#1Dec 7th, 2004
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Conservative
#2
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 7th, 2004
You know what really bugs me about this? We did need gun control. We still need gun control because it's clear that this registry only affects legal owners. It was clear that some sort of program was coming the day after the shootings at l'ecole Polytechnique.
Instead of gun owners and the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives working with the Liberals to address the very real problems while maintaining some sanity, the gun lobby ranted and raved and pretended that nothing needed to be done. They shipped Chuck Heston up here to tell us our rights under the US Constitution. They put Ted Nugent back in the public eye to yark his blood-thirsty riffs.
Instead of acting like grown-ups and going to the Liberals and saying, "Look, we recognise that there's a problem so let's figure out how to deal with it," they stood there stamping their feet and yelling and screaming. In the end a bunch of people who really don't understand the difference between a single-shot .22 and an AK-47 brought in a law and a gun registry.
Because neither they nor their constituents understand guns we ended up with something that costs a lot of money and makes life hard for responsible people without addressing the real problem.
The Liberals were listening too. They listened to the NDP and Liberal back-benchers and made adjustments for the native communities. Mostly though, they listened to pressure groups from urban areas. Maybe if some conservatives would have shown up with a realistic alternative we wouldn't be spending billions on nothing.
Instead of gun owners and the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives working with the Liberals to address the very real problems while maintaining some sanity, the gun lobby ranted and raved and pretended that nothing needed to be done. They shipped Chuck Heston up here to tell us our rights under the US Constitution. They put Ted Nugent back in the public eye to yark his blood-thirsty riffs.
Instead of acting like grown-ups and going to the Liberals and saying, "Look, we recognise that there's a problem so let's figure out how to deal with it," they stood there stamping their feet and yelling and screaming. In the end a bunch of people who really don't understand the difference between a single-shot .22 and an AK-47 brought in a law and a gun registry.
Because neither they nor their constituents understand guns we ended up with something that costs a lot of money and makes life hard for responsible people without addressing the real problem.
The Liberals were listening too. They listened to the NDP and Liberal back-benchers and made adjustments for the native communities. Mostly though, they listened to pressure groups from urban areas. Maybe if some conservatives would have shown up with a realistic alternative we wouldn't be spending billions on nothing.
#3
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 7th, 2004
Canadians are by far extreme and beyond and totally off the wall too Schizo and triggerhappy to be trusted with guns. Canadians don't just shoot to kill..... they shoot to EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Canadians are always happy to greet tourists, because well.... not only are they rich but they are also a popular canadian dish!!!!
Beware of the Canadian chef by the way, especially when he gives that odd smiling and licking his lips when looking at you. As canadians usually find non-canadians very.. delicious. Just REMEMBER THAT HE IS CANADIAN and you will be fine. If you are a visitor, don't let them find out that you are not a canadian.
Canadians are always happy to greet tourists, because well.... not only are they rich but they are also a popular canadian dish!!!!
Beware of the Canadian chef by the way, especially when he gives that odd smiling and licking his lips when looking at you. As canadians usually find non-canadians very.. delicious. Just REMEMBER THAT HE IS CANADIAN and you will be fine. If you are a visitor, don't let them find out that you are not a canadian.
#4
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 7th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Giraldi_Theirrey
if we are so trigger happy why dont we have as many deaths per pop as the US?Canadians are by far extreme and beyond and totally off the wall too Schizo and triggerhappy to be trusted with guns. Canadians don't just shoot to kill..... they shoot to EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and most canadians to my best knowledge are not insane
Conservative
#5
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 7th, 2004
The simplest solution to the "Gun Problem" would have been to only allow ammo to be sold by special licenses, and one would need a new license every time .
Conservative
#7
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 7th, 2004
No one would want to eat an American anyway-way too much fat in their systems.
#9
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
Your answer is in the question, Rev, law abiding gun owners will abide by the law. In the States, harsh sentences are being handed out for gun ctrimes with sentences doubled or tripled for the use of a firearm in a crime! Possession of a gun by a felon is automatically 10 yrs in jail! (Just enforce the law!) What do you think?You know what really bugs me about this? We did need gun control. We still need gun control because it's clear that this registry only affects legal owners. It was clear that some sort of program was coming the day after the shootings at l'ecole Polytechnique.
In the end a bunch of people who really don't understand the difference between a single-shot .22 and an AK-47 brought in a law and a gun registry.
Because neither they nor their constituents understand guns we ended up with something that costs a lot of money and makes life hard for responsible people without addressing the real problem.
The Liberals were listening too. They listened to the NDP and Liberal back-benchers and made adjustments for the native communities. Mostly though, they listened to pressure groups from urban areas. Maybe if some conservatives would have shown up with a realistic alternative we wouldn't be spending billions on nothing.
#10
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by missile
Don't you have show your licence at time of purchase! IDs are checked here in the States and still unable to stop the flow of Bullets, criminals will pay the Blackmarket and get what they want.The simplest solution to the "Gun Problem" would have been to only allow ammo to be sold by special licenses, and one would need a new license every time .
#11
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004
I can't, for the life of me, understand why the gun registry is so complicated and unpopular.
Every Province has a system in place to register cars. Why can't the same stupid system be used for guns? And why is registering a gun so much more of an issue than registering a car?
Why, why, why?
Every Province has a system in place to register cars. Why can't the same stupid system be used for guns? And why is registering a gun so much more of an issue than registering a car?
Why, why, why?
Free Thinker
#12
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004
I don't think a gun registry would be at all effective, Rev. It's a good idea on paper, but in reality guns will always make their way into the wrong hands. They get shipped here via the border without getting caught, there are rings across the cities which distribute firearms, you can see that in so many news stories featured here atleast.
I think what we need is tighter laws and better enforcement in stopping the people who get their hands on firearms. Tighter border security for one.
I think what we need is tighter laws and better enforcement in stopping the people who get their hands on firearms. Tighter border security for one.
#13
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004
If we get rid of guns .... so what?
People who want to threaten or harm other folks will just use another weapon.
A really good weapon would be a capacitor out of an air-conditioner. A capacitor stores electricity.
Zip .... Your toast!
Trying to rid ourselves of guns is like trying to ban poisons.
Calm
People who want to threaten or harm other folks will just use another weapon.
A really good weapon would be a capacitor out of an air-conditioner. A capacitor stores electricity.
Zip .... Your toast!
Trying to rid ourselves of guns is like trying to ban poisons.
Calm
#14
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004
I agree with charles heston, and if you have any doubts, go back to his famous movie planet of the apes. Its all there. A armed simian is a good simian.
#15
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004
I'm not saying that the registry could be made to work, Andem. I'm saying that the people who are so dead-set against it never got involved until it was too late and now all they do is bitch and complain. It's too late and it's their own damned fault.
The Liberals were listening before they drafted this bill. All they heard from gun owners is that no legislation would be acceptable. No ideas, no real proposals...just a, "NO!" Meanwhile the majority of Canadians were demanding something be done. The registry gives the apearance of that even if it isn't effective.
Increased sentencing hasn't made much of a difference in the states and, because access is so open in some states, state laws limiting ownership and requiring licensing are ineffective. Gun control in the US will never work until they change the second amendment.
We live in a different country though. If we want to limit guns coming in we can. Gun oil has a particular scent. So does gun powder. We can tighten up the borders. We won't get them all, but we can push the price up so that every wannabe gang member in the country doesn't have one.
That has "trade implications" though. So does leaning on the US to get their problem under control. So does dealing with the social problems that lead to gun violence.
The Liberals were listening before they drafted this bill. All they heard from gun owners is that no legislation would be acceptable. No ideas, no real proposals...just a, "NO!" Meanwhile the majority of Canadians were demanding something be done. The registry gives the apearance of that even if it isn't effective.
Increased sentencing hasn't made much of a difference in the states and, because access is so open in some states, state laws limiting ownership and requiring licensing are ineffective. Gun control in the US will never work until they change the second amendment.
We live in a different country though. If we want to limit guns coming in we can. Gun oil has a particular scent. So does gun powder. We can tighten up the borders. We won't get them all, but we can push the price up so that every wannabe gang member in the country doesn't have one.
That has "trade implications" though. So does leaning on the US to get their problem under control. So does dealing with the social problems that lead to gun violence.
#16
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004
Hey! Reverend Blair
When was the last time you got a job after refusing to give your social insurance number?
Of course, I know it is supposed to be confidential.
Amendments to privacy laws won’t protect our personal data from the FBI
October 08, 2004
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When was the last time you got a job after refusing to give your social insurance number?
Of course, I know it is supposed to be confidential.
Amendments to privacy laws won’t protect our personal data from the FBI
October 08, 2004
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#17
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Andem
The secret is that guns are shipped across the border not in the usual manner but smuggled in by border jumpers who know how to cross the border and where!I don't think a gun registry would be at all effective, Rev. It's a good idea on paper, but in reality guns will always make their way into the wrong hands. They get shipped here via the border without getting caught, there are rings across the cities which distribute firearms, you can see that in so many news stories featured here atleast.
I think what we need is tighter laws and better enforcement in stopping the people who get their hands on firearms. Tighter border security for one.
You can not sell guns in the States without a FFL so the RCMP and ATF need to be on top of this one!
#18
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
I don't think the 2nd adm is going away, however it is tough to get a gun down here in the States now, you must first pass a background check from the police and then you are allowed to buy the gun. A lot of straw purchases by "friends" are allowing some to get through the cracks. Since Gun Ownership is regulated on the Federal Level for the most part, the rules are the same all over the US. If an illegal gun is found, you can trace it down via paperwork and see who the "rightful viilian" is and somebody made to "pay". On the State level, it is illegal to have the guns outside your house in some States without a Licnece, so enforcement is lscking. Increased sentencing hasn't made much of a difference in the states and, because access is so open in some states, state laws limiting ownership and requiring licensing are ineffective. Gun control in the US will never work until they change the second amendment.
We live in a different country though. If we want to limit guns coming in we can. Gun oil has a particular scent. So does gun powder. We can tighten up the borders. We won't get them all, but we can push the price up so that every wannabe gang member in the country doesn't have one.
That has "trade implications" though. So does leaning on the US to get their problem under control. So does dealing with the social problems that lead to gun violence.
Your gang memebers and the wannabees will always get their guns, too much money in drugs, etc not to be not to afford a "piece". The US would welcome leaning on in this manner and if the RCMP calls his ATF buddy, I have been lead to believe assistance would be forthcoming, a gnagbanger without his piece is a good gang chomp.
#19
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004Quote:
Ummm...wrong thread I think, Calm. You'll have to define "job" too. As a freelancer I rarely give out my SIN. The Manitoba goernment isn't yet contracting to US companies, and I have no intention of filling out the 2006 census if Lockheed Martin is involved in it.Hey! Reverend Blair
When was the last time you got a job after refusing to give your social insurance number?
Of course, I know it is supposed to be confidential.
Amendments to privacy laws won’t protect our personal data from the FBI
October 08, 2004
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CSIS and the RCMP share information with the FBI though, so they'll have at least a bit on me. Somebody in the USA has an inkling of my internet history because they won't let me into their country anymore.
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Yep. Except most illegal weapons come in the trunks of cars, not across the bald prairie or in boats across a lake. A few sniffer dogs checking the cars of those nice people coming up to fill their prescriptions would slow the flow pretty drastically.The secret is that guns are shipped across the border not in the usual manner but smuggled in by border jumpers who know how to cross the border and where!
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The background check is pretty basic though, in some states almost non-existent, and the guns available are often things not available in Canada. You can buy many guns including handguns and semi-automatics that can be converted into automatics easily. Now, thanks to George Bush and his NRA buddies, you can get assault rifles again. I don't think the 2nd adm is going away, however it is tough to get a gun down here in the States now, you must first pass a background check from the police and then you are allowed to buy the gun.
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Those regulations are not enforced equally.Since Gun Ownership is regulated on the Federal Level for the most part, the rules are the same all over the US.
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I can buy a gun in several Winnipeg bars for a couple hundred dollars. The low-level gang members...the ones just starting out...can afford that. They can't afford $500 though, at least not if they want to buy drugs too.Your gang memebers and the wannabees will always get their guns, too much money in drugs, etc not to be not to afford a "piece".
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Every time the Canadian government has ever broached this subject with the US, they have met massive oposition from American politicians. The US wouldn;t even sign the UN small arms agreement because of the second amendment.The US would welcome leaning on in this manner and if the RCMP calls his ATF buddy, I have been lead to believe assistance would be forthcoming, a gnagbanger without his piece is a good gang chomp.
#20
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
I don't think they are interested in your internet history, nice try tho'. I think its something else.Quote:Ummm...wrong thread I think, Calm. You'll have to define "job" too. As a freelancer I rarely give out my SIN. The Manitoba goernment isn't yet contracting to US companies, and I have no intention of filling out the 2006 census if Lockheed Martin is involved in it.Hey! Reverend Blair
When was the last time you got a job after refusing to give your social insurance number?
Of course, I know it is supposed to be confidential.
Amendments to privacy laws won’t protect our personal data from the FBI
October 08, 2004
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CSIS and the RCMP share information with the FBI though, so they'll have at least a bit on me. Somebody in the USA has an inkling of my internet history because they won't let me into their country anymore.
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I don't think its little ole ladies out for a Prescription Holiday bringing in those guns, most criminals know the short cuts and how to get something across the Line, I am from a Long Line of 1920's Bootlegger types and 49th isn't hard to cross! I do like the dog ideas however, let bowser smell my RV! Crossing at Coutts, Alberta one time the young lady assigned to search my RV did not know how to start and she said, Since you are from Louisiana, you gotta have a gun so why don't you make this easy on yourself!" ROTFLMAO, I watched her search for a half hour until her supervisior came over and told her to stop, his credentials check out! My old law enforcement six-sense told me that probably 3 cars of gang bangers came across while watching the show! I tipped the Mountie at the station off to something suspicous and he made a bust! I-15 is a major drug conduit area and ita a no-brainer! The young Revenue Canada Customs agent asked how I, I could tell. You just have to raise teenagers to have a bullcrap detector. Not really, the back seat passengers were looking around and had picture perfect ID, the were let go at the border and the RCMP after my tip radio his partner and they checked out my hunch! BINGO, 10MM GLOCKS and $12,000.00 USD! All undeclared! The secret is that guns are shipped across the border not in the usual manner but smuggled in by border jumpers who know how to cross the border and where!
Yep. Except most illegal weapons come in the trunks of cars, not across the bald prairie or in boats across a lake. A few sniffer dogs checking the cars of those nice people coming up to fill their prescriptions would slow the flow pretty drastically.
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The background check is pretty basic though, in some states almost non-existent, and the guns available are often things not available in Canada. You can buy many guns including handguns and semi-automatics that can be converted into automatics easily. Now, thanks to George Bush and his NRA buddies, you can get assault rifles again. I don't think the 2nd adm is going away, however it is tough to get a gun down here in the States now, you must first pass a background check from the police and then you are allowed to buy the gun.
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Those regulations are not enforced equally.Since Gun Ownership is regulated on the Federal Level for the most part, the rules are the same all over the US.
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I can buy a gun in several Winnipeg bars for a couple hundred dollars. The low-level gang members...the ones just starting out...can afford that. They can't afford $500 though, at least not if they want to buy drugs too.Your gang memebers and the wannabees will always get their guns, too much money in drugs, etc not to be not to afford a "piece".
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Every time the Canadian government has ever broached this subject with the US, they have met massive oposition from American politicians. The US wouldn;t even sign the UN small arms agreement because of the second amendment.[/quote]The US would welcome leaning on in this manner and if the RCMP calls his ATF buddy, I have been lead to believe assistance would be forthcoming, a gnagbanger without his piece is a good gang chomp.
The Background check is a federal issue, no variations!
Can't sign treaty, Constitution can not be over ridden by outside treaties! Constitutional Law.
#21
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 8th, 2004Quote:
It is because of something I said on the internet. Think whatever you want.I don't think they are interested in your internet history, nice try tho'. I think its something else.
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Most illegal guns are brought in one or two at a time by people who aren't professional smugglers or arms dealers. That's according to the RCMP and CSIS.I don't think its little ole ladies out for a Prescription Holiday bringing in those guns,
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And the trucks and so on. Dogs are very efficient at these things...way better than having some half-trained border guard ripping your RV apart.I do like the dog ideas however, let bowser smell my RV!
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But the federal check is minor...no record of felonies, no history of terrorist ties, no mental illness, having a buddy who'll vouch for you. I could pass that and they won't let me in your country.The Background check is a federal issue, no variations!
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So how are we supposed to get you to act, exactly? The UN bill was to stop shipments of AK-47s to places where they end up in the hands of child soldiers. Of course your government didn't like the UN bill against child soldiers either.Can't sign treaty, Constitution can not be over ridden by outside treaties! Constitutional Law.
#22
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 9th, 2004
Hey! Martin Le Acadien
I smirked the whole time while reading your post.
I'd hate to go up against you in a live debate.
I remember when they found 2 shotguns and ammunition inside an inmates room at a Toronto half-way house.
Calm
I smirked the whole time while reading your post.
I'd hate to go up against you in a live debate.
I remember when they found 2 shotguns and ammunition inside an inmates room at a Toronto half-way house.
Calm
#23
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 9th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Paranoid Dot Calm
Hey! Martin Le Acadien
I smirked the whole time while reading your post.
I'd hate to go up against you in a live debate.
I remember when they found 2 shotguns and ammunition inside an inmates room at a Toronto half-way house.
Calm
Calm:
You answered the question with your riddle:
Calm is my default and not simply my fault.
I'm a suspicion counter and I'm gainfully employed by Suspicious Minds. A psychic amnesiac with peripheral vision. I know in advance what I'll forget, and most times I see far into the future, but just way off to one side.
I love it!
I worked as a jail warden when in college, got more of an education working the jail than you can imagime! Worked some patrol stuff, learned from some old tyme Barney Fife-Andy types more about human behavior than you could ever learn in physc 101. Dealing with the Criminal Class follows the classic rule: don't let anyone get your confidence, be suspicious! Small movements give away secrets, ever play poker? It takes a cool hand to bluff and most folks don't realize when they have given up the game!
If a criminal or anybody for that matter wants anything it only takes time to acquire the desired item, drugs are a blackmarket item as well as guns, always someone ready to supply for a price! Gun control looks good in theory, but is the question to making it work.
The reason I got selected for the search at Coutts was that I was trying to deal with 5 kids, a wife and custom agent who had no patience. He decided to show me that he thought I had to have some thing in the camper. Most cutoms types have about 30 seconds to sum up the person before them and who says first impressions don't count. I learned to have passports out, every body at attention and radio off. I never had my camper checked again!
Closing thought:
If you are 25 and not a liberal you do not have a heart.
If you are 50 and not a conservative you do not have a brain.
My mantra is:
I am not politically correct, I still think.
Question everything, even authority, respectfully.
Conservative
#25
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 10th, 2004
Plenty of illegal guns here, drugs,too.Every dealer busted has a bunch of nasty weapons.
#26
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 10th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
To show respect for the institutions is not to be subservient. One must learn to gain confidence of the person in authority, then make his case, not to create animosity and hatred toward the opposing personage. To this means and end, manners are the social lubrication by which we remain dignified and are able to have respect for each other's viewpoints, even though we do not agree with them. To gain respect we must show respect.Why respectfully?
Example of tact and diplomacy:
Would you rather be referred to as a:
an unitellegent, illegitimate step child
or
A Stupid B*st*rd
Protesting in the street seldom gets anything but attention, stepping in the Ballot Box draws little attention but gets results.
#27
RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 10th, 2004
What about when those institutions not only don't listen, but actively work to silence dissent? Respect is earned. So is derision.
#28
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 10th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by missile
Registered, too, eh? A criminal is still a criminal, no respect for law. Plenty of illegal guns here, drugs,too.Every dealer busted has a bunch of nasty weapons.
THE REV BLAIR WROTE
Meanwhile the majority of Canadians were demanding something be done. The registry gives the apearance of that even if it isn't effective.
Let's put on a dog and pony show even if it doesn't work, it will fool the PEOPLE. Well the people aren't as stupid as it would seem. Dog and Pony shows are all over States too and the criminals are still laughing, "I don't need no stinkin' licence."
#29
Re: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 10th, 2004
Hey! Martin Le Acadien
I always laugh when I hear an advertisement about people being encouraged to call 222-TIPS. The police themselves have no respect for rats, but they want the rest of us to rat on ourselves.
And now, with this security trip, ... they are bringing in laws and asking us to watch and rat on other citizens .... Just like in Russia.
It's a joke!
Maybe, we should open up a thread called "Cops and Robbers".
People could post stuff for the police right here.
Thanks for the compliment about my signature. It's hard trying to find an animation which is suitable for such a long name.
I always laugh when I hear an advertisement about people being encouraged to call 222-TIPS. The police themselves have no respect for rats, but they want the rest of us to rat on ourselves.
And now, with this security trip, ... they are bringing in laws and asking us to watch and rat on other citizens .... Just like in Russia.
It's a joke!
Maybe, we should open up a thread called "Cops and Robbers".
People could post stuff for the police right here.
Thanks for the compliment about my signature. It's hard trying to find an animation which is suitable for such a long name.
#30
Re: RE: GUN REGISTRY
Dec 10th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
I actively work by refusing to submit, don't give them your dignity! What about when those institutions not only don't listen, but actively work to silence dissent? Respect is earned. So is derision.
Mohandas Ghandi's method of silent resistance was a classic example of how to effect change.
Rosa Parks shook down a system and never lost her dignity, and the US is a much better place because of it.
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