National Child care, a reason to do away with provinces

The battle to have a national child care program further proves that provinces dont care about the country but only about retaining and gaining more power. How about when Trudeau tried to bring the constitution back to Canada? The greedy premiers tried to squash that. Shows how patriotic they are. I honestly think that they should have less power. The more they get, the weaker this country gets.

The battle to have a national child care program further proves that provinces dont care about the country but only about retaining and gaining more power. How about when Trudeau tried to bring the constitution back to Canada? The greedy premiers tried to squash that. Shows how patriotic they are. I honestly think that they should have less power. The more they get, the weaker this country gets.

The battle to have a national child care program further proves that provinces dont care about the country but only about retaining and gaining more power. How about when Trudeau tried to bring the constitution back to Canada? The greedy premiers tried to squash that. Shows how patriotic they are. I honestly think that they should have less power. The more they get, the weaker this country gets.

I seems to be mostly Alberta and Quebec that are raising hell this time. Martin should just impose standards and tell those two provinces that there's no funding for them because they whine too much.

I seems to be mostly Alberta and Quebec that are raising hell this time. Martin should just impose standards and tell those two provinces that there's no funding for them because they whine too much.

I seems to be mostly Alberta and Quebec that are raising hell this time. Martin should just impose standards and tell those two provinces that there's no funding for them because they whine too much.

I agree. Alberta wants funding only for private, for profit child care. Thats no suprise. I'm rooting for Ken Dryden, not only because he was a great golie. He realy cares about kids.

I agree. Alberta wants funding only for private, for profit child care. Thats no suprise. I'm rooting for Ken Dryden, not only because he was a great golie. He realy cares about kids.

I agree. Alberta wants funding only for private, for profit child care. Thats no suprise. I'm rooting for Ken Dryden, not only because he was a great golie. He realy cares about kids.

Gonzo:
Child care program, or day care, along with most other childhood services - like health, social services, elementary, secondary, and post-secondary education - are under provincial jurisdiction.
It is very unlikely, not to say impossible, that any province will relinquish their turf to allow more intrusion in provincial responsibilities by Ottawa.
Quebec has its own child care program in place since 1997 and Ottawa has nothing to do with it (except for telling other provinces to copy our system.)
The Federal Govern. had very little power given by the 1867 Constitution: regulation of trade and commerce , the post office,
the census ,national defense ,employment insurance, money and banking, copyrights , criminal law , citizenship, foreign policy . That's it, nothing more.
Everything else Otawa tries to regulate outside these 10 jurisdictions have been usurped from provincial governments.

Gonzo:
Child care program, or day care, along with most other childhood services - like health, social services, elementary, secondary, and post-secondary education - are under provincial jurisdiction.
It is very unlikely, not to say impossible, that any province will relinquish their turf to allow more intrusion in provincial responsibilities by Ottawa.
Quebec has its own child care program in place since 1997 and Ottawa has nothing to do with it (except for telling other provinces to copy our system.)
The Federal Govern. had very little power given by the 1867 Constitution: regulation of trade and commerce , the post office,
the census ,national defense ,employment insurance, money and banking, copyrights , criminal law , citizenship, foreign policy . That's it, nothing more.
Everything else Otawa tries to regulate outside these 10 jurisdictions have been usurped from provincial governments.

Gonzo:
Child care program, or day care, along with most other childhood services - like health, social services, elementary, secondary, and post-secondary education - are under provincial jurisdiction.
It is very unlikely, not to say impossible, that any province will relinquish their turf to allow more intrusion in provincial responsibilities by Ottawa.
Quebec has its own child care program in place since 1997 and Ottawa has nothing to do with it (except for telling other provinces to copy our system.)
The Federal Govern. had very little power given by the 1867 Constitution: regulation of trade and commerce , the post office,
the census ,national defense ,employment insurance, money and banking, copyrights , criminal law , citizenship, foreign policy . That's it, nothing more.
Everything else Otawa tries to regulate outside these 10 jurisdictions have been usurped from provincial governments.

True. But the provinces always have there hands out for more money from Ottawa. They want the money, but they dont want to be told how to spend it. And I agree, Quebec's system seems to be a good one. But I do think that the federal government should have more power. Because if the federal government is weak and doesn't control anything, whats the point in having a country?

True. But the provinces always have there hands out for more money from Ottawa. They want the money, but they dont want to be told how to spend it. And I agree, Quebec's system seems to be a good one. But I do think that the federal government should have more power. Because if the federal government is weak and doesn't control anything, whats the point in having a country?

True. But the provinces always have there hands out for more money from Ottawa. They want the money, but they dont want to be told how to spend it. And I agree, Quebec's system seems to be a good one. But I do think that the federal government should have more power. Because if the federal government is weak and doesn't control anything, whats the point in having a country?

Given how transient we have become as a culture, anything having to do with education, including early childcare, should be federally regulated.

Kindergarten was just coming in when I was a kid. I went to kindergarten and part of grade 1 in Edmonton. I finished grade 1 in Regina where I went school until grade 4. Then we moved to Ottawa. Then halfway through grade 7 we went back to Regina.

The changes in curriculum were goofy. Ahead in some subjects, behind in others. Either scrambling to catch up or hopelessly bored.

It needs to be federally regulated so when kids move there is some continuity in school.

That goes for childcare too. It needs to be regulated. Standards need to be set. Kids learn massive amounts when they are young and we need to make sure that all the childcare facilities are working to the same standards.

Given how transient we have become as a culture, anything having to do with education, including early childcare, should be federally regulated.

Kindergarten was just coming in when I was a kid. I went to kindergarten and part of grade 1 in Edmonton. I finished grade 1 in Regina where I went school until grade 4. Then we moved to Ottawa. Then halfway through grade 7 we went back to Regina.

The changes in curriculum were goofy. Ahead in some subjects, behind in others. Either scrambling to catch up or hopelessly bored.

It needs to be federally regulated so when kids move there is some continuity in school.

That goes for childcare too. It needs to be regulated. Standards need to be set. Kids learn massive amounts when they are young and we need to make sure that all the childcare facilities are working to the same standards.

Given how transient we have become as a culture, anything having to do with education, including early childcare, should be federally regulated.

Kindergarten was just coming in when I was a kid. I went to kindergarten and part of grade 1 in Edmonton. I finished grade 1 in Regina where I went school until grade 4. Then we moved to Ottawa. Then halfway through grade 7 we went back to Regina.

The changes in curriculum were goofy. Ahead in some subjects, behind in others. Either scrambling to catch up or hopelessly bored.

It needs to be federally regulated so when kids move there is some continuity in school.

That goes for childcare too. It needs to be regulated. Standards need to be set. Kids learn massive amounts when they are young and we need to make sure that all the childcare facilities are working to the same standards.

i agree, RB

my husband also moved around as a child...army brat...bc, alberta and new brunswick. he describes exactly the same problems as you encountered, as well as problems associated with different high school systems.
he went from one high school that was on the year long schedule and went to a high school that had the semester program in effect. he lost almost a whole year of school in some classes in grade 11.

the best system would be a mixture of federal and provincial. federal to oversee general regulations...so the country is in tune with each other. provincial so that the govt could fine tune the curriculam to match it's particular needs.

and day care is a must.
the danes (which is under federal) actually have started paying a parent to stay at home with their children.
daycare costs were so expensive to the government...because there they have free daycare for working parents...that it was actually cheaper to have a parent stay at home.

i want to move to denmark.

i agree, RB

my husband also moved around as a child...army brat...bc, alberta and new brunswick. he describes exactly the same problems as you encountered, as well as problems associated with different high school systems.
he went from one high school that was on the year long schedule and went to a high school that had the semester program in effect. he lost almost a whole year of school in some classes in grade 11.

the best system would be a mixture of federal and provincial. federal to oversee general regulations...so the country is in tune with each other. provincial so that the govt could fine tune the curriculam to match it's particular needs.

and day care is a must.
the danes (which is under federal) actually have started paying a parent to stay at home with their children.
daycare costs were so expensive to the government...because there they have free daycare for working parents...that it was actually cheaper to have a parent stay at home.

i want to move to denmark.

i agree, RB

my husband also moved around as a child...army brat...bc, alberta and new brunswick. he describes exactly the same problems as you encountered, as well as problems associated with different high school systems.
he went from one high school that was on the year long schedule and went to a high school that had the semester program in effect. he lost almost a whole year of school in some classes in grade 11.

the best system would be a mixture of federal and provincial. federal to oversee general regulations...so the country is in tune with each other. provincial so that the govt could fine tune the curriculam to match it's particular needs.

and day care is a must.
the danes (which is under federal) actually have started paying a parent to stay at home with their children.
daycare costs were so expensive to the government...because there they have free daycare for working parents...that it was actually cheaper to have a parent stay at home.

i want to move to denmark.

Yes this is provincial territory and the provinces have the right to opt out. But this should be handled as Merryclaire describes. No province should be getting money from the feds without "strings attached". This would be irresponsible on the part of the feds.

I also think that the feds should be taking a little more from the provinces such as health care and the environment.

I saw on one news report that this is one of the groups opposing the program. I think that we sometimes see these reports on how much more advanced children are by taking them to day care, starting thier education earlier etc. and we sometimes forget about some of the other important things like having a relationship with our children. I've changed careers to be able to be with my kids more, and Mrs Passpatoo is a stay at home mom starting up a small business out of our home now that our youngest is starting school. Maybe we were being greedy but we just felt that it was more important to be with our kids rather than give them that "head start" on thier education (and we place a very high level of importance on education). This isn't to say that I'm against National Child-care Program, quite the opposite. But perhaps we should be looking at what the Dutch are doing and consider incorporating that along with what is being proposed.

Yes this is provincial territory and the provinces have the right to opt out. But this should be handled as Merryclaire describes. No province should be getting money from the feds without "strings attached". This would be irresponsible on the part of the feds.

I also think that the feds should be taking a little more from the provinces such as health care and the environment.

I saw on one news report that this is one of the groups opposing the program. I think that we sometimes see these reports on how much more advanced children are by taking them to day care, starting thier education earlier etc. and we sometimes forget about some of the other important things like having a relationship with our children. I've changed careers to be able to be with my kids more, and Mrs Passpatoo is a stay at home mom starting up a small business out of our home now that our youngest is starting school. Maybe we were being greedy but we just felt that it was more important to be with our kids rather than give them that "head start" on thier education (and we place a very high level of importance on education). This isn't to say that I'm against National Child-care Program, quite the opposite. But perhaps we should be looking at what the Dutch are doing and consider incorporating that along with what is being proposed.

Yes this is provincial territory and the provinces have the right to opt out. But this should be handled as Merryclaire describes. No province should be getting money from the feds without "strings attached". This would be irresponsible on the part of the feds.

I also think that the feds should be taking a little more from the provinces such as health care and the environment.

I saw on one news report that this is one of the groups opposing the program. I think that we sometimes see these reports on how much more advanced children are by taking them to day care, starting thier education earlier etc. and we sometimes forget about some of the other important things like having a relationship with our children. I've changed careers to be able to be with my kids more, and Mrs Passpatoo is a stay at home mom starting up a small business out of our home now that our youngest is starting school. Maybe we were being greedy but we just felt that it was more important to be with our kids rather than give them that "head start" on thier education (and we place a very high level of importance on education). This isn't to say that I'm against National Child-care Program, quite the opposite. But perhaps we should be looking at what the Dutch are doing and consider incorporating that along with what is being proposed.

Hey! Reverend Blair

You wrote:
Kids learn massive amounts when they are young and we need to make sure that all the childcare facilities are working to the same standards.

One time I had a job where I serviced both "private" and "public" daycare centres in Toronto.
I got to see both sides of the street, so to speak.

Let me tell yuh .... you should see what a private centre is like and where they charge 1000 bucks a month "minimum" per child.
It was such a "learning" place. They had everything you could imagine. Plus, they had outings to the science centre or the zoo.
I used to get so angry when going there because I resented what the rich folks had and was so jealous with the headstart their children were getting in relation to the other 99% of Canadians.

Maybe, the only reason they are bringing in government funding for DayCare is because the government knows full well that Mom-Dad (and any kid over 14) will need three jobs to pay the rent in 2020.
Maybe the government looks at it like "Day Storage" and not Day Care so that the rest of the family can work!

Calm

Hey! Reverend Blair

You wrote:
Kids learn massive amounts when they are young and we need to make sure that all the childcare facilities are working to the same standards.

One time I had a job where I serviced both "private" and "public" daycare centres in Toronto.
I got to see both sides of the street, so to speak.

Let me tell yuh .... you should see what a private centre is like and where they charge 1000 bucks a month "minimum" per child.
It was such a "learning" place. They had everything you could imagine. Plus, they had outings to the science centre or the zoo.
I used to get so angry when going there because I resented what the rich folks had and was so jealous with the headstart their children were getting in relation to the other 99% of Canadians.

Maybe, the only reason they are bringing in government funding for DayCare is because the government knows full well that Mom-Dad (and any kid over 14) will need three jobs to pay the rent in 2020.
Maybe the government looks at it like "Day Storage" and not Day Care so that the rest of the family can work!

Calm

Hey! Reverend Blair

You wrote:
Kids learn massive amounts when they are young and we need to make sure that all the childcare facilities are working to the same standards.

One time I had a job where I serviced both "private" and "public" daycare centres in Toronto.
I got to see both sides of the street, so to speak.

Let me tell yuh .... you should see what a private centre is like and where they charge 1000 bucks a month "minimum" per child.
It was such a "learning" place. They had everything you could imagine. Plus, they had outings to the science centre or the zoo.
I used to get so angry when going there because I resented what the rich folks had and was so jealous with the headstart their children were getting in relation to the other 99% of Canadians.

Maybe, the only reason they are bringing in government funding for DayCare is because the government knows full well that Mom-Dad (and any kid over 14) will need three jobs to pay the rent in 2020.
Maybe the government looks at it like "Day Storage" and not Day Care so that the rest of the family can work!

Calm

It's funny...we say everybody is equal, but the inequalities of education start with daycare and continue all the way through to fewer and fewer people being able to afford university.

It's funny...we say everybody is equal, but the inequalities of education start with daycare and continue all the way through to fewer and fewer people being able to afford university.

It's funny...we say everybody is equal, but the inequalities of education start with daycare and continue all the way through to fewer and fewer people being able to afford university.