Canada....why not simply move to the US......and just in the Bush crusade. After all Bush is the most "principled" leader on this planet at the moment ....NOT.

(sarcasm intended)

CA has its issues, no one denies that: but one must ask oneself:

"are you part of the problem or part of the solution???)
 
mattyaloo
#21
hello?
 
Jay
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Gordon J Torture

Quote:

Forgive me, but it must suck pretty bad to go around labeling ones self as "proletariat"

Are you implying someone referred to himself as such?


Quote: Originally Posted by Gordon J Torture

Fourty-Five Degrees South East.
An Angle Straight to Hell.

I guess I could be classified as a "true socialist" by definition, since I believe above all else, true peace may only be achieved when a government is under complete dictatorship of the proletariat. In sticking to this belief, I often find my views much different than that of common "left-wing" philosophies which I rarely am able to perceive as anything more than attempts at culling partisan votes.

It doesn’t appear as if your saying your Bourgeois.
 
mattyaloo
#23
Yes, you must be right (sarcasm), Bush, the leader of the most democratic nation in the world is the Terrorist. I'd MUCH rather live under the autocratic rule of the Taliban or Saddam Hussein. Women don't deserve rights anyway (sarcasm).
 
mrmom2
#24
Okay now your getting personal Matty boy Keep beer out of it or else :P
 
I think not
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

Quote: Originally Posted by mattyaloo

George Bush may yet go down in history as the man who saved us all. What a mess this country: Canada, the only country that would rather have it's soldiers die than kill the enemy. The only country that calls four dead mounties (killed by one farmer) a "tragedy" as opposed to an "operational clusterf**k". What a weak unprincipled nation this is.


WOW...... that sounds very "American" in thinking. If you are CA........ and are so unhappy in Canada....why not simply move to the US......and just in the Bush crusade. After all Bush is the most "principled" leader on this planet at the moment ....NOT.

(sarcasm intended)

CA has its issues, no one denies that: but one must ask oneself:

"are you part of the problem or part of the solution???)

You're obviously part of the problem with your stereotypical perceptions.
 
mattyaloo
#26
WOW...... that sounds very "American" in thinking. If you are CA........ and are so unhappy in Canada....why not simply move to the US......and just in the Bush crusade. After all Bush is the most "principled" leader on this planet at the moment ....NOT.

(sarcasm intended)

CA has its issues, no one denies that: but one must ask oneself:

"are you part of the problem or part of the solution???)[/quote]

The PROBLEM, my friend, is that this country operates under "groupthink" whereby it is sacrelig to suggest that someone from the right might actually have virtue.
 
mrmom2
#27
Friggin Neocon who hates beer not worth the time :P Bush is an idiot his war on terror has done more damage than good anybody with half a brain can figure that out
 
mattyaloo
#28
Yea, that's why Syria left lebanon, Lybia gave up it's WMDs and Saudi & Egypt have instituted the beginnings of women's rights and democracy. (Sarcasm) Bush's actions have had NO positive effect at all.
 
I think not
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by mattyaloo

Yea, that's why Syria left lebanon, Lybia gave up it's WMDs and Saudi & Egypt have instituted the beginnings of women's rights and democracy. (Sarcasm) Bush's actions have had NO positive effect at all.

At what cost?
 
mattyaloo
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2

Friggin Neocon who hates beer not worth the time :P Bush is an idiot his war on terror has done more damage than good anybody with half a brain can figure that out

So many logical problems with this quote. First of all you have assumed (a) that I even have a political leaning and that (b) it is neo-conservative in nature. Secondly I like beer, I just think it's a joke that this country gleans it's identity from a beer commercial. Third, and most importantly you have no idea what this world would be like if Bush had not reacted to the DECLARATION of war on 9/11. You are aware that islamic fundamentalists want to kill you..you don't deny that do you?
 

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