P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligations

[Karlin]

Canadians are willing to reduce personal emissions by "5 megatones" as the promo TV spot,with funnyman Rick Mercer, says.
So we would expect the really big polluters to do something too.

Our leader Paul Martin shows his siding with big industry instead of ordinary Canadainas though - he says the biggest pollutors cannot possibly meet the 55-megatonne reductions , so let them "do whatever they can". 37 is fine, or none if its a problem, than you for listening...

The opposition show they are the other side of the same coin - Bob Mills says: "See? We told you Kyoto was a bad idea". Thats it for opposition answers to global warming, in spite of disaterous weather and climate change wreaking havoc.

Allways put it on the backs of regular people, let the biggest wealthiest and most powerfull off the hook. Its rigged to increase the inequality of wealth and power in Canada, the world - by both Canada's main parties [NDP stands alone in being onside with the people].

John Efford is the industry minister. He comes from big industry, specially planted into politics to do this henchman job for the big industries. It is highly suspicious that someone earning the huge rewards of big business would come down to being a minister or an MP [he was gauranteed minsiter jobs I bet], unless the top dogs "appointed" him to do this running rough shod over Canadian's most important issues. Hatchet man for avoiding Kyoto, and for forestry practises.

It is interesting that CLIMATE CHANGE is contributing to the LANDSLIDES with severe rainfall episodes on CLEARCUT areas of B.C., his home province. That combination of forestry industry practises and non-regulation of emissions from other big industries [avoiding Kyoto] are both under Efford's pervue, and he is willingly ignoring them both!!

Karlin

 

[Karlin]

Canadians are willing to reduce personal emissions by "5 megatones" as the promo TV spot,with funnyman Rick Mercer, says.
So we would expect the really big polluters to do something too.

Our leader Paul Martin shows his siding with big industry instead of ordinary Canadainas though - he says the biggest pollutors cannot possibly meet the 55-megatonne reductions , so let them "do whatever they can". 37 is fine, or none if its a problem, than you for listening...

The opposition show they are the other side of the same coin - Bob Mills says: "See? We told you Kyoto was a bad idea". Thats it for opposition answers to global warming, in spite of disaterous weather and climate change wreaking havoc.

Allways put it on the backs of regular people, let the biggest wealthiest and most powerfull off the hook. Its rigged to increase the inequality of wealth and power in Canada, the world - by both Canada's main parties [NDP stands alone in being onside with the people].

John Efford is the industry minister. He comes from big industry, specially planted into politics to do this henchman job for the big industries. It is highly suspicious that someone earning the huge rewards of big business would come down to being a minister or an MP [he was gauranteed minsiter jobs I bet], unless the top dogs "appointed" him to do this running rough shod over Canadian's most important issues. Hatchet man for avoiding Kyoto, and for forestry practises.

It is interesting that CLIMATE CHANGE is contributing to the LANDSLIDES with severe rainfall episodes on CLEARCUT areas of B.C., his home province. That combination of forestry industry practises and non-regulation of emissions from other big industries [avoiding Kyoto] are both under Efford's pervue, and he is willingly ignoring them both!!

Karlin

 

[Karlin]

Canadians are willing to reduce personal emissions by "5 megatones" as the promo TV spot,with funnyman Rick Mercer, says.
So we would expect the really big polluters to do something too.

Our leader Paul Martin shows his siding with big industry instead of ordinary Canadainas though - he says the biggest pollutors cannot possibly meet the 55-megatonne reductions , so let them "do whatever they can". 37 is fine, or none if its a problem, than you for listening...

The opposition show they are the other side of the same coin - Bob Mills says: "See? We told you Kyoto was a bad idea". Thats it for opposition answers to global warming, in spite of disaterous weather and climate change wreaking havoc.

Allways put it on the backs of regular people, let the biggest wealthiest and most powerfull off the hook. Its rigged to increase the inequality of wealth and power in Canada, the world - by both Canada's main parties [NDP stands alone in being onside with the people].

John Efford is the industry minister. He comes from big industry, specially planted into politics to do this henchman job for the big industries. It is highly suspicious that someone earning the huge rewards of big business would come down to being a minister or an MP [he was gauranteed minsiter jobs I bet], unless the top dogs "appointed" him to do this running rough shod over Canadian's most important issues. Hatchet man for avoiding Kyoto, and for forestry practises.

It is interesting that CLIMATE CHANGE is contributing to the LANDSLIDES with severe rainfall episodes on CLEARCUT areas of B.C., his home province. That combination of forestry industry practises and non-regulation of emissions from other big industries [avoiding Kyoto] are both under Efford's pervue, and he is willingly ignoring them both!!

Karlin

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: P.M. Martin - letting

It isn't just Efford. Martin is a corporate hack too. The right side of the Liberal Party is full of such bozos. Martin just appointed Frank McKenna as ambassador to the US. McKenna has ties to the Carlyle Group and the Bush family. No word on whether he gets free kneepads with the gig or has to supply his own.

The list just goes on and on. We're sitting watching the arctic melt; the glaciers are disappearing from the Rockies; global warming is thought to be at least a partial cause of recent prairie droughts and BC forest fires; and all these morons can do is worry about money.

Here's a clue though...without an environment we won't have any god damned money. Martin doesn't care, he'll be dead by then.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: P.M. Martin - letting

It isn't just Efford. Martin is a corporate hack too. The right side of the Liberal Party is full of such bozos. Martin just appointed Frank McKenna as ambassador to the US. McKenna has ties to the Carlyle Group and the Bush family. No word on whether he gets free kneepads with the gig or has to supply his own.

The list just goes on and on. We're sitting watching the arctic melt; the glaciers are disappearing from the Rockies; global warming is thought to be at least a partial cause of recent prairie droughts and BC forest fires; and all these morons can do is worry about money.

Here's a clue though...without an environment we won't have any god damned money. Martin doesn't care, he'll be dead by then.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: P.M. Martin - letting

It isn't just Efford. Martin is a corporate hack too. The right side of the Liberal Party is full of such bozos. Martin just appointed Frank McKenna as ambassador to the US. McKenna has ties to the Carlyle Group and the Bush family. No word on whether he gets free kneepads with the gig or has to supply his own.

The list just goes on and on. We're sitting watching the arctic melt; the glaciers are disappearing from the Rockies; global warming is thought to be at least a partial cause of recent prairie droughts and BC forest fires; and all these morons can do is worry about money.

Here's a clue though...without an environment we won't have any god damned money. Martin doesn't care, he'll be dead by then.

 

[Jay]

RE: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

 

[Jay]

RE: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

 

[Jay]

RE: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

 

[Mooseskin Johnny]

Re: RE: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obliga

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

Quite right, Jay. There are other factors in the mix. However, none of that excuses poluting the planet. Maybe the planet is warming by itself on a natural cycle, but we are making it worse. And we are spreading poison everywhere. Kyoto is just the first step. We have to control ourselves far beyond Kyoto to reduce our impact on the environment.

Thirty years ago, the rule of thumb was that we need to plant enough trees to cover an area the size of Australia in order to clean up the air. It's easily double that now.

It's no good catering to industry if the end result will be a planet too poisonous to live on.

 

[Mooseskin Johnny]

Re: RE: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obliga

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

Quite right, Jay. There are other factors in the mix. However, none of that excuses poluting the planet. Maybe the planet is warming by itself on a natural cycle, but we are making it worse. And we are spreading poison everywhere. Kyoto is just the first step. We have to control ourselves far beyond Kyoto to reduce our impact on the environment.

Thirty years ago, the rule of thumb was that we need to plant enough trees to cover an area the size of Australia in order to clean up the air. It's easily double that now.

It's no good catering to industry if the end result will be a planet too poisonous to live on.

 

[Mooseskin Johnny]

Re: RE: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obliga

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

Quite right, Jay. There are other factors in the mix. However, none of that excuses poluting the planet. Maybe the planet is warming by itself on a natural cycle, but we are making it worse. And we are spreading poison everywhere. Kyoto is just the first step. We have to control ourselves far beyond Kyoto to reduce our impact on the environment.

Thirty years ago, the rule of thumb was that we need to plant enough trees to cover an area the size of Australia in order to clean up the air. It's easily double that now.

It's no good catering to industry if the end result will be a planet too poisonous to live on.

 

[peapod]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

Martin is not the only one, we got a smog monster right here in british columbia...check out the nice report card.

http://bcfacts.org/

 

[peapod]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

Martin is not the only one, we got a smog monster right here in british columbia...check out the nice report card.

http://bcfacts.org/

 

[peapod]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

Martin is not the only one, we got a smog monster right here in british columbia...check out the nice report card.

http://bcfacts.org/

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

No serious scientist writes off global warming theory anymore, Jay. Those that do have been shown time and again to have ties to the fossil fuel industry. The vast majority of them come out of the United States where there is a strong political motivation to deny global warming. Even with the political and economic motivations there are still only a tiny percentage of scientists that doubt overall global warming theory.

The fact is that we are seeing a warming trend that is happening so quickly that species do not have time to adapt. There are examples of this in the fossil record as well, but they correspond to natural disasters that would have caused the warming. What we see in the fossil record is mass extinctions, especially of higher life forms.

In this case we are the variable. There have been no comets hitting the planet or massive and sustained volcanic events. There have been no continent-consuming fires. We are also the dominant higher life form. As such humans can expect to suffer greatly, up to and including possible extinction.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

No serious scientist writes off global warming theory anymore, Jay. Those that do have been shown time and again to have ties to the fossil fuel industry. The vast majority of them come out of the United States where there is a strong political motivation to deny global warming. Even with the political and economic motivations there are still only a tiny percentage of scientists that doubt overall global warming theory.

The fact is that we are seeing a warming trend that is happening so quickly that species do not have time to adapt. There are examples of this in the fossil record as well, but they correspond to natural disasters that would have caused the warming. What we see in the fossil record is mass extinctions, especially of higher life forms.

In this case we are the variable. There have been no comets hitting the planet or massive and sustained volcanic events. There have been no continent-consuming fires. We are also the dominant higher life form. As such humans can expect to suffer greatly, up to and including possible extinction.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

When ever I hear about global warming it is often suggested that the wolrd hasn't been this warm since a thousand years ago. I wonder what civilisation was producing the C02 back then to cause global warming?
Mabey, just maybe, something else is happening too?

No serious scientist writes off global warming theory anymore, Jay. Those that do have been shown time and again to have ties to the fossil fuel industry. The vast majority of them come out of the United States where there is a strong political motivation to deny global warming. Even with the political and economic motivations there are still only a tiny percentage of scientists that doubt overall global warming theory.

The fact is that we are seeing a warming trend that is happening so quickly that species do not have time to adapt. There are examples of this in the fossil record as well, but they correspond to natural disasters that would have caused the warming. What we see in the fossil record is mass extinctions, especially of higher life forms.

In this case we are the variable. There have been no comets hitting the planet or massive and sustained volcanic events. There have been no continent-consuming fires. We are also the dominant higher life form. As such humans can expect to suffer greatly, up to and including possible extinction.

 

[Mooseskin Johnny]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

. . . . humans can expect to suffer greatly, up to and including possible extinction.

And, you know what? Nature won't care.

 

[Mooseskin Johnny]

Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation

. . . . humans can expect to suffer greatly, up to and including possible extinction.

And, you know what? Nature won't care.