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October 21st, 2004, 12:45 PM
This is a thread from another forum
On reading the latest statistics something struck me as very odd....
In the last 25 years the U.S. has gotten tough on crime...it is the only western country with the death penalty....federal and state governments imposed brutal sentences , built harsh prisons and cut parole. It incarceration rate is now six times higher than the rate in Canada.....yet when comparing homicide rates in those two countries you'll find that the murder rate in Canada is 1.85 per 100,000 people. While in the U.S. it is 5.6...more than 3 times the Canadian rate..
But when you look at the statistics about church attendence you'll find that on a per capita basis the U.S. leads by 3 to 1...in other words Amercans are more religious than Canadians.
Frankly I am puzzled by these facts....I always thought that religious folk are more law abiding than others
My favorite answer on this thread is: It's a known fact, it's harder to kill your girlfriend in a fit of rage with the lacross stick in your closet than with the pistol in your bed side drawer
This is a thread from another forum
On reading the latest statistics something struck me as very odd....
In the last 25 years the U.S. has gotten tough on crime...it is the only western country with the death penalty....federal and state governments imposed brutal sentences , built harsh prisons and cut parole. It incarceration rate is now six times higher than the rate in Canada.....yet when comparing homicide rates in those two countries you'll find that the murder rate in Canada is 1.85 per 100,000 people. While in the U.S. it is 5.6...more than 3 times the Canadian rate..
But when you look at the statistics about church attendence you'll find that on a per capita basis the U.S. leads by 3 to 1...in other words Amercans are more religious than Canadians.
Frankly I am puzzled by these facts....I always thought that religious folk are more law abiding than others
My favorite answer on this thread is: It's a known fact, it's harder to kill your girlfriend in a fit of rage with the lacross stick in your closet than with the pistol in your bed side drawer
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October 21st, 2004, 01:10 PM
"I always thought that religious folk are more law abiding than others "
That's your first mistake. First of all, every single President of the US has to make a big deal out of going to church, especially during the campaign; Clinton even had Jesse Jackson praying for him...and you'll find that GWB is a very good church going man......so much for Christianity, huh?
I've found that the more people make an effort to let you know what good Christians they are, the more likely they are to either stab you in the back, or commit fraud.
"I always thought that religious folk are more law abiding than others "
That's your first mistake. First of all, every single President of the US has to make a big deal out of going to church, especially during the campaign; Clinton even had Jesse Jackson praying for him...and you'll find that GWB is a very good church going man......so much for Christianity, huh?
I've found that the more people make an effort to let you know what good Christians they are, the more likely they are to either stab you in the back, or commit fraud.
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October 21st, 2004, 02:46 PM
yup, anyone who has made a point of telling me they are a 'christian' usually are a pain in the butt.
i consider myself a 'christian' even though i never attend church, or tell anyone.
a true christian to me is someone who treats everyone as an equal and is kind...or something like that
yup, anyone who has made a point of telling me they are a 'christian' usually are a pain in the butt.
i consider myself a 'christian' even though i never attend church, or tell anyone.
a true christian to me is someone who treats everyone as an equal and is kind...or something like that
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August 7th, 2007, 03:17 AM
I am searching for a valid statistics reference source which demonstrates:
Thank you.
Gregg
I am searching for a valid statistics reference source which demonstrates:
- crimes and the perpetrators religious preference or indoctrination
- and the like ...
Thank you.
Gregg
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August 7th, 2007, 07:06 AM
Gregg: Hello and welcome! A couple of thoughts when I read this request...
I don't know if you selected the thread or your question was put here among some very old discussions..
Thought one: why aren't you putting your query on Google or other search engines???
My second thought: I automatically (as we do in the western nations perhaps) thought of Christian or Jewish religions ... and then...
My third thought: Does this include Islamic Fundamental Religious groups? I mean they are a 'religion' are they not? However I understand in many nations including Britain one is not allowed
to secregate Islamic/Muslim from another other grouping - as part of the politically correct dogmatic thema which has now become fundamental and rather a religious devotion in itself...
Didn't answer your question - but if you look to the recent terrorism we are all experiencing around the world .... well I leave it up to the readers...
Gregg: Hello and welcome! A couple of thoughts when I read this request...
I don't know if you selected the thread or your question was put here among some very old discussions..
Thought one: why aren't you putting your query on Google or other search engines???
My second thought: I automatically (as we do in the western nations perhaps) thought of Christian or Jewish religions ... and then...
My third thought: Does this include Islamic Fundamental Religious groups? I mean they are a 'religion' are they not? However I understand in many nations including Britain one is not allowed
to secregate Islamic/Muslim from another other grouping - as part of the politically correct dogmatic thema which has now become fundamental and rather a religious devotion in itself...
Didn't answer your question - but if you look to the recent terrorism we are all experiencing around the world .... well I leave it up to the readers...
Theism Exorcist
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August 7th, 2007, 10:52 AM
Quoting peapod
The answer is self evident religion does not equal morality despite what people like Al Sharpton woud have you believe .
This is a thread from another forum
On reading the latest statistics something struck me as very odd....
In the last 25 years the U.S. has gotten tough on crime...it is the only western country with the death penalty....federal and state governments imposed brutal sentences , built harsh prisons and cut parole. It incarceration rate is now six times higher than the rate in Canada.....yet when comparing homicide rates in those two countries you'll find that the murder rate in Canada is 1.85 per 100,000 people. While in the U.S. it is 5.6...more than 3 times the Canadian rate..
But when you look at the statistics about church attendence you'll find that on a per capita basis the U.S. leads by 3 to 1...in other words Amercans are more religious than Canadians.
Frankly I am puzzled by these facts....I always thought that religious folk are more law abiding than others
My favorite answer on this thread is: It's a known fact, it's harder to kill your girlfriend in a fit of rage with the lacross stick in your closet than with the pistol in your bed side drawer
On reading the latest statistics something struck me as very odd....
In the last 25 years the U.S. has gotten tough on crime...it is the only western country with the death penalty....federal and state governments imposed brutal sentences , built harsh prisons and cut parole. It incarceration rate is now six times higher than the rate in Canada.....yet when comparing homicide rates in those two countries you'll find that the murder rate in Canada is 1.85 per 100,000 people. While in the U.S. it is 5.6...more than 3 times the Canadian rate..
But when you look at the statistics about church attendence you'll find that on a per capita basis the U.S. leads by 3 to 1...in other words Amercans are more religious than Canadians.
Frankly I am puzzled by these facts....I always thought that religious folk are more law abiding than others
My favorite answer on this thread is: It's a known fact, it's harder to kill your girlfriend in a fit of rage with the lacross stick in your closet than with the pistol in your bed side drawer
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August 7th, 2007, 11:55 AM
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
Quoting peapod
No, it isn't. Most Caribbean countries have it, too.
This is a thread from another forum
the U.S. has gotten tough on crime...it is the only western country with the death penalty....
the U.S. has gotten tough on crime...it is the only western country with the death penalty....
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
Theism Exorcist
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August 7th, 2007, 12:45 PM
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Quoting Curiosity
Pat Robertson then MO 84
Al Sharpton doesn't even believe Al Sharpton.
Al Sharpton doesn't even believe Al Sharpton.
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August 7th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Quoting Blackleaf
Yeah I hear the crime rate in Rwanda is low. With the exception of murder that is.
No, it isn't. Most Caribbean countries have it, too.
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
Theism Exorcist
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August 7th, 2007, 01:03 PM
Quoting Blackleaf
We have a case study to the south with much harsher sentences and a much higher crime rate.
No, it isn't. Most Caribbean countries have it, too.
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
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August 7th, 2007, 01:05 PM
I'll settle for lower violent crime, most of the other stuff is subjective. If we legalized drugs all of a sudden it wouldn't be part of our crime rate anymore.
As for easier to kill in rage with a gun than a blunt object. It seems you don't understand rage. Your bare hands are all you need if your enraged. And more often than a gun, thats the case.
Quoting Blackleaf
Whats worse, High crime or High Violent Crime?
No, it isn't. Most Caribbean countries have it, too.
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
Though, regarding Canada's high crime rate, it is actually in the Top 10 of the countries with the world's highest crime rates. That's what happens when crimes are "punished" with soft sentences.
I'll settle for lower violent crime, most of the other stuff is subjective. If we legalized drugs all of a sudden it wouldn't be part of our crime rate anymore.
As for easier to kill in rage with a gun than a blunt object. It seems you don't understand rage. Your bare hands are all you need if your enraged. And more often than a gun, thats the case.
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August 7th, 2007, 01:29 PM
Well hey we are doing pretty damn good at killing one another without having the right to bear arms in our charter....
Not dissing the yanks for that, after all iot was something they put in there cause the red coats banned arms......
I think for us to have a crime rate that high in a country that 35 years had what total 20 murders a year or less...hell that's now a slow weekend at jane and finch
Well hey we are doing pretty damn good at killing one another without having the right to bear arms in our charter....
Not dissing the yanks for that, after all iot was something they put in there cause the red coats banned arms......
I think for us to have a crime rate that high in a country that 35 years had what total 20 murders a year or less...hell that's now a slow weekend at jane and finch
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August 7th, 2007, 01:35 PM
A reply I received from 'Curiosity':
Gregg: Hello and welcome! A couple of thoughts when I read this request...
I don't know if you selected the thread or your question was put here among some very old discussions..
Thought one: why aren't you putting your query on Google or other search engines???
My second thought: I automatically (as we do in the western nations perhaps) thought of Christian or Jewish religions ... and then...
My third thought: Does this include Islamic Fundamental Religious groups? I mean they are a 'religion' are they not? However I understand in many nations including Britain one is not allowed
to secregate Islamic/Muslim from another other grouping - as part of the politically correct dogmatic thema which has now become fundamental and rather a religious devotion in itself...
Didn't answer your question - but if you look to the recent terrorism we are all experiencing around the world .... well I leave it up to the readers...
Interestingly, my question did not enter into biased divisions of any nature whatsoever. Thus 'Dear Curiosity' please come down to the more global and just aspects of Life in answering my question. I do not within me know the differences you apparently have burning in you. Thus, I am not interested in going into discusions on 'Terrorism', nor dividing 'religion' in any manner other than with regards to the 'Statistics' I requested above. Nevertheless, your reply has somewhat added another solid block into the complex structure of understanding reasons.
Does any one have an idea as to where I could locate the 'Staistics' I mentioned above.
Thank you.
Gregg
A reply I received from 'Curiosity':
Gregg: Hello and welcome! A couple of thoughts when I read this request...
I don't know if you selected the thread or your question was put here among some very old discussions..
Thought one: why aren't you putting your query on Google or other search engines???
My second thought: I automatically (as we do in the western nations perhaps) thought of Christian or Jewish religions ... and then...
My third thought: Does this include Islamic Fundamental Religious groups? I mean they are a 'religion' are they not? However I understand in many nations including Britain one is not allowed
to secregate Islamic/Muslim from another other grouping - as part of the politically correct dogmatic thema which has now become fundamental and rather a religious devotion in itself...
Didn't answer your question - but if you look to the recent terrorism we are all experiencing around the world .... well I leave it up to the readers...
Interestingly, my question did not enter into biased divisions of any nature whatsoever. Thus 'Dear Curiosity' please come down to the more global and just aspects of Life in answering my question. I do not within me know the differences you apparently have burning in you. Thus, I am not interested in going into discusions on 'Terrorism', nor dividing 'religion' in any manner other than with regards to the 'Statistics' I requested above. Nevertheless, your reply has somewhat added another solid block into the complex structure of understanding reasons.
Does any one have an idea as to where I could locate the 'Staistics' I mentioned above.
Thank you.
Gregg
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August 7th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Gregg
Re my first thought in my response to you: Curio
Thought one: why aren't you putting your query on Google or other search engines???
Here are some choices:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search
Gregg
Re my first thought in my response to you: Curio
Thought one: why aren't you putting your query on Google or other search engines???
Here are some choices:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search
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August 7th, 2007, 02:34 PM
"Whats worse, High crime or High Violent Crime?
I'll settle for lower violent crime, most of the other stuff is subjective. If we legalized drugs all of a sudden it wouldn't be part of our crime rate anymore."
Stats Canada doesn't include drug crime in its crime rate stats. Go figure. I can only imagine our numbers if it did.
"Whats worse, High crime or High Violent Crime?
I'll settle for lower violent crime, most of the other stuff is subjective. If we legalized drugs all of a sudden it wouldn't be part of our crime rate anymore."
Stats Canada doesn't include drug crime in its crime rate stats. Go figure. I can only imagine our numbers if it did.
