The Gomery Inquiry on Sponsorship Scandals


Reverend Blair
#31
I don't rhyme much, and my iambic pentameter sucks, but what the f***?

Media Stuffed With Crap


When will we find truth?
Never, or at least not yet.
There's spin to spin and an election to...

Oh yeah, the election.
Pretty much a truth-free zone now.
Let's go attack.

The attack is always fun,
Politics as bloodsport,
Makes me rock.

Like a hockey fight and a NASCAR crash all in one.
I love it as much as the next guy,
Why Not?

That blood on the ice is ours though,
The headless corpse being pried out of the wreck is us.
nevermind.

You guys want to just run straight politics?
Slurs and scandal and who put what in which pig?
I can play. Buck a ball, lay your money down. I'll break.

Did you know Stephen Harper has a three-headed illegitmate child?
Neither did I until I made it up just now.
Now prove it wrong, or at least not hypocritical.

Or we could just work to fix ****.

Your choice.
 
shamus11
#32



How Serious Is the Adscam Inquiry?

By

James Bredin

They searched around until they found a very good reason,
To steal from the treasury and not be charged with treason,
Said it was Sponsorship Plan because of Referendum Two,
Envelopes stuffed with money for this plundering crew.



Great country as you can tell but with politicians from hell,
Who pillage the treasury in a way no one can tell,
You remember Jean Chretien and his little golf ball stunt,
Such arrogant self confidence and he did it out front.



This sponsorship program was in keeping with the season,
To show the flag in Quebec they said was their reason,
That plus equalization should keep Quebec quiet,
Plus federal bilingualism should reduce any riot.



But now that they’ve been caught with both hands in the cookie jar,
Helping themselves to taxpayers’ money from near and from far,
As the stench of their corruption permeates their ranks,
Without firewall protection and they never said thanks.



As the Quebecois now look at their federal politicians,
And they ponder their future with these same conditions,
As separatists urge them on and say it’s time for a change,
We need Referendum Three so we can rearrange.



As some politicians search frantically for a reason,
Close adscam and no election until another season,
But the hockey has been delayed and people are confused,
Is this serious stuff or should we be amused?


Saturday, April 09, 2005

E-mail the guy who wrote it...
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Ten Packs
#33
Believe Grit or not
Calgary Sun

Ex-PM Jean Chretien, you’ll recall, testified before Justice John Gomery’s AdScam inquiry that he didn’t know about any wrongdoing in the federal sponsorship program he created.

Well, if the stunning testimony by former Groupaction Marketing president Jean Brault — released by Gomery Thursday — is to be believed, there were many things Jean Chretien didn’t know:

• Jean Chretien didn’t know that Brault, who has ties to the Chretien family going back almost 30 years, kicked back more than $1 million to the Liberal party over nine years in return for at least $40 million in sponsorship contracts alone.

• Jean Chretien didn’t know that one of the key players through whom these secret payments were made was Jacques Corriveau, a longtime Chretien crony and a key member of his leadership campaigns.

• Jean Chretien didn’t know that Brault paid Corriveau’s firm hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing nothing — money which Brault understood was destined for the Liberal party.

• Jean Chretien didn’t know that his older brother, Gabriel (Gaby) Chretien, to whom he is extremely close, conspired with Brault to obscure a paper trail linking the Liberal party to the sponsorship scandal. (Brault said he and Chretien’s brother agreed Brault would disguise a $4,000 donation to the Liberals as a payment to Gaby through a phoney invoice.)

• Jean Chretien didn’t know that his own niece, who had previously worked at Corriveau’s firm, was one of the people Corriveau strong-armed Brault into hiring at Groupaction.

• Jean Chretien didn’t know Corriveau also pressured Brault into hiring Liberal partisans who actually did full-time work for the Liberals while being paid by Groupaction.

• Jean Chretien didn’t know that another prominent individual through whom Groupaction funnelled cash to the Liberal party was Benoit Corbeil, president of the Liberal party’s Quebec wing in the 1990s and a confidant of Corriveau’s.

• Jean Chretien didn’t know his top adviser, Jacques Corriveau, was paid $430,000 by Brault for work that was billed but never performed by Corriveau’s company, Pluri-Design.

Moving on from Chretien, Alfonso Gagliano — Chretien’s public works minister, and thus responsible for the sponsorship program — also testified that he didn’t know of any wrongdoing.

Gagliano didn’t know that Brault funnelled tens of thousands of dollars to the Liberals through Joseph Morselli, a confidant of Gagliano’s.

Nor did he know that Brault and Morselli met at a Montreal restaurant where Brault put $5,000 on the table in an envelope, went to the bathroom, and returned to find the money was gone.

Nor did he know Brault delivered an envelope stuffed with $25,000 in cash to Morselli at Gagliano’s fundraising dinner.

In total, Brault says he doled out $100,000 in cash to Morselli, supposedly to help the provincial arm of the federal Liberals.

Nor did he know top Quebec Liberals also pushed Brault to pay $84,000 to Liberal staffer Serge Gosselin, who Brault said never worked at Groupaction. Commission lawyers say Gosselin was working on a book on Gagliano while on Brault’s payroll.

“We were very heavily solicited,” Brault recalled April 1 under questioning from lead inquiry counsel Bernard Roy.

“We didn’t ask questions and we understood that all contributions were going to be taken into consideration and that we would be compensated (for it) one way or another.”

Finally, Prime Minister Paul Martin testified he didn’t know of any wrongdoing in the sponsorship program either, despite being Chretien’s finance minister and the senior minister from Quebec.

This is what the Liberals are asking us to believe.

Unbelievable.
 
Ten Packs
#34
 
Reverend Blair
#35
Gomery for Dummies likely gives a fairer political analysis than the Calgary Sun, Ten Packs.

Jean Chretien, like a lot of senior politicians, would have been very careful not to know certain things.
 
insignificant
#36
Quick question:

- How will anything EVER change if people continue to vote in the same party?

- Did we not know about this scandle prior to the last election? I specifically didn't vote for the Liberals then because of the scandle. What about the one billion missing in HRDC? That one seems to be deeply burried under the Canadian Shield! Oh well - I guess the majority of Canadians are happy with a corupt government.
 
Reverend Blair
#37
Quote:

- How will anything EVER change if people continue to vote in the same party?

Things won't change as long as we keep voting in Liberals or Conservatives. You want a change? Vote for a party that will institute proportional representation or push whatever party you are voting for (and memberships are cheap as hell) to make PR part of their platform.

That makes things like this difficult for anybody to pull off because you end up with members of all parties sitting in cabinet together.

The Conservatives are a joke on this scandal thing...their record is no better. They don't back anything that would change things though. The remind me of a crooked cop waiting to bust somebody so he can steal their stash.
 
insignificant
#38
I agree with proportional representation, my problem as a right wing voter is that I only have one alternative to the Liberals, and that is the torries. I think back to the Mulroney days - I know he (and his cronies) were no better. I don't agree with many conservative policies, but I feel that they are my only alternative. I wish the REFORM party wouldn't have merged.
 
Reverend Blair
#39
There are options, insignificant. There's the Progressive Canadian Party. There's David Orchard. You can start your own party. You can work within the Conservatives to change them.

Saying that there is no choice is disingenuous at best...no matter which side of the political spectrum you are on.
 
PoisonPete2
#40
the fortunes of Political Parties in Canada, rise and fall at the whim of the 905 area code. These are the folks who gave 'heartless' Harris a second majority provincially. Perhaps they haven't heard of Gomery or they just don't care. Anyway if they put the Bush Babies into power, I'm off to Lotus Land.
Response to thread - I do care about this criminal conspiracy and I see that Cretien and his cronies have seriously weakened Confederation. A pox on them
 
Jay
Avatar
#41
"These are the folks who gave 'heartless' Harris a second majority provincially."


Then they gave Brainless Dolton a stab at it....
 
Aizlynne
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by insignificant

I agree with proportional representation, my problem as a right wing voter is that I only have one alternative to the Liberals, and that is the torries. I think back to the Mulroney days - I know he (and his cronies) were no better. I don't agree with many conservative policies, but I feel that they are my only alternative. I wish the REFORM party wouldn't have merged.

There are so many choices to choose from my friend. Don't think for a minute it's one or the other. Last election 26 parties ran... but most folks only think of 2 (or 4). Vote independant if you feel strongly enough. If you don't vote for crooks they don't get in!
Cheers!
 
Reverend Blair
#43
Quote:

Response to thread - I do care about this criminal conspiracy and I see that Cretien and his cronies have seriously weakened Confederation. A pox on them

It's not just Chretien and the Liberals. Mulroney had cabinet ministers doing weekends in jail. He had his own little advertising scandal too. Chuck Guite was hip-deep in that as well.

We have a system that rewards criminality, encourages hypocrisy, and promotes incompetence. Voting for either of the two parties who benefit from that is not going to bring about change.
 
Numure
#44
La Commission Gomery, followed by Incredibly poor leadership skills showed by Charest, added with the fall of the Martin goverment replaced by the Conservatives, and Duceppe takin leadership of the PQ = We winning a referendum with a large majority.

Lets face it, the only one that maneged to keep this country together (Threw fraud and corruption, though this was only a minor factor that only blew our slim majority vote) was Chretien. He was casrismatic, and appealled to all the soft seperatist with his media campaign against seperatist.

But he is gone. Even if Martin is the one to fight a referendum, he won't be able too. If the conservatives are in power, we win. No contest at all.

We shall have our country. I thought the dream was dead just a few years ago. But now the passion for the cause is back in my heart. And I see that same passion burning in most of my generation. Something I've never seen. With every Charest screw up, and every Gomery Commision revelation, the dreams seems closer and closer.

Notre pays, va voir le jour.

Vive le Québec libre.
 
Aizlynne
#45
Hey - I am all for provincial automony in certain areas and applaude Quebecers for wanting the same. There is no shame in wanting Provincial controls, especially on things that are provincial matters (such as health care for example).

I gotta disagree with your ascertion however that Quebecers will be better off with Canada, especially Alberta and Ontario who actually fund the provincial coffers of every other province in this country in order to provide equalization of services. I don't see how going out on your own is going to put you and the other people of Quebec in a better postion. Perhaps you can share your thoughts on this.
 
Numure
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Aizlynne

Hey - I am all for provincial automony in certain areas and applaude Quebecers for wanting the same. There is no shame in wanting Provincial controls, especially on things that are provincial matters (such as health care for example).

I gotta disagree with your ascertion however that Quebecers will be better off with Canada, especially Alberta and Ontario who actually fund the provincial coffers of every other province in this country in order to provide equalization of services. I don't see how going out on your own is going to put you and the other people of Quebec in a better postion. Perhaps you can share your thoughts on this.

We do, provide 1/5 th of Canada's total gdp. That for 1/5 of the population. So, on our own, I dont see how we could be worse off. We pay everything twice. We already have a duplicate in place for half the Federal services. We would actually be saving money by splitting our own way.

Though as you said in the first part, Provincial Autonomy is the solution to Canadian Unity. We need strong provincial goverments and a loose Federal Goverment. Its the only solutiong that I see fit (And alot of my coleagues in the PQ and BQ share my point of view). But apparently, most of Canada doesnt share that view. And they will never share it. Fresh ideas from seperatist are shunned upon, thanks to the fear campaign of the liberals.
 
insignificant
#47
go ahead and separate! BC and AB should separate too
 
mrmom2
#48
Hey Sig there is something we can agee on
 
Numure
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by insignificant

go ahead and separate! BC and AB should separate too

If you can get enough support for it, then go ahead. Be my guest.
 
no1important
#50
There has never been a large grass root movement to seperate. Rumbling yes but nothing serious. However that could easily change if the "right person" decided to push it. Someone with Flare, who is Flamboyant, good talker etc. It won't happen in my lifetime nor should it. We should stop our petty grumblings and work together to make a better country.
 
Numure
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by no1important

There has never been a large grass root movement to seperate. Rumbling yes but nothing serious. However that could easily change if the "right person" decided to push it. Someone with Flare, who is Flamboyant, good talker etc. It won't happen in my lifetime nor should it. We should stop our petty grumblings and work together to make a better country.

A René Levesque of British Columbie to be precise
 
insignificant
#52
Quote:

We do, provide 1/5 th of Canada's total gdp. That for 1/5 of the population. So, on our own, I dont see how we could be worse off. We pay everything twice. We already have a duplicate in place for half the Federal services. We would actually be saving money by splitting our own way.

Does that mean there won't be french on the back of my cereal box anymore?
 
Chake99
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by Numure

thanks to the fear campaign of the liberals.

what fear campaign? Such a fear campaign would have to be national but here in Ontario I have no clue what you are talking about.

earlier post:
Quote:

Lets face it, the only one that maneged to keep this country together (Threw fraud and corruption, though this was only a minor factor that only blew our slim majority vote) was Chretien. He was casrismatic, and appealled to all the soft seperatist with his media campaign against seperatist.

or maybe because seperating while the Prime Minister is Quebecois would seem extremely weird. "We are not getting enough of a voice in the government, despite the fact the Prime Minister of the country is Quebecois"

Quote:

Vive le Québec libre.

Vive le Canada.
 
Kevin
#54
Does anyone know of the oppotunity to force the Liberal party itself to pay any funds found to be miss appropriated?

I ask simply because they all ware the success of the election, they should all ware the shame of this scandle.
 
Chake99
#55
They should pay back all money to the federal government that was kick-backed to them and cancel the tax reduction that those who donated to them would have recieved from the sponsor-ship scandal.

Kevin, Since you say you are from Toronto I would guess english is your first language. If so, how old are you?
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#56
Hey Chake...

No hittin' on the newbs...
 
Reverend Blair
#57
Quote:

Does anyone know of the oppotunity to force the Liberal party itself to pay any funds found to be miss appropriated?

They've promised to do so, but have made no concrete moves in that direction. When Bill Blaikie (NDP, my area) made a little speech demanding they do so, he got an ovation in the HofC from everybody that wasn't a Liberal.

Quote:

I ask simply because they all ware the success of the election, they should all ware the shame of this scandle.

The next government and the one after that will also share the success but shirk the scandal as much as they can. We have a systemic problem. The Liberals just took over the corruption on the Conservatives and the Conservatives will take over the corruption of the Liberals.

The Liberals aren't any more corrupt than anybody else. I'm in no way saying that the Liberals are honest....Keep in mind that Mulroney had cabinet members doing weekends in the crowbar hotel before the end of his first term.

No single party should wear the shame of scandal. We should bloody well stand up and fix what's wrong so that scandal is caught earlier.
 

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