Are the Conservatives fascists?

Are the Conservatives fascists?

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Vanni Fucci

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I've seen this list applied to the US government, with some frightening results, and I thought it would be cool to draw a correlation between the Conservatives and fascism. Before answering the poll question, please read the following and consider how many of these defining characteristics can be applied to the Consevative Party of Canada:

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
by Dr. Lawrence Britt

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
 

Vanni Fucci

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In addition:

general characteristics
of a fascist country:

1. Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is:

* Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems; piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.
* Chauvinistic: Two or more tiered legal systems, varying rights based upon superficial characteristics such as race, creed and origin.
* Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.

Though a dictatorship is the most common association with fascism, a democracy or republic can also be fascist when it strays away from its Tenets of sovereignty. In the 20th Century, many Fascist countries started out as republics. Through the use of fear, societies gave up their rights under the guise of security. Ultimately these republics morphed into Fascist states.

2. Fascism is an extreme measure taken by the middle classes to forestall lower-working class revolution; it thrives on the weakness of the middle classes. It accomplishes this by embracing the middle-class' love of the status-quo, its complacency and its fears of:

1. Generating a united struggle within the working class
2. Revolution
3. Losing its own power and position within society

In a more simplistic term the people currently in control fear that if they allow equal rights and equal consideration to those being oppressed, they will become oppressed and lose everything. Generally those in power are of a smaller segment of society, but they hold the wealth and control of key systems like manufacturing, law, finance and government position, (i.e. the slave owners in the south prior to the civil war) and the oppressed vastly outnumber them, (the slaves during the same period).

In reality it is the oppressors' fear of retribution by the oppressed that perpetuates fascism; for justification they dehumanize, demonize, strip them of rights, add new laws, restrict movement and attempt to control them by whatever means possible to prevent an uprising. It is very common in a fascist system to have the oppressed referred to as sub-human, animals, terrorists, savages, barbarians, vermin or any other term designed to create justification for the acts of terror and fascism perpetrated on the oppressed. Via dehumanization society can then accept that the oppressed are incapable of thinking or acting in a peaceful manner or taking care of themselves, and thus society is exonerated from culpability in their own minds. Propaganda, not persuasion, logic or law, is the tool of fascism, though at times very difficult to spot. It specifically rides the fact that negative behavior is innate, (born with) rather than a logical behavior in response to oppression. Propaganda also empowers the oppressors with elitism racially, socially, intellectually and/or spiritually.
 

Vanni Fucci

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In conclusion:

The 7 conditions (Warning signs) that foster & fuel fascism are:

1. Instability of capitalist relationships or markets

2. The existence of considerable declassed social elements

3. The stripping of rights and wealth focused upon a specific segment of the population, specifically the middle class and intellectuals within urban areas as this the group with the means, intelligence and ability to stop fascism if given the opportunity.

4. Discontent among the rural lower middle class (clerks, secretaries, white collar labor). Consistent discontent among the general middle and lower middle classes against the oppressing upper-classes (haves vs have-nots).

5. Hate: Pronounced, perpetuated and accepted public disdain of a specific group defined by race, origin, theology or association.

6. Greed: The motivator of fascism, which is generally associated with land, space or scarce resources in the possession of those being oppressed.
7. Organized Propaganda:

a) The creation of social mythology that venerates (creates saints of) one element of society while concurrently vilifying (dehumanizing) another element of the population through misinformation, misdirection and the obscuring of factual matter through removal, destruction or social humiliation, (name-calling, false accusations, belittling and threats).

b) The squelching of public debate not agreeing with the popular agenda via slander, libel, threats, theft, destruction, historical revisionism and social humiliation. Journalists in particular are terrorized if they attempt to publish stories contrary to the agenda.

3. Fascism dovetails business & government sectors into a single economic unit, while concurrently increasing in-fighting and distrust between the units fostering advancement towards war.

4. a) Fascism promotes chauvinist demagogy, (appealing to the prejudices and emotions of the populace) by fostering selective persecution and accepted public vilification of the target group. It then promotes this a "patriotic", "supportive" or "the party line" and disagreement with such as "anti-government", "anti-faith" or "anti-nation".

b) Fascism creates confusion through "facts". It relies on junk science, revisionism, the elimination of cultural records/treasures and obfuscations to create its case and gain acceptance. Fascism can also combine Marxist critiques of capitalism or faith based critics of the same to re-define middle class perceptions of democracy and to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups. This is also referred to as creating a state of Cognitive Dissonance, the mental state most human beings are easily manipulated within.

5. Both middle and upper-middle-class dictated democracy and fascism are class dictatorships that use organized violence (verbal or physical) to maintain the class rule of the oppressors over the oppressed.

The difference between the two is demonstrated by the policies towards non-lower-working class classes. Fascism attains power through the substitution of one state's form of class domination with another form, generally a middle class based republic segues into an open terrorist dictatorship, run by a few elite.
 

Karlin

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I think you have a strong case there Vanni.

I saw several on the list that match Harper's position on the various issues. I'll choose one, er. two:
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
....The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

I wish I had quotes available, but Harper is all in favour of this stuff - the War on Drugs, the harsher sentences, and most damning is tortute. No outcry from his ranks about the various torture cases Canada and the U.S. are involved in. Support for the Iraq invasion too - am I right?


Anyway, if PCs favour America and its Fascism, then BINGO, you got it right because Bush-America is showing its hand in Fascsim a little more than Canadian Fascists have to. They only come out at night, etc.....

But of course it is also true that the Liberals are fascist too, that its allready going on in many ways...
 

dukee

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1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -

It is the Liberals that are more apt to wrap themselve around in the Canadian flag. They fought the last election on the premise that those that did not share the values of their party were "unCanadian".


2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

To think that ANY of these things are applicable to the Conservative Party would be a gross mistake. The most controversial act of violence from the Conservative Party in recent memory that I can think of was Mr. Harper's big chair kicking incident at their convention.


3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
"The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe."

I would say that is applicable to rallying in hatred against President George Bush.


4. Supremacy of the Military -

Our military hitchhikes across the world. Spending increases are needed to keep our military from simply collapsing under the increasing number of tasks we require of them.

Plus, you'd be fooling yourself if you thought that the Conservatives would make the military "supreme".

5. Rampant Sexism -

Canada's only female Prime Minister was a Conservative. Because of this, National Geographic magazine named her one of the most important political figures in history (I know, I know, I'm still scratching my head on that one too).

One of my favorite politicians over the last decade has been Deb Grey. I like that kind of kick butt and take names type attitude in a woman.

6. Controlled Mass Media -

The broadcast media in Canada is controlled by the CRTC, which is nothing more than a board of Liberal appointed stooges. In turn, the have concentrated media power in a small group of media elites. Bell Globemedia, the Aspers, CHUM, Power Corp, etc comprise a small group of Liberal friends that have been given control of the Canadian media.

The Conservatives plan to limit the powers of the CRTC.

7. Obsession with National Security -

I don't think the Conservatives could be consider obsessed with national security.

While protecting its people is one of the primary reason for a government to exist, I would consider the Conservatives on this issue to be more like moderately guarded.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -

Every politician brings with him/herself the values that they hold true (be they religious or secular). To deny those with religious convictions from holding power would be an affront on a basic human right.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -"The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. "

That is a very succinct description of the Liberal Party of Canada. They dole out goodies to their corporate friends in exchange for political favours. Does Power Corp ring any bells?

One of the planks of the Conservative platform is to remove the corporate welfare mentality that breads an elite clique like this.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -

Members of unions like the autoworks, medical, gov't etc. can make over 100 grand a year. They are not interested in toppling anything.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -

The Conservative's leader has very strong connections to the academic community.

One of their policy goals is to stemy the brain drain that is causing our educated from leaving this country.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -

While Conservatives have a stronger position in regards to the justice system than the Liberals, I would hardly see it as an obsession. Some Canadians have justifiably grown frustrated with the revolving door system we have right now that throws offenders back on the street in a very short period of time.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability.

WOW. Now that one really smacks of the Liberal Party. Which reminds me, I should really get back to watching the Gomery Enquiry.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against
or even assassination of opposition candidates,

Smear campaigns are a sign of being a fascist. Let me replay the 2004 election. NEAT! Chalk another one up to the Liberals being fascists.
 

Extrafire

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Hmmmm....Except for points 4, 7, 8 & 10 of your initial post, your points somewhat apply to the federal Liberals. Except for 8 & 9 they all apply to communism.

Number 8 definitely didn't apply to Hitler, he despised christianity.

Going through them all, I don't see any that apply to the Conservatives.
 

Extrafire

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Fascism can appear in many venues, not just a government. For example, speech codes at universities, hiring quotas based on race, sex etc. rather than merit, political correctness in general, just another name for left wing fascism. Not to mention any religion taken to extremes, like radical Islam. It is also the major component of communism.
 

Vanni Fucci

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Alright, in the interest of clarity, I will support my posturing with the following assertions:

Liberal Party members should be considered Red Conservatives.

Conservative Party should be considered Blue Conservatives.


Going through the list of 14 defining points, I've arrived at the following conclusions:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism. As a stated goal of the Sponsorship Program...score 1 point for the Red team.

2. Disdain for Recognition of Human Rights. All part and parcel with the Conservative Party's official policy. Score 1 for the Blue team.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause. This would include racial profiling as advocated by the Blue team. 1 point.

4. Supremacy of the Military. Well the steady decline of our military over the last decade sort of precludes either party from being guilty of this defining point.

5. Rampant Sexism. "Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. " 3 point for the Blue team.

6. Controlled Mass Media. CBC, 1 point for the Red team.

7. Obsession with Nation Security. It was the Liberals that enacted the Anti-terrorism Act, and the Conservatives that complained that it was not strong enough. 1 point for the Red team, 2 points for the Blue.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined. Stephen Harper would love to see that happen. 1 point for the Blue team.

9. Corporate Power is Protected. Both the Red and Blue teams gain 1 point each.

10. Labor Power is Supressed. Neither party have any respect for labour unions, or for keeping existing non-union jobs in country. Both the Red and Blue teams gain 1 point each.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts. 2 points to the Blue team for advancing creationist dogma over evolutionary intellectualism.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment. 2 points for the Blue team for introducing a private members bill that would disallow any depiction of nudity from being classified as having "artistic merit" in the courts.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption. 5 points for the Red team and we all know the reason why.

14. Fraudulent Elections. With the trend in the new millenium towards rigged elections in supposedly democratic nations, I would not put this past either party to try to pull off.

So it seems that the government combined with the official opposition has us well on the way to being a fascist state...
 

Reverend Blair

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It is the Liberals that are more apt to wrap themselve around in the Canadian flag.

Harper is wrapped in the American flag. Go figure.

The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

To think that ANY of these things are applicable to the Conservative Party would be a gross mistake. The most controversial act of violence from the Conservative Party in recent memory that I can think of was Mr. Harper's big chair kicking incident at their convention.

Same sex marriage is a rights issue. Racial profiling is a rights issue. Treaties with the natives are a rights issue.

I would say that is applicable to rallying in hatred against President George Bush.

How about Conservative screams against homesexuals, Muslims, Atheists. How long a list do you want. The Conservative Party is filled with hate-mongers.

Our military hitchhikes across the world. Spending increases are needed to keep our military from simply collapsing under the increasing number of tasks we require of them.

Plus, you'd be fooling yourself if you thought that the Conservatives would make the military "supreme".

The Conservatives would put the military...a war fighting mini-me of the US military, not peacekeepers...ahead of medical care, the environment, and human rights. They have made this absolutely clear.

Canada's only female Prime Minister was a Conservative. Because of this, National Geographic magazine named her one of the most important political figures in history (I know, I know, I'm still scratching my head on that one too).

One of my favorite politicians over the last decade has been Deb Grey. I like that kind of kick butt and take names type attitude in a woman.

Deb Grey is a woman? News to me.

The Conservatives, at their recent convention, narrowly voted to not to raise the abortion issue. One third of their candiates, mostly extremists from the west, were absent. Notice that they didn't, even with wackos missing, affirm a woman's right to choose. Instead they they decided that their stance was so unpopular that they couldn't sell it to the Canadian people, so they wouldn't raise it.

They are also against a national daycare program, even though it would be a huge benefit to lower income families and single mothers.

I don't think the Conservatives could be consider obsessed with national security.

While protecting its people is one of the primary reason for a government to exist, I would consider the Conservatives on this issue to be more like moderately guarded.

Their complaint about our rights raping security bill was that it didn't take away enough of our rights. When Maher Arar was originally deported they supported the US government's actions. They would have sent troops to Iraq and the only reason they have said they wouldn't have is that our military is too small.

Every politician brings with him/herself the values that they hold true (be they religious or secular). To deny those with religious convictions from holding power would be an affront on a basic human right.

Jean Chretien and Paul Martin are both Catholics. They both went against the Pope on SSM and abortion rights. They realized that they have no right to force their religious beliefs on Canadians who do not share those beliefs. Stephen Harper would force his religious beliefs on us though. Some within his party would even try to Creationism into science class.

Stephen Harper and his backers have no respect for the separation between church and state.

That is a very succinct description of the Liberal Party of Canada. They dole out goodies to their corporate friends in exchange for political favours. Does Power Corp ring any bells?

One of the planks of the Conservative platform is to remove the corporate welfare mentality that breads an elite clique like this.

It was the Conservatives that kept Cargill from being fined for contempt of parliament after it refused to open its books to explain how and why it took money from the government meant to go to Ranchers and applied to to their bottom line.

Let's have a little look how the Conservatives in Alberta deal with corporate welfare. From Shifting Sands by Don Gillmour in the April 2005 issue of The Walrus:
The oil-sands are owned by the citizens of Albertaand managed, in trust, by the provincial government, but as the latter doles out generous tax incentives to private industry, it's own revenues diminish in the process. While oil sands production increased by 74 percent between 1995 and 2002, royalties from the oil sands decreased 30 percent, a function of the low 1 percent royalty rate.

There's more there, but what it amounts to is that Conservatives toss away huge amounts in corporate welfare, just like they always have.

Members of unions like the autoworks, medical, gov't etc. can make over 100 grand a year. They are not interested in toppling anything.

The Conservatives are not only anti-union, but have a long record of refusing to institute new labour legislation and even rolling back existing legislation to please their corporate donors.

The Conservative's leader has very strong connections to the academic community.

One of their policy goals is to stemy the brain drain that is causing our educated from leaving this country.

The basement in the University of Calgary is hardly a strong connection to the academic community. The Conservatives have been continually disparaging of anything they see as intellectualism. They have also waged a war on grants to the arts, especially those they don't see as supporting their Beaver Cleaver outlook of what Canada should look like.

While Conservatives have a stronger position in regards to the justice system than the Liberals, I would hardly see it as an obsession.

They are obsessed though. They would arrest more people and keep them locked up for longer, to the point where they would have to build many new prisons at a cost of billions of dollars. That came out during the last election.

It is a model that we've seen fail dismally in the United States.

WOW. Now that one really smacks of the Liberal Party. Which reminds me, I should really get back to watching the Gomery Enquiry.

Hmmm...I'm not too young to remember the Mulroney years. He actually created new Senate seats so he could use cronyism and corruption to ensure his sale of Canada to the lowest bidder. I seem to remeber Justice Gomery from that era too...he was one of Mulroney's cronies.



Smear campaigns are a sign of being a fascist. Let me replay the 2004 election. NEAT! Chalk another one up to the Liberals being fascists.

Funny, it's a lawyer named Vic Toews who was caught breaking election laws here in Manitoba. He's a member of the federal Conservatives now...their top legal mind, in fact. There was another election scandal here involving Conservatives too. They were up to more than a little skulduggery.

The Conservative Party of Canada would be a burgeoning fascist regime, just like their owners in Washington are.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Are the Conservatives

You have to learn how to watch TV, listen to the radio, and read all at the same time, Vanni. After that the rest is easy. ;-)
 

Extrafire

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You left out one of the players in your assertions, Vanni. Here's my evaluation:

Liberals - Red
Conservatives - Blue
NDP - Pink


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism. As a stated goal of the Sponsorship Program...score 1 point for the Red team.
Agreed, 1 point Red, but also 1 point Pink for rather hysterical nationalism any time the USA is mentioned.
2. Disdain for Recognition of Human Rights. All part and parcel with the Conservative Party's official policy. Score 1 for the Blue team.
Conservatives are the only ones trying to restore all individual human rights. No points for them. Liberals and NDP like to remove rights of their opponents (gag laws) and rights to own property. NDP assigns or removes rights according to your group. 1 point Red, 2 points Pink.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause. This would include racial profiling as advocated by the Blue team. 1 point.
Common practice of the NDP (corporations, American imperialists, christian fundementalists etc.) Liberals would do this to a lesser extent if it would advance them. 2 points Pink, 1 point Red.
4. Supremacy of the Military. Well the steady decline of our military over the last decade sort of precludes either party from being guilty of this defining point.
Agreed for all 3.
5. Rampant Sexism. "Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. " 3 point for the Blue team.
Both NDP and Libs like the state to be the ultimate guardian of the family, removing parental authority. Both also have policies that promote on the basis of sex rather than merit. None of the 3 have any policies of suppressing divorce, abortion or homosexuality. 1 point red, 1 point pink.
6. Controlled Mass Media. CBC, 1 point for the Red team.
NDP are more controling in this area. They would expand the powers of the CRTC to ban any broadcast of opinions they don't agree with. 1 point Red, 3 points Pink.
7. Obsession with Nation Security. It was the Liberals that enacted the Anti-terrorism Act, and the Conservatives that complained that it was not strong enough. 1 point for the Red team, 2 points for the Blue.
Conservatives are concerned with national security, but not obsessed. Libs and NDP basicly ignore it. No points to any.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined. Stephen Harper would love to see that happen. 1 point for the Blue team
A few of the fundy radicals might like to see that happen, but Harper and the party would not. The majority of United Church clergy are NDP supporters and some of them run as NDP candidates. It consistantly supports NDP policies and almost seems to be the religious arm of the NDP. 1 point Pink.
9. Corporate Power is Protected. Both the Red and Blue teams gain 1 point each.
Hmmmmm......Yup, 1 point Red for sure (Power Corp) and 1 point Blue.
10. Labor Power is Supressed. Neither party have any respect for labour unions, or for keeping existing non-union jobs in country. Both the Red and Blue teams gain 1 point each.
NDP gives power to union leaders, not labourers. Conservatives like to keep labour unions to their original purpose but don't suppress them. No points to any.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts. 2 points to the Blue team for advancing creationist dogma over evolutionary intellectualism.
Conservative tend to support intellectuallism while Libs and NDP support only those who agree with them. None actually have distain for intellectuals. Libs and NDP seem to be suckers for the arts (3 million for a painting of red & blue stripes). Conservatives have distain for the hucksters who pedal garbage as art, but not for anything that requires a modicum of talent. No points to any.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment. 2 points for the Blue team for introducing a private members bill that would disallow any depiction of nudity from being classified as having "artistic merit" in the courts.
Libs and especially NDP tend to view criminals as victims so no points there. Conservatives would like the laws to be enforced and upheld so that criminals aren't back out on the street before the arresting officer has completed the paperwork. That doesn't qualify as obsession. No points.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption. 5 points for the Red team and we all know the reason why.
Blatantly obvious but I award only 3 points Red.
14. Fraudulent Elections. With the trend in the new millenium towards rigged elections in supposedly democratic nations, I would not put this past either party to try to pull off.
Considering how corrupt the Libs are and the tactics they use to win elections, I wouldn't put it past them and they may already have done so, but no real evidence. The NDP have also had some shady dealings in provincials, as have conservatives, but not enough for points.

So on the fascism scale we have the Libs at 9 points, the NDP at 10 points and the Conservatives at 1 point. I suspect, based on the rhetoric that emanates from the NDP that if they were to attain power we would see their score rise considerably.
 

dukee

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Some interesting points from both Vanni and Extrafire.

I thing we must remember though is that facism is a very strong term that is a far removed concept relative to the positions of any of Canada's relatively boring political parties.

If the three Canadian political parties are:
HERE --- then facism is over -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> HERE
 

Extrafire

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Wow, I just read Extrafire's and I have to wonder if he's ever followed politics beyound reading The Sun.

I don't read the Sun. Most of what I hear comes from listening to CBC radio, although I sometimes have to filter out the left wing bias.