BC Election

mrmom2

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Mar 8, 2005
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Hey what do you know miracles do happen 8O Where going to finally have a real opposition to the goverment .All you leftys should be happy the NDP came back from oblivion :p
 

no1important

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Yeah but stv is only 57% with 5 ridings in. It needs to pass in 48 with 60% overall to pass. They say an STV update shortly.

Well if that teacher strike vote crap never came out the NDP would of won. Plus the greens split some of the left vote as well.

I thought Prince George/ Quesnel would of gone NDP with the sale of BC Rail but I guess not. I guess the people were not upset about it like the media portrayed.
 

no1important

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I am not sure. They seem to be slow counting ballots. But I guess they had to count mla votes first. I think the results will be updated soon. Too bad stv needs 60%, 55% would of been a fair percentage.
 

PHANTOMPHOENIX

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I am interested in the STV since u know if it works out in BC other provinces might follow suit.

That would mean that small parties would have a chance to grow.
 

no1important

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15 ridings yes 3 no. Only counted 120,000 tonight counted. Wont know final tally until tomorrow. Still in 55-57% range overall, not quite enough. But hopefully the high numbers will force some sort of change.
 

mrmom2

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I can't believe the voters gave Kruger a pass here in town 8O It just shows you tell the people the sky will fall enough times they begin to believe it :roll:
 

Ten Packs

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Well, at what looks like 46/33, it has brought much-needed balance back to the Legislature. But at least the NDP didnt win (not that I ever thought there was a chance.)

That would have been disaster-in-the-making.

It seems Generational, electing NDP. Happened in the early '70's, then in the early '90's.... seems to take about 20 years to forget. So I would say we are still 8 or 10 years away from the next one.

I sure hope the STV goes through, though - almost every riding I have seen has from 8-12% vote for the Greens, yet that means they elect NO-ONE.
That's not right......
 

no1important

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You can get updated STV and mla numbers here just click refresh to get any updates.

Liberals 45.9 % and NDP 41.2% in popular vote. So if there were no greens and no hullabaloo about so called teacher strike vote the NDP more than likely would of won. 54% of people never voted for liberals. Thats why we need a change onhow we vote.

STV is at 56.7% been static all night so..............CTV just predicted STV will fail. So close yet so far. :(
 

Ten Packs

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no1 - if memory serves, the first NDP win in the '90s was with a popular vote of 39%! You can't have it both ways.

btw - the phrase is "would HAVE".....
 

OakServe

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Apr 22, 2005
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Under the current FPTP voting system it is quite frustrating having two left-wing parties and only one right-wing party. One can easily see that there are more left-leaning voters in the province than there are right-leaning voters, but the left vote gets split in almost every riding. We need a solution to this, I would like to see the left-wing parties co-operate to avoid this fiasco by perhaps merging together to form a united left. The right-wing Liberals garnered around 46% of the popular vote whilst the left-wing NDP and Green parties together garnered just over 50% of the popular vote. To me this is a clear indication that BC is a left-leaning province, and for our electoral system to be churning out right-wing majority governments does not equate soundly.

I think that the Liberals have no mandate to govern with these kinds of numbers, but because the left is divided and our electoral system is flawed, somehow the Liberals get rewarded with Majority power whilst ideologically representing only 46% of voters.
 

no1important

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Re: RE: BC Election

Ten Packs said:
no1 - if memory serves, the first NDP win in the '90s was with a popular vote of 39%! You can't have it both ways.

btw - the phrase is "would HAVE".....

Yes but their were three viable parties back then not two. I never said I want it both ways I was making a point. I also know Cambell had more votes than Clark in 96 and still lost. The point is the way we need to vote has to change. Period.

I believe they would have one if not for the scare tactics of Campbell. People kinda get paranoid when "Teacher Strike" is mentioned. He had 54-55% of people vote against him this time compared to 57% voting for him last time. Yet last time he got 97.468 of the seats, that ain"t right either.

By the wayTen Packs, what about this quote of yours on previous page?

I sure hope the STV goes through, though - almost every riding I have seen has from 8-12% vote for the Greens, yet that means they elect NO-ONE.
That's not right......

Sounds pretty two face to criticize me when you say the same thing about the green party. :roll:
 

mrmom2

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Most of the people I know voted for the Greens as a throw away vote :lol: They couldn't stand the Libs or NDP.Don't be so sure that its a split of the left .I don't by that for a minute 8O A lot of people did not want to vote for Big Business or Big Unions :wink:
 
A vote for the Greens is NOT a throw away vote. A vote for the Greens was a vote for who you want, not who you don't want - ie - voting NDP to ensure no Liberal. I have seen my email inbox flooded with people saying they only voted NDP to make sure the Liberal was defeated. We saw the exact same thing happen federally - vote blocking.
I have spent four hours answering emails from people about last night. Many will claim the Greens stopped the NDP from winning outright - poppycock - they stopped the Greens from winning any seats!

In my own riding an NDP won even though he has the personality of a dead twig. He spent who knows how many dollars but the NDP targeted that riding in order to win it, and win it they did. I would not be surprised if they spent $6-8 per vote gained. On the other hand, I spent about .40 cents per vote gained - 1154 out of a total of 15400 votes cast.

Now one out of every ten BCers who voted as they wanted will get zero representation in the legislature. STV looks like it will not meet the 60% threshold and now the very state of democracy is in the hands of the Liberals who did not even get 50% (46%) of the total vote across BC, but get to decide if 58% is not enough.

Oops I should have added - I was the only Green that I know of so far that beat the incumbent - mine was the poster-girl and star of the new DRBC party. :)
 

Andygal

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I just sent an email to my (re-elected) Liberal MLA to try to encourage him to keep the issue of electoral reform on the table, since the referendum came SO close to passing, which shows that people WANT change. They may not want STV up to the standard required, but people want change, and I'm afraid that if people don't pressure them it'll be another decade before anything gets done.

I voted Green. I knew they had no chance whatshowever, the Liberals could probably run a chimpanzee in my riding and win but I voted for them anyway because I could not in good conscience vote for either of the other major parties.
 

OakServe

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It is vote splitting of the left. One thing I find frustrating about Greens is when they refuse to see that the NDP and Green parties have more in common then either have in common with the Libs. Earlier in the campaign I was considering voting Green because I liked their platform more then I like the NDP platform. Eventually though, on election day, it was a no-brainer. As I predicted, a lot of the people who voted green on may 17th incidentally voted Liberal. Under a better electoral system, voting for minority parties like the Greens may actually be democratic and worth your while. But under the current system, it becomes vote splitting on the left. The Greens are a left-wing party... therefore one must assume that their voters are left-leaning. If there are two left-wing parties in every election and only one right-wing party, it doesn't matter that we have more left-leaning people in BC because that vote is split. It's really stupid. I don't put all the blame on the Green party, although they are being really annoying by not admitting there is a vote split. At least the NDP acknowledges that the vote on the left is split. One of those two parties needs to either go away, or the two need to come together in order to unify the left. Having these two parties fight over the left-leaning voters is simply going to reck both their chances, for the Greens it recks their chances of ever getting 1 single seat. For the NDP it's a bigger loss, they must try and win a majority of seats whilst a tiny Green thorn is awaiting them in every seat of BC. With the NDP's huge chunk of voter support and the Green's small chunk of voter support, they can defeat the Liberals every election. But divided they fall. Despite their differences, they are left wing parties. And they are confusing our %50 of left-leaning voters, whilst the 46% of our right-leaning voters know exactly where to concentrate their vote. It's a matter of concentration, there aren't more right-wing people in BC but they are voting more efficiently. The majority of BC voters are left-leaning, but they can never represent that majority in an election until the political parties on the left start letting them concentrate their vote. We need every left vote in order to oust the right. I don't care whether it's the NDP or Green who gets the left vote so long as it's not being split. I hope the Green party dies. I am glad Adrianne Carr suffered defeat this tuesday and I hope they never run again. Not because i dislike the Greens, not because I dislike her, but because she has a weaker chance of saving us from Campbell and she is ruining the NDP's good chance by splitting the vote. Both the NDP and the Greens need to negotiate a coalition, they need to stack their chips together in order to take Campbell down. If they'd done it this election we'd already be free. I would love a Green-NDP coalition party. I think it would be a beautiful mixture.