National Child care, a reason to do away with provinces

The battle to have a national child care program further proves that provinces don’t care about the country but only about retaining and gaining more power.

The Federal Govern. had very little power given by the 1867 Constitution: regulation of trade and commerce , the post office,
the census ,national defense ,employment insurance, money and banking, copyrights , criminal law , citizenship, foreign policy . That's it, nothing more.

True. But the provinces always have their hands out for more money from Ottawa. They want the money, but they dont want to be told how to spend it. And I agree, Quebec's system seems to be a good one. But I do think that the federal government should have more power. Because if the federal government is weak and doesn't control anything, whats the point in having a country?

whats the point in having a country?

It's funny...we say everybody is equal, but the inequalities of education start with daycare and continue all the way through to fewer and fewer people being able to afford university.

It needs to be federally regulated so when kids move there is some continuity in school.

Kindergarten was just coming in when I was a kid. I went to kindergarten and part of grade 1 in Edmonton. I finished grade 1 in Regina where I went school until grade 4. Then we moved to Ottawa. Then halfway through grade 7 we went back to Regina.

It is the Canadian government who further proves it doesn’t care about the country when it cares more about meddling about in provincial affairs.

Correct me if I’m wrong; the provinces do not meddle in the constitutional affairs of the Federal Government.

In this part of the woods, it’s to bring around a union of states.

Regardless, these are provincial issues.

This isn’t a big enough reason for the feds to join in.

My wife’s a teacher; her job is to teach kids. If there are special needs for her students, she accommodates them. So do guidance departments.

I’m simply saying this is no justification. We expect differences.

These are provinces we are dealing with, not one great big one called Canada in the united federation of word states run by the non elected UN and serves the USA or whoever it pleases.

You don’t seem to be much worst for the wear.

The issue is about power and why does the federal government want to have provincial powers. It isn’t about childcare.

I also say the people who try to centralize this nation are trying to destroy it.

You should argue facts instead of emotionally-based diatribes, Jay.

It's just the neo-conservative radical right who are afraid that if their kids get educated they might learn not to hate gays and understand that people didn't have pet dinosaurs.

If I say anything in the slightest in opposition to your communism

Vanni can say some of the most ridiculous untrue stuff, and you never comment on it; it slides by.

I think that really this site shouldn’t be called Canadian Content, it should be Leftist Content.

No right wing thinker is treated with any amount of respect around here.

I’m sure there are right wing thinkers out there who wouldn’t dare dream of speaking there mind around here, they would move on, or realize it isn't a well rounded Canadian site.

I’m thick skinned, so I can take a lot of it, but the things that concern me and I want to discuss, like provincial powers etc, are deemed by you to be…

I think you should maybe go out and meet some of us right wingers Rev.

Maybe you can’t do that in Manitoba, maybe there isn’t anything but communists out there in the big wheat field,

First things first...don't start calling people communists unless you want to be known as nazi-boy. You know nothing about the left and you have given no indication of an inclination to learn.

Really? What has he said? What was the context? Can you supply links? If it was so offensive to you then why didn't you hit the "Report" button at the bottom of the post.

That is where the line is drawn. It is not, nor has it ever been, a criminal offense to engage in homosexual activity.


You are so wrong it's unbelievable that you're still even trying to debate this...


Those laws that I quoted were from the Criminal Code of Canada and the issue is that those relationships you have been spouting off about are criminal offences with commensurate jail terms for violations


Thanks for the post Jay, I stand corrected, and any further posts on this topic will read "Not in my lifetime has homosexuality been illegal"...

If nobody answers challenges Observer's lies, then he is free to tell them. That's where that bigotry that caused the show in your link to be cut comes from.

I for one am offended by your naivete, and seemingly willful ignorance... I think you should do more research, and less blathering...the truth is often not written in the history books,

Nonsense. It has members from all across the political spectrum. You are just not very happy about being spoken back to.

On the contrary, most have been given far more respect than they've earned.

most Canadians float around the centre of political spectrum

In the next paragraph I clearly attributed your particular stance to personal greed.

Um, I grew up in Saskatchewan, I live in Manitoba. About half of each province is conservative. Most of them aren't quite as radical as you (a lot of stances are similar to anachists, actually), but believe me...I speak to conservatives all of the time.

there's a display of geographic and cultural ignorance that I've only seen matched by the dullest pedants of the radical right.

Ya. It’s really hard to pin NAZI on me because I’m not a socialist.

You haven’t offered me anything indicating I should think in the mindset of a lefty. In reality you’re pretty radical, and I think you know that.

The first questions are answered here-ish.

nd you weren’t much help. Later on, and in the same thread you said,

Quote:
If nobody answers challenges Observer's lies, then he is free to tell them. That's where that bigotry that caused the show in your link to be cut comes from.

So it’s not as if your not in the business. And you seem to know a lot about the issues at stake, but you didn’t know Vanni was way out on a rather sensitive particular in this topic.
Surprisingly, no one did, that surprised me with this cliental.

I don’t mind feed back.

And I’m not convinced you belong to this group.

My personal greed as opposed to your greed; which extends far beyond personal.

Something tells me though conservative politics can play out differently in different provinces, and I don’t want to hear from your conservatives about my provincial matters.

It is the Canadian government that is trying to ensure that all Canadians have access to equal services.

You're wrong. Every single time a constitutional issue comes up, the provinces are there yelling and screaming. Raplh Klein is likely the worst.

So are you saying you're an American, JJ? That would explain the regressive political stances, I guess.

Apparently not, since we are talking about a national system.

It sure as hell is. People didn’t move nearly as often or as far when I was a kid as they do now.

Is your wife a kid who moves a lot? No? Then you don't understand the problem.

It is exactly about childcare. It's just the neo-conservative radical right who are afraid that if their kids get educated they might learn not to hate gays and understand that people didn't have pet dinosaurs.

Actually it's even simpler than that isn't it, JJ? It's about you being afraid that somebody might take thirty cents of your money to make sure that your neighbor’s kid gets the same opportunity as your kid.

I say it's the greedhogs who live in perpetual fear that somebody might actually get out from under their cloven hooves long enough to look around and ask questions that are destroying this country.

It's pretty clear, in spite of the word socialist in their name, that the Nazis were fascists.

I'm further to left than a lot of people, but far from radical. This is further evidence that you know little or nothing of the left.

Gee, I see Vanni apologizing for making a mistake and promising to make the appropriate adjustments.

I did say that. I'll say it again too. Read his posts...he's here because he hates Canada and he freely admits that.

Am I supposed to fact check every post? I don't think Andem can afford a full-time fact checker...I charge a fair bit for that kind of work..

No, then why do you take it badly?

I never claimed to belong to that group. I am, however, much closer to it than you are and actually look into the policies to see if I agree with them or not.

Nah, I like to share stuff.

Why not? Yours are certainly never shy about yarkin' about Manitoba's provincial matters...no matter who is in power.

You've dragged this whole thing off topic though, JJ. I guess that's because you realized that there isn't a lot of support for your position.

Would you like us to start a thread for your attacks on the moderators? It might help you to stay on topic.

At what cost? The cost of doing away with the provinces. I'm a citizen of Ontario, before I'm a citizen of Canada.

What kind of a response is that to my statement?

If I am then so is Stephan Dion as he said on CBC radio yesterday that Canada was a federation of provinces. And that is extremely close to saying a "union of states"
Ontario for all intents and proposes is a state. It is in another state called Canada.

You may talk about it, that’s fine, but do so with the understanding that these are provincial matters.
And this thread is named National Child care, a reason to do away with provinces.

We are talking about day care. One mention of the feds getting involved in daycare, and you've got them running education in all of Canada, because some kids move around.

I did however ask my wife about kids who move around the country, and the problems they face. She says there aren’t any problems really; you just have to accommodate them, along with guidance.

As we all know I live in Ontario. I moved from one board of education to the other and found differences in education, by moving across a river, let alone the country.

Our kids, the radical right's that is, are educated, and then they go out and get jobs and fund socialist systems.

You see radical right wingers don't send their kids to your socialist schools so the left can preach their peace, love and all corporations are bad all day.

We do it because after the end of the day we pay for those schools through high taxes, so we can't send our kids to the schools we want.

Schools are there to teach facts

It’s about hearts and minds isn’t it?

And if these socialist schools are so great, why are so many kids failing and being given riddlen and such. Public schools suck, oh well. We learn to live with them. Education in Ontario goes to hell, while the teacher’s pays get larger and larger, and larger.

If I was complaining about someone taking my thirty cents you would have a point, but it isn't thirty cents is it Rev? No its way greater than that. It may have started out with thirty cents, but when you start to bleed someone to death it starts with a drop of blood and ends up with a bloodless corps.

We need taxes. It’s a fact. Do we need to pay up and over 50% of our hard earned dollars to tax? NO

Yes one of us has gotten out from under the cloven hooves of the pig called socialism and looked around and realized its a farce, and it wasn't something they taught me in the socialist school system either, just like my rights weren’t taught to me there either, or politics or Canadian history…

Socialism: a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
2: an economic system based on state ownership of capital

I would love to learn more about this left, but I believe the above dictionary quotes sum it up.

Yes he did. He was also chewing poor tibear out over it. Not good.

I know what he says. I just was using your post to demonstrate something.

That’s not my point Dear. My point is I believe you saw it and knew better; your just on vanni's side, and didn't step in to let him know the error of his ways. I think you like to see vanni chew out Tibear, and aren’t interested in vanni truths or his BS.

Sure you are.

I'm arguing points of law, and who in Canadian politics concerns themselves with that, and if anyone does, their radicals.

I also haven't seen to many policies from the left that are palatable at the moment. I beg them to convince me though.

So do I. And I won't just take your stuff either. Taxation isn't charity though, and when those little kids come to the door I buy their cookies, and we support MADD and Diabetes etc.

I didn't know this. You could be right. I don't pay to much attention to Manitoba’s politics. I do know they tend to be more left though.

No that’s not why I did that. I did it to mention how I feel about things. This thread demonstrated a good place to do it. People ramble off topic all the time around here.

I actually didn't know you or peapod where moderators around here till very recently. If you wish to start a new thread, be my guest.

Amazing, it almost sounds like you accept my idea as viable. I do want standards, just not national.

People send their kids to Catholic schools, and I doubt they teach them the human race is 6000 years old ( we all know it's at least 7000)

Science and lit won't be abused, all the greats in Lit and the writers of Western Cannon are written by Christians anyways (almost). You shouldn't fear us so.

Children need socialization as everyone does, but you can't tell parents they can't home school their children.

Why don't you believe Humans have dominion over animals?

A lot teachers when I was in school would contradict what we were taught in science class. That was in Catholic school after the Pope had given evolution his official Okey Dokey. It was confusing and uncalled for, but at least because of the educational standards we were taught evolution too and the teachers never contradicted it during science class.

What happens in Christian schools where their leader hasn't okayed evolutionary theory? How many teachers will stand up in science class and say stupid things like, "This is only a theory," and gloss over the massive amount of evidence that supports it?

It's the Christian right that is known for burning books on this continent, Jay. Darwin, Steinback, Shakespeare, Sagan. They've after The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and A Brief History of Time. It isn't fear, it's experience.

Because scientific and historic fact shows us that the environment is a web and if we pull too many strings out of it the web collapses. If we have dominion over the earth and the animals (and plants) on it, then that wouldn't happen. The biblical tenet that gives us dominion has failed peer review.