Think twice before heading to Canada
By David Grimes
November 20, 2004
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/saturdayspin/200389_grimes20.html
By David Grimes
November 20, 2004
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/saturdayspin/200389_grimes20.html
Think twice before heading to Canada
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Ten Reasons Not to Move to Canada
By Sarah Anderson
November 03, 2004
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1103-28.htm
Top 10 Reasons to Come to Canada
http://www.immigrate.net/law/en/Canada/10ReasonsToCanada.asp
By Sarah Anderson
November 03, 2004
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1103-28.htm
Top 10 Reasons to Come to Canada
http://www.immigrate.net/law/en/Canada/10ReasonsToCanada.asp
This is from the Washington Post .... A sign-in site.
Before You Flee to Canada, Can We Talk?
By Nora Jacobson
November 28, 2004
I moved to Canada after the 2000 election. Although I did it mainly for career reasons -- I got a job whose description read as though it had been written precisely for my rather quirky background and interests -- at the time I found it gratifying to joke that I was leaving the United States because of George W. Bush. It felt fine to think of myself as someone who was actually going to make good on the standard election-year threat to leave the country. Also, I had spent years of my life feeling like I wasn't a typical American and wishing I could be Canadian. I wanted to live in a country that was not a superpower, a country I believe to have made the right choices about fairness, human rights and the social compact.
So I could certainly identify with the disappointed John Kerry supporters who started fantasizing about moving to Canada after Nov. 2. But after nearly four years as an American in the Great White North, I've learned it's not all beer and doughnuts. If you're thinking about coming to Canada, let me give you some advice: Don't.
Although I enjoy my work and have made good friends here, I've found life as an American expatriate in Canada difficult, frustrating and even painful in ways that have surprised me. As attractive as living here may be in theory, the reality's something else. For me, it's been one of almost daily confrontation with a powerful anti-Americanism that pervades many aspects of life. When I've mentioned this phenomenon to Canadian friends, they've furrowed their brows sympathetically and said, "Yes, Canadian anti-Americanism can be very subtle." My response is, there's nothing subtle about it.
The anti-Americanism I experience generally takes this form: Canadians bring up "the States" or "Americans" to make comparisons or evaluations that mix a kind of smug contempt with a wariness that alternates between the paranoid and the absurd.
Thus, Canadian media discussion of President Bush's upcoming official visit on Tuesday focuses on the snub implied by his not having visited earlier. It's reported that when he does come, he will not speak to a Parliament that's so hostile it can't be trusted to receive him politely. Coverage of a Canadian athlete caught doping devolves into complaints about how Americans always get away with cheating. The "Blame Canada" song from the "South Park" movie is taken as documentary evidence of Americans' real attitudes toward this country. The ongoing U.S. ban on importing Canadian cattle (after a case of mad cow disease was traced to Alberta) is interpreted as a form of political persecution. A six o'clock news show introduces a group of parents and children who are convinced that the reason Canadian textbooks give short shrift to America's failed attempts to invade the Canadian territories in the War of 1812 is to avoid antagonizing the Americans -- who are just waiting for an excuse to give it another try.
My noisy neighbors revel in Canada's two hockey golds at the 2002 Olympics because "We beat the Americans in America!" The first gay couple to wed in Ontario tells the press, before they say anything else, that they are glad they don't live in the United States. A PR person at the hospital where I work, who has been eager to talk to me about a book I've published, puts down her pen when she learns that I'm American and that the book is nearly devoid of "Canadian content."
More seriously, in the wake of 9/11, after the initial shock wore off, it was common to hear some Canadians voice the opinion that Americans had finally gotten what they deserved. The attacks were just deserts for years of interventionist U.S. foreign policy, the increasing inequality between the world's poorest nations and the wealthiest one on earth, and a generalized arrogance. I heard similar views expressed after Nov. 2, when Americans were perceived to have revealed their true selves and thus to "deserve" a second Bush term.
Canadians often use three metaphors to portray their relationship with the United States. They describe Canada as "sleeping with an elephant." Even when the elephant is at rest, they worry that it may suddenly roll over and crush them. They refer to the U.S.-Canadian border as "the longest one-way mirror in the world" -- Canadians peer closely at Americans, trying to make sense of their every move, while the United States sees only its own reflection. Finally, they liken Canada to a gawky teenage girl with a hopeless crush on the handsome and popular boy next door. You know, the one who doesn't even know she exists.
The self-image conveyed in these metaphors is timid and accommodating. Perhaps this is how Canadians see themselves (or would like to be seen), but my experience is that they are extremely aggressive (if somewhat passively so) when it comes to demonstrating their deep ambivalence toward Americans. Take the popular TV show "Talking to Americans," which simultaneously showcases Americans' ignorance about Canada and mocks Canadians' unhealthy preoccupation with what Americans really think of them. Of course, there's often something of the stalker in that gawky teenage girl, isn't there?
Part of what's irksome about Canadian anti-Americanism and the obsession with the United States is that it seems so corrosive to Canada. Any country that defines itself through a negative ("Canada: We're not the United States") is doomed to an endless and repetitive cycle of hand-wringing and angst. For example, Canadians often point to their system of universal health care as the best example of what it means to be Canadian (because the United States doesn't provide it), but this means that any effort to adjust or reform that system (which is not perfect) precipitates a national identity crisis: To wit, instituting co-payments or private MRI clinics will make Canada too much like the United States.
The rush to make comparisons sometimes prevents meaningful examination of the very real problems that Canada faces. (For me, it has become the punch line of a private joke that whenever anything bad happens here, the first response is a chagrined cry of "But we're Canadian!" -- the "not American" can be inferred.) As a Canadian social advocate once told me, when her compatriots look at their own societal problems, they are often satisfied once they can reassure themselves that they're better off than the United States. As long as there's still more homelessness, racism and income inequality to the south, Canadians can continue to rest easy in their moral superiority.
Many Canadians have American relatives or travel frequently to the United States, but a large number are pretty naive about their neighbors to the south. A university student confidently told me that there had been "no dissent" in the United States during the run-up to the Iraq war. Toronto boosters argue that American cities lack the ethnic diversity found in Canada's largest metropolis. The author of a popular book on the differences between the Canadian and American characters (a topic of undying interest here) promotes the view that Americans are all authority-loving conformists.
Ultimately, Canadian anti-Americanism says more about Canada than it does about the United States. Because some 80 to 90 percent of this country's trade is with the United States, the reality is that Canadians need Americans to sustain their economy and thus the quality of life they value. Such dependence breeds resentment. In "officially multicultural Canada," hostility toward Americans is the last socially acceptable expression of bigotry and xenophobia. It would be impossible to say the things about any other nationality that Canadians routinely say -- both publicly and privately -- about Americans. On a human level, it can be rude and hurtful. (As it was on the afternoon of Sept. 11, 2001, when an acquaintance angrily told me that she would now have to curtail her travel plans because she was afraid she might be mistaken for an American.) And there's no way to argue against it. An American who attempts to correct a misconception or express even the mildest approval for the policies of U.S. institutions is likely to be dismissed as thin-skinned or offensive, and as demonstrating those scary nationalistic tendencies that threaten the world.
I felt a strong tug toward America when the borders shut for several hours on the afternoon of 9/11, and again after the election this month. Canadian friends were honestly shocked when I, a caricature of a bluestocking blue-stater (I've spent most of my life in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland and Wisconsin, with short stays in Washington state and the bluest part of Colorado), said that I would in many ways prefer to live in the United States, and not just because it's home. They assume that it's better, more comfortable, to be in a place seemingly more in tune with one's own political and philosophical leanings. Right after the election, many asked me if I would now apply for Canadian citizenship.
I don't intend to do that, because experiencing the anti-Americanism I've described has been instructive: Living here and coping with it has forced me to confront my own feelings about America. And it's helped me discover what I do value about it: its contradictions, its eccentricities, its expansive spirit, all the intensity and opportunity of a deeply flawed, widely inconsistent, but always interesting country. Perhaps I am a typical American, after all.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15638-2004Nov26.html?nav=hcmodule
Before You Flee to Canada, Can We Talk?
By Nora Jacobson
November 28, 2004
I moved to Canada after the 2000 election. Although I did it mainly for career reasons -- I got a job whose description read as though it had been written precisely for my rather quirky background and interests -- at the time I found it gratifying to joke that I was leaving the United States because of George W. Bush. It felt fine to think of myself as someone who was actually going to make good on the standard election-year threat to leave the country. Also, I had spent years of my life feeling like I wasn't a typical American and wishing I could be Canadian. I wanted to live in a country that was not a superpower, a country I believe to have made the right choices about fairness, human rights and the social compact.
So I could certainly identify with the disappointed John Kerry supporters who started fantasizing about moving to Canada after Nov. 2. But after nearly four years as an American in the Great White North, I've learned it's not all beer and doughnuts. If you're thinking about coming to Canada, let me give you some advice: Don't.
Although I enjoy my work and have made good friends here, I've found life as an American expatriate in Canada difficult, frustrating and even painful in ways that have surprised me. As attractive as living here may be in theory, the reality's something else. For me, it's been one of almost daily confrontation with a powerful anti-Americanism that pervades many aspects of life. When I've mentioned this phenomenon to Canadian friends, they've furrowed their brows sympathetically and said, "Yes, Canadian anti-Americanism can be very subtle." My response is, there's nothing subtle about it.
The anti-Americanism I experience generally takes this form: Canadians bring up "the States" or "Americans" to make comparisons or evaluations that mix a kind of smug contempt with a wariness that alternates between the paranoid and the absurd.
Thus, Canadian media discussion of President Bush's upcoming official visit on Tuesday focuses on the snub implied by his not having visited earlier. It's reported that when he does come, he will not speak to a Parliament that's so hostile it can't be trusted to receive him politely. Coverage of a Canadian athlete caught doping devolves into complaints about how Americans always get away with cheating. The "Blame Canada" song from the "South Park" movie is taken as documentary evidence of Americans' real attitudes toward this country. The ongoing U.S. ban on importing Canadian cattle (after a case of mad cow disease was traced to Alberta) is interpreted as a form of political persecution. A six o'clock news show introduces a group of parents and children who are convinced that the reason Canadian textbooks give short shrift to America's failed attempts to invade the Canadian territories in the War of 1812 is to avoid antagonizing the Americans -- who are just waiting for an excuse to give it another try.
My noisy neighbors revel in Canada's two hockey golds at the 2002 Olympics because "We beat the Americans in America!" The first gay couple to wed in Ontario tells the press, before they say anything else, that they are glad they don't live in the United States. A PR person at the hospital where I work, who has been eager to talk to me about a book I've published, puts down her pen when she learns that I'm American and that the book is nearly devoid of "Canadian content."
More seriously, in the wake of 9/11, after the initial shock wore off, it was common to hear some Canadians voice the opinion that Americans had finally gotten what they deserved. The attacks were just deserts for years of interventionist U.S. foreign policy, the increasing inequality between the world's poorest nations and the wealthiest one on earth, and a generalized arrogance. I heard similar views expressed after Nov. 2, when Americans were perceived to have revealed their true selves and thus to "deserve" a second Bush term.
Canadians often use three metaphors to portray their relationship with the United States. They describe Canada as "sleeping with an elephant." Even when the elephant is at rest, they worry that it may suddenly roll over and crush them. They refer to the U.S.-Canadian border as "the longest one-way mirror in the world" -- Canadians peer closely at Americans, trying to make sense of their every move, while the United States sees only its own reflection. Finally, they liken Canada to a gawky teenage girl with a hopeless crush on the handsome and popular boy next door. You know, the one who doesn't even know she exists.
The self-image conveyed in these metaphors is timid and accommodating. Perhaps this is how Canadians see themselves (or would like to be seen), but my experience is that they are extremely aggressive (if somewhat passively so) when it comes to demonstrating their deep ambivalence toward Americans. Take the popular TV show "Talking to Americans," which simultaneously showcases Americans' ignorance about Canada and mocks Canadians' unhealthy preoccupation with what Americans really think of them. Of course, there's often something of the stalker in that gawky teenage girl, isn't there?
Part of what's irksome about Canadian anti-Americanism and the obsession with the United States is that it seems so corrosive to Canada. Any country that defines itself through a negative ("Canada: We're not the United States") is doomed to an endless and repetitive cycle of hand-wringing and angst. For example, Canadians often point to their system of universal health care as the best example of what it means to be Canadian (because the United States doesn't provide it), but this means that any effort to adjust or reform that system (which is not perfect) precipitates a national identity crisis: To wit, instituting co-payments or private MRI clinics will make Canada too much like the United States.
The rush to make comparisons sometimes prevents meaningful examination of the very real problems that Canada faces. (For me, it has become the punch line of a private joke that whenever anything bad happens here, the first response is a chagrined cry of "But we're Canadian!" -- the "not American" can be inferred.) As a Canadian social advocate once told me, when her compatriots look at their own societal problems, they are often satisfied once they can reassure themselves that they're better off than the United States. As long as there's still more homelessness, racism and income inequality to the south, Canadians can continue to rest easy in their moral superiority.
Many Canadians have American relatives or travel frequently to the United States, but a large number are pretty naive about their neighbors to the south. A university student confidently told me that there had been "no dissent" in the United States during the run-up to the Iraq war. Toronto boosters argue that American cities lack the ethnic diversity found in Canada's largest metropolis. The author of a popular book on the differences between the Canadian and American characters (a topic of undying interest here) promotes the view that Americans are all authority-loving conformists.
Ultimately, Canadian anti-Americanism says more about Canada than it does about the United States. Because some 80 to 90 percent of this country's trade is with the United States, the reality is that Canadians need Americans to sustain their economy and thus the quality of life they value. Such dependence breeds resentment. In "officially multicultural Canada," hostility toward Americans is the last socially acceptable expression of bigotry and xenophobia. It would be impossible to say the things about any other nationality that Canadians routinely say -- both publicly and privately -- about Americans. On a human level, it can be rude and hurtful. (As it was on the afternoon of Sept. 11, 2001, when an acquaintance angrily told me that she would now have to curtail her travel plans because she was afraid she might be mistaken for an American.) And there's no way to argue against it. An American who attempts to correct a misconception or express even the mildest approval for the policies of U.S. institutions is likely to be dismissed as thin-skinned or offensive, and as demonstrating those scary nationalistic tendencies that threaten the world.
I felt a strong tug toward America when the borders shut for several hours on the afternoon of 9/11, and again after the election this month. Canadian friends were honestly shocked when I, a caricature of a bluestocking blue-stater (I've spent most of my life in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland and Wisconsin, with short stays in Washington state and the bluest part of Colorado), said that I would in many ways prefer to live in the United States, and not just because it's home. They assume that it's better, more comfortable, to be in a place seemingly more in tune with one's own political and philosophical leanings. Right after the election, many asked me if I would now apply for Canadian citizenship.
I don't intend to do that, because experiencing the anti-Americanism I've described has been instructive: Living here and coping with it has forced me to confront my own feelings about America. And it's helped me discover what I do value about it: its contradictions, its eccentricities, its expansive spirit, all the intensity and opportunity of a deeply flawed, widely inconsistent, but always interesting country. Perhaps I am a typical American, after all.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15638-2004Nov26.html?nav=hcmodule
I've never understood how Canadians got the stereotype of saying "aboot" rather then "about". I can't remember ever hearing someone say that :dontknow: Maybe that's a Manitoba thing. :lol: Oh, and since when is barbeque sauce a part of poutine? Have I been missing out?
RE: Think twice before he
I've heard some people from the Ottawa Valley talk like that....they also say "bairn" instead of "barn" and "haich" instead of "h". I thought they talked funny and they thought I talked funny. None of us was wrong. It's really a silly generalisation...like assuming people from Boston should have a Texas drawl or people from BC should sound like people in Newfoundland.
We all have regional accents to some extent. There is no Canadian accent anymore than there is a single American accent.
I've heard some people from the Ottawa Valley talk like that....they also say "bairn" instead of "barn" and "haich" instead of "h". I thought they talked funny and they thought I talked funny. None of us was wrong. It's really a silly generalisation...like assuming people from Boston should have a Texas drawl or people from BC should sound like people in Newfoundland.
We all have regional accents to some extent. There is no Canadian accent anymore than there is a single American accent.
Thanks for the article. The line "hostility toward Americans is the last socially acceptable expression of bigotry and xenophobia" rings very true in our country.
RE: Think twice before he
Nonsense. We welcome Americans. We just want them to understand that this is Canada.
Nonsense. We welcome Americans. We just want them to understand that this is Canada.
Both of those articles sound more like something from the comedy network. But on a more serious note, they are just dumbed down propaganda peices demoting Canada to those who are interested in relocating here.
The American government is incompatible with other nations of the world because of their gross disregard to International law and their imprudence and stupidity.
Most intelligent people know that's a load of rubbish. Canada could shorten the time until the ultimate downfall of the US economy to A MATTER OF A FEW DAYS if we cut off their fuel supplies.
The American government is incompatible with other nations of the world because of their gross disregard to International law and their imprudence and stupidity.
Re: RE: Think twice before he
Most people don't understand that there are two nations above
the Rio Grande. The 49'r doesn't refer to a football team in
San Francisco either! Most people in the USA are woefully
ignorant of Canada! An article in the local paper here in
Louisiana about recent events in the "Homeland" was
maligned 8O by a non-Acadian who did not underastand why we
watch so much Canadian TV and hear so much Canadian Radio
since we were supposed to be living in the US of Amurika
here in Louisiana! Louisiana is a far distance from Canada and
we "THE ACADIANS" 8O should be happy about being brought to
Amurika, to be free. We should be happy to speak English
and be "civilized"! You get the picture?
Meanwhile we would rather be in the "Homeland". 8)
VIE ACADIE
Reverend Blair said:
Most people don't understand that there are two nations above
the Rio Grande. The 49'r doesn't refer to a football team in
San Francisco either! Most people in the USA are woefully
ignorant of Canada! An article in the local paper here in
Louisiana about recent events in the "Homeland" was
maligned 8O by a non-Acadian who did not underastand why we
watch so much Canadian TV and hear so much Canadian Radio
since we were supposed to be living in the US of Amurika
here in Louisiana! Louisiana is a far distance from Canada and
we "THE ACADIANS" 8O should be happy about being brought to
Amurika, to be free. We should be happy to speak English
and be "civilized"! You get the picture?
Meanwhile we would rather be in the "Homeland". 8)
VIE ACADIE
That was actually pretty interesting. I don't think I've ever had the opporunity to hear what an American thinks of Canada after living here for a while.
While I have some relatives in the states, by far the most contact I've had with Americans have been members of the US Forces while I was galavanting around the globe with the Canadian navy. We always had a good time together, but that was largely because we, despite our differences, shared the closest culture amidst the middle eastern and asian regions we usually ported in.
Privately though, back onboard ship, we definitely fell into the standard "look at the dumb Americans" role pretty quickly.
ottytrain5:
While I have some relatives in the states, by far the most contact I've had with Americans have been members of the US Forces while I was galavanting around the globe with the Canadian navy. We always had a good time together, but that was largely because we, despite our differences, shared the closest culture amidst the middle eastern and asian regions we usually ported in.
Privately though, back onboard ship, we definitely fell into the standard "look at the dumb Americans" role pretty quickly.
ottytrain5:Re: RE: Think twice before heading to Canada
Your point being?
Would you want a ruined US economy? With 300 Million People in the South right now, it would be bedlam to say the least and almost anarchy at the worse with the Military-Industrial complex in complete control since their core system would take over the US's production and industrial base along with a population which might be willing to invade just about anybody to maintain the Status Quo?
Canada has 32 million Population with a standing armed force of about 30,000 in all services! The US has a population of 300 Million and 850,000 in regular Service and 300,000 more in ready reserves not deployed! this doesn't count the State Miltias and Standby reserves!
How long before Ottawa (within 100 Km of US-Canadian Border) falls to US forces and the Prime Minister is forced to surrender the Western Provinces, pay war repatriations, recognize Quebec Independence and totally dis-arm all remaining military forces allowing for a quick occupation like Germany and Japan (we still have bases over there since WW2).
BTW-How many countries came to Iraq's aid? Answer NONE.
Any you want 300 million red necks and soccor moms stirred up?
FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
This should be clear enough!
Andem said:
Your point being?
Would you want a ruined US economy? With 300 Million People in the South right now, it would be bedlam to say the least and almost anarchy at the worse with the Military-Industrial complex in complete control since their core system would take over the US's production and industrial base along with a population which might be willing to invade just about anybody to maintain the Status Quo?
Canada has 32 million Population with a standing armed force of about 30,000 in all services! The US has a population of 300 Million and 850,000 in regular Service and 300,000 more in ready reserves not deployed! this doesn't count the State Miltias and Standby reserves!
How long before Ottawa (within 100 Km of US-Canadian Border) falls to US forces and the Prime Minister is forced to surrender the Western Provinces, pay war repatriations, recognize Quebec Independence and totally dis-arm all remaining military forces allowing for a quick occupation like Germany and Japan (we still have bases over there since WW2).
BTW-How many countries came to Iraq's aid? Answer NONE.
Any you want 300 million red necks and soccor moms stirred up?
FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
Andem said:The American government is incompatible with other nations of the world because of their gross disregard to International law and their imprudence and stupidity.
This should be clear enough!
Hi! Martin Le Acadien
When I read Andem's remarks, I thought it was just tongue and cheek. (Perhaps a bit of Canadian Bravado!)
Whatever the case .... I'm sure glad we and America are on the same side.
My only sincere complaint against America is that we always get ripped on trade deals.
Even today, America is attempting to bring us to our knees prior to negotiating fresh water diversion schemes. In my mind, that is the only reason they shut out our beef and our softwood lumber.
They always treat us just like Iraqi's. In Iraq, they are bringing the country to it's knees and soon all Iraqi's will beg to retain the oil which rightfully belongs to Iraq. The US insists that the oil should be controlled by private enterprise and not nationalized or controlled by Iraqi's.
I would think that Iraq feels the same about their oil as we do about fresh water.
Fresh water is on the agenda but no one is talking about it. The U.S. mid-west is desperate and dry. Global warming has only increased their thirst for fresh water.
If there is any Newfie folks reading this ..... your day is coming. All your fishing ports and ship building will be re-opened for the sales of water. Newfoundland has huge fresh water resources.
Forget Newfie Screech!
Newfoundlander's are great salespeople. I even bought a can of Newfie fog when visiting the island once.
Diversion of Great Lakes water risks environment, Cdn sovereignty:
September 19, 2004
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enca/news/NewsStory.htm?type=n&src=n091917A.xml
Ontario won't back Great Lakes agreement
Stopping water diversion remains priority: Ramsay But province says talks will continue with neighbours
By Richard Brennan
November 16, 2004
http://www.thestar.com...
IJC Report on Great Lakes Water Quality Issued, Review of the Agreement Begins
September 13, 2004
http://www.ijc.org/rel/news/040913_e.htm
U.S. court rejects Manitoba challenge to water diversion scheme
August 24, 2004
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=cbc/canada_home&articleID=1694971
Water Conflict Chronology - Introduction
Version August 2003
Environment and Security Water Conflict Chronology
http://www.worldwater.org/conflictIntro.htm
Water Wars
Bottled water is a multibillion-dollar growth industry -- on its way to becoming the most consumed beverage in America outside of soft drinks. Should you buy it, bottle it, or invest in it? Here's a look at the major players, the outlook for investors and consumers, and even the results of one writer's taste test.
http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2003/commentary030310bb.htm
Advocates Warn of Thirst and Turmoil for a Parched Planet
A World Without Water
by Ginger Adams Otis
August 21 - 27, 2002
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0234/otis.php
Scientists Say Risk of Water Wars Rising
August 23, 2004
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/26728/story.htm
Water Wars
http://www.worldwaterwars.com
Water Wars
by Joyce R. Starr
1991
http://www.ciesin.org/docs/006-304/006-304.html
Water Wars
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=165
Water Wars
http://www.hewett.norfolk.sch.uk/curric/NEWGEOG/Africa/waterwar.htm
Water Wars of the Near Future
by Marq de Villiers
http://www.ittind.com/waterbook/Wars.asp
Calm
When I read Andem's remarks, I thought it was just tongue and cheek. (Perhaps a bit of Canadian Bravado!)
Whatever the case .... I'm sure glad we and America are on the same side.
My only sincere complaint against America is that we always get ripped on trade deals.
Even today, America is attempting to bring us to our knees prior to negotiating fresh water diversion schemes. In my mind, that is the only reason they shut out our beef and our softwood lumber.
They always treat us just like Iraqi's. In Iraq, they are bringing the country to it's knees and soon all Iraqi's will beg to retain the oil which rightfully belongs to Iraq. The US insists that the oil should be controlled by private enterprise and not nationalized or controlled by Iraqi's.
I would think that Iraq feels the same about their oil as we do about fresh water.
Fresh water is on the agenda but no one is talking about it. The U.S. mid-west is desperate and dry. Global warming has only increased their thirst for fresh water.
If there is any Newfie folks reading this ..... your day is coming. All your fishing ports and ship building will be re-opened for the sales of water. Newfoundland has huge fresh water resources.
Forget Newfie Screech!
Newfoundlander's are great salespeople. I even bought a can of Newfie fog when visiting the island once.
Diversion of Great Lakes water risks environment, Cdn sovereignty:
September 19, 2004
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enca/news/NewsStory.htm?type=n&src=n091917A.xml
Ontario won't back Great Lakes agreement
Stopping water diversion remains priority: Ramsay But province says talks will continue with neighbours
By Richard Brennan
November 16, 2004
http://www.thestar.com...
IJC Report on Great Lakes Water Quality Issued, Review of the Agreement Begins
September 13, 2004
http://www.ijc.org/rel/news/040913_e.htm
U.S. court rejects Manitoba challenge to water diversion scheme
August 24, 2004
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=cbc/canada_home&articleID=1694971
Water Conflict Chronology - Introduction
Version August 2003
Environment and Security Water Conflict Chronology
http://www.worldwater.org/conflictIntro.htm
Water Wars
Bottled water is a multibillion-dollar growth industry -- on its way to becoming the most consumed beverage in America outside of soft drinks. Should you buy it, bottle it, or invest in it? Here's a look at the major players, the outlook for investors and consumers, and even the results of one writer's taste test.
http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2003/commentary030310bb.htm
Advocates Warn of Thirst and Turmoil for a Parched Planet
A World Without Water
by Ginger Adams Otis
August 21 - 27, 2002
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0234/otis.php
Scientists Say Risk of Water Wars Rising
August 23, 2004
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/26728/story.htm
Water Wars
http://www.worldwaterwars.com
Water Wars
by Joyce R. Starr
1991
http://www.ciesin.org/docs/006-304/006-304.html
Water Wars
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=165
Water Wars
http://www.hewett.norfolk.sch.uk/curric/NEWGEOG/Africa/waterwar.htm
Water Wars of the Near Future
by Marq de Villiers
http://www.ittind.com/waterbook/Wars.asp
Calm
Re: RE: Think twice before heading to Canada
Just Tongue in cheek thinking!
BTW-
"Mr. President, the Acadian Delagation in Congress would like to remind you of certain claims of injustice inflicted upon them by the Canadian Agressors in 1755, they would like them addressed in the Document of Surrender!"
A Deep Texas Drawl: "Tell them Coon-asses* they can have their old homes back, but that we gave Labrador to Quebec as an independence gift!" 8)
"That's wonderful, Mr. President, Four new Red States and Lobster Gumbo will be served at the White House next Friday in your Honor!" 8O
*Coon-ass is a slightly derogatory term for Cajun/Acadiens used by Texans. But worn with pride by Acadiens as a indication of ethnic indications and we ain't Texans.
Andem said:
Just Tongue in cheek thinking!
BTW-
"Mr. President, the Acadian Delagation in Congress would like to remind you of certain claims of injustice inflicted upon them by the Canadian Agressors in 1755, they would like them addressed in the Document of Surrender!"
A Deep Texas Drawl: "Tell them Coon-asses* they can have their old homes back, but that we gave Labrador to Quebec as an independence gift!" 8)
"That's wonderful, Mr. President, Four new Red States and Lobster Gumbo will be served at the White House next Friday in your Honor!" 8O
*Coon-ass is a slightly derogatory term for Cajun/Acadiens used by Texans. But worn with pride by Acadiens as a indication of ethnic indications and we ain't Texans.
Paranoid Dot Calm said:
In the end, it boils down to the almighty $, trade deals are great for the bankers, us little guys get left out! Water rights are a mighty touchy issue out west! Most to the water is needed in the Far West and they want ours too here in the East! Louisiana has plenty of Fresh Water and we are willing to sell it to the highest bidder! However, the Govt of Louisiana wants to sell the Mississippi River for revenue enhancement purposes! 3 Canadian Provinces also feed into the river and everybody should get their share! Water will be a driving force in the future!
Iraq-after the Jan elections, its time to start leaving!
Its late and I will not even touch the Newfies, poor fellows, a whole island and they can't even go fishing!
Martin Le Acadien said:
You are correct - and Canada should dam them! THEN we will see how much Bush wants our beef and lumber....
RE: Think twice before he
They aint touching our water. The feds will have to kill a Québec Prime Minister to get our water! Let it be a seperatist or not.
They aint touching our water. The feds will have to kill a Québec Prime Minister to get our water! Let it be a seperatist or not.
Ten Packs said:
And if Canada would look over some of the old treaties, they could probably claim Louisiana as a former French Possession and gain all
the water in North America, the US would be left with a few Eastern States!
I don't know if Bush wants Beef, he is from Texas, land of the Longhorns! He is probably paid off by the beef cartel! As for Lumber, ain't many trees in Texas!