An Angle Straight to Hell.

Hmmm.

Actually, I already anwsered that. In many families, the men earn respect by working with their hands. Even with an education, they would still do so. Office workers and the like are considered "wimps" amungst their families. Also, getting a "PHD", as you mentioned several times, would require extra years of schooling. Not everyone desires a PHD even if it where free, especially when it will not lead to better pay.

People would be hired based much more on actual ability than currently, without individual circumstances leading up to that ability differing much between competitors for a position. Thus, it wil truly be a matter of the best of the best. Much like we PRETEND it is today.

So now your "equal" society consists of of an alternating ( at least ideally it would be alternating) governing class, Genius level & PHD's, a technical savy college intellectual base and general labourers. How do you cut up the pie? Seeing as no one would be working for a paycheck. Do you reward people that have more schooling ? Would the governing class have extra perks? Would you compensate the people doing the hard physical labour with a larger share?
How do you stop the brain drain? I get a free education in your country. What is to stop people from emigrating to another country where they will earn more than the state is willing to dole out? Are you going to force people to stay within your borders? Are you going to force them into a public service contract to offset the cost of their education?

Your setting up a society that is ripe with class divisions...which has always been the problem anyway.

Class divisions that represent differentiating qualities of life have always been the problem. This problem however, does not exist in what I have proposed, nor do significant class divisions once so ever. There would be no significant difference in "class" between a person with what is currently called a"PHD" and a person with a "Bachelor's degree", who each live the exact same quality of life and earn the exact same wage as one another. In addition, the opportunity to aquire what is curriently called a "PHD", in no way detriments the possibility of creating a true egalitarian society. Basic "highschool" would go up to grade 16 which would be equivalent to what is now a bachelor's degree, and most "general labourers" would complete this new level of "highschool" just as most of them complete the current level of Highscool. Meticulous courses in politics would be required to complete in order to graduate. People with "more schooling" would be no different than anyone else. Also, maintaining excessive wealth upon immigration to the country would be made extremely difficult to acheive. The reward is the altruistic example we would be setting for humankind.

The reward is feeding those who starve, educating those who seek knowledege, and healing those who need healing. The reward is being an equal to those who are truly your equal. You see, that is my "religion". My "religion" is that I do not beleive in the labelling of religions, but only to study them all from a true historical perspective. I simply consider myself "a believer." I believe in logic. I believe in the Universe, and Honer, and Love, and Justice. I believe in forces science is not yet able to fully understand. I believe in the overall equality of all human beings, and that every individual's potential to contribute to society in one way or another is equal in both neccessity and importance, whether healthy or bedridden.

One with extra years of schooling and a "PHD" may not be able to fix his mother's car, or help his neighbour put up drywall, thus, he is not sure to be more usefull to society than anyone else. He would indeed earn a paycheck, but it would have the same number of digits than anyone else's. His reward would be the respect given to him by people seeking his services, and his observing those who benefit as a result of those services. The only positive recognition any one would receive would be a result of a selfess act to help another. Thus, the only "reward" most people would desire, would be the recognition received as a result of helping others attain equality and life.

Obviously there would have to be certain laws made to discourage people who have no intent to contribute to an egalitarian society from abusing the system. Furthermore, the effect that even one country establishing such a society would have internationally, would be exponential both directly and influentially. There is no way to be certain they would even be able to "earn more money in another country", and if they did, they certainly would not be living a superior quality of life in that other country because of it. If they expect to return to the country that gave them a free high level education after they used us as an attempt to place themselves at a "higher level" than their fellow man, everything they earned in that other country would be taken away from and donated to educational services. Unless however, they previously arranged for all their profits to be donated to the poor in another country. If one leaves our Country, they will return no richer, but no poorer either. There would be systems in place to allow people to make extra money only if it is for the purpose of donating to the poor in other countries. There would be severe penalties for people who abused that system.
Zen once stated:

That is because you have yet to make a point that disproves any of my beliefs. One cannot concede that which does not exist.

Zen proclaimed several posts ago:

It seems he is not one who is true to his word.

Another cheap shot, gee ...that education is really working for you.You had stopped after I called you on your condescending attitude. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and that I was wrong about.

So now your free society is going to ensure your populace is forced to stay within your society until the individual pays back for forced education.

If you want to reneter the country you are born in you are forced to surrender anything you have earned on the outside. I can see a lot of dummy charities being set up...

Quiyte frankly I have made several points that have been unanswered, I suspect because because you have no answer to the very real possibilities I have presented.

You may not see how the pieces of the puzzle fit, that does not mean your questions are unanswered. If you list them all one after the other, numbered and in short sentences, I will reply and that may make it easier for you to see my anwsers and for me to not miss any.

Also, pointing out a lie is not condescending at all.

It would be impossible to equal the corruption of the American government with any amount of "dummy charities" that may arise. Even with potential flaws, it's a far better system for society collectively than the greed inspired dictatorship of the bourgoisie you live in now.

I mean common man, you have mentioned "possibilities" that are not even half as bad or numerous as the realities that are occuring now. Nor are they even isolated to only the system I am proposing.

Whatever...show me the lie. Keeping in mind I explained that I thought you could refrain from insulting me...so I re-entered the debate..again, I admit I was wrong about that. Apparently you can't refrain from looking down your nose at others and taking a cheap shot at them. If you want a list go back and read what you wrote and how I responded.Then carefully type out your list.

Ok Zen, I gave you a chance for all your "unanswered questions" to be answered in an organized fashion. You do not desire this however, so let this thread die we shall.

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