Member
Posts: 58 
Location: Red Deer Alberta
Location: Red Deer Alberta
July 17th, 2004, 07:03 PM
The alienation of the west has unfortunately not stopped as a result of this election that just has passed. We are now stuck with a minority government under control by the liberals and the ndp who will skillfully work together in driving this country especially the west into the hole. We will be sending the Paul Martin and fans our approval for continued sucking up to Quebec and Ontario. When will the west get what the east gets? When will we see our share of federal money .!. you can answer that if there is another election called soon.
WHY CANADA WHY??? Stephen Harper would have given us all equal treatment and say enough of the east ruling this great country. Enough of the seperatists making ruthless demands on our country and getting special treatment. ENOUGH!
I say next election, we vote for who will put CANADA back -on- track. Unfortunately this time where change could have happened just kept us behind.
The alienation of the west has unfortunately not stopped as a result of this election that just has passed. We are now stuck with a minority government under control by the liberals and the ndp who will skillfully work together in driving this country especially the west into the hole. We will be sending the Paul Martin and fans our approval for continued sucking up to Quebec and Ontario. When will the west get what the east gets? When will we see our share of federal money .!. you can answer that if there is another election called soon.
WHY CANADA WHY??? Stephen Harper would have given us all equal treatment and say enough of the east ruling this great country. Enough of the seperatists making ruthless demands on our country and getting special treatment. ENOUGH!
I say next election, we vote for who will put CANADA back -on- track. Unfortunately this time where change could have happened just kept us behind.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
July 18th, 2004, 12:48 AM
Stephen Harper would have sold us to the Americans in less than a month, then borrowed massively to create a military that would be little more than cannon fodder, likely from friendly fire, for the USA's imperialist adventures abroad.
Harper lost the election because 70% of eligible Canadian voters were not myopic enough to mark an X by the little miscreants name. He didn't even get 50% of the popular vote in Alberta.
Instead of blaming everybody else for Harper's loss, why don't you guys suck it up and face the truth...you lost because most Canadians, all across the country, did not agree with your agenda.
Stephen Harper would have sold us to the Americans in less than a month, then borrowed massively to create a military that would be little more than cannon fodder, likely from friendly fire, for the USA's imperialist adventures abroad.
Harper lost the election because 70% of eligible Canadian voters were not myopic enough to mark an X by the little miscreants name. He didn't even get 50% of the popular vote in Alberta.
Instead of blaming everybody else for Harper's loss, why don't you guys suck it up and face the truth...you lost because most Canadians, all across the country, did not agree with your agenda.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,172
July 18th, 2004, 09:53 AM
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In the same vein as the Dieppe raid, perhaps.
Stephen Harper would have sold us to the Americans in less than a month, then borrowed massively to create a military that would be little more than cannon fodder, likely from friendly fire, for the USA's imperialist adventures abroad.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,065
Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
July 20th, 2004, 02:34 PM
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Go hide a corner already. 50% of your own province did'nt even vote for him. You are not talking on behalf of the west. We don't get our share of federal money either... It sucks, stop thinking your special.
The alienation of the west has unfortunately not stopped as a result of this election that just has passed. We are now stuck with a minority government under control by the liberals and the ndp who will skillfully work together in driving this country especially the west into the hole. We will be sending the Paul Martin and fans our approval for continued sucking up to Quebec and Ontario. When will the west get what the east gets? When will we see our share of federal money .!. you can answer that if there is another election called soon.
WHY CANADA WHY??? Stephen Harper would have given us all equal treatment and say enough of the east ruling this great country. Enough of the seperatists making ruthless demands on our country and getting special treatment. ENOUGH!
I say next election, we vote for who will put CANADA back -on- track. Unfortunately this time where change could have happened just kept us behind.
WHY CANADA WHY??? Stephen Harper would have given us all equal treatment and say enough of the east ruling this great country. Enough of the seperatists making ruthless demands on our country and getting special treatment. ENOUGH!
I say next election, we vote for who will put CANADA back -on- track. Unfortunately this time where change could have happened just kept us behind.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,076
Location: Victoria, B.C.
Location: Victoria, B.C.
July 20th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I think we have an ideal government situation for the west right now. With a minority government they are watching their heels, and none of them can have too much power.
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Quit whining.
When will the west get what the east gets? When will we see our share of federal money .!.
I think we have an ideal government situation for the west right now. With a minority government they are watching their heels, and none of them can have too much power.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
July 31st, 2004, 09:44 PM
The point is that Harper's support is not solid at all. He's too far to the right to appeal to many red tories, he has no hope of pulling any Liberals over to his side.
Most of Canada, including Alberta and BC favour Canadian socialism over American laissez faire capitalism. Harper represents the latter to a great degree and cannot gain the support of the majority of Canadians as a result. The man's running in the wrong country.
The point is that Harper's support is not solid at all. He's too far to the right to appeal to many red tories, he has no hope of pulling any Liberals over to his side.
Most of Canada, including Alberta and BC favour Canadian socialism over American laissez faire capitalism. Harper represents the latter to a great degree and cannot gain the support of the majority of Canadians as a result. The man's running in the wrong country.
Newbie
Posts: 26
August 1st, 2004, 09:27 PM
2. Albertans have consistantly shown just the opposite, at the local, provincial and national levels.
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Neither is Paul Martin's. Or Jack Layton's, for that matter.
The point is that Harper's support is not solid at all.
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1. The two countries are not nearly so different as you would purport.
Most of Canada, including Alberta favour Canadian socialism over American laissez faire capitalism.
2. Albertans have consistantly shown just the opposite, at the local, provincial and national levels.
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Demonize your ideological opponents and compare them unfavourably to foreign sterotypes. How nice.
The man's running in the wrong country
Super Genius
Posts: 1,172
August 1st, 2004, 09:51 PM
Spock, if a Vulcan were a human, he would be a psychogenic paranoid case. Give me an honestly committed Romulan, anyday.
You would need to be an American to appreciate how vastly different you Canadians are, and how any Canadian longing to be American is just socially reject.
And I mean that in the nicest possible way, with all due respect, EH?
Spock, if a Vulcan were a human, he would be a psychogenic paranoid case. Give me an honestly committed Romulan, anyday.
You would need to be an American to appreciate how vastly different you Canadians are, and how any Canadian longing to be American is just socially reject.
And I mean that in the nicest possible way, with all due respect, EH?
Newbie
Posts: 26
August 1st, 2004, 10:07 PM
In any case, Mr. Harper is hardly a "Canadian longing to be an American."
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And preferably such an unbiased observer as yourself?
You would need to be an American to appreciate how vastly different you Canadians are,
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You think I don't know that? So much for warm, friendly Canada.
and how any Canadian longing to be American is just socially reject.
In any case, Mr. Harper is hardly a "Canadian longing to be an American."
Member
Posts: 85
Location: Nova Scotia
Location: Nova Scotia
August 1st, 2004, 11:03 PM
Bull, you have keep using your deviant "those who did not vote" numbers" as if they actually mean something to democracy. It sucks they don't participate and they should but its impossible to tell how they would vote.
As I said in another thread they are at best intangible and suspect to apprasial by those whose cause it suits:
As far as what you say about the Conservative party, you clearly how the party works or the underlying people who form it. Or where its support comes from in the first place. Lots of Red tories left the party, most stayed. What is suspect about what you say here is saying how the blue (rightist) liberals are any different than red tories to their respective parties. Do you know how small c conservative the Ontario caucus of the Liberal party is after this election? Blue Liberals and Red Tories are the same ideologically and switch parties often in the past even when Stephen Harper was not leader.
The blue liberals left the liberal party en masse this past election and its funny how no one talks about it nearly as much.
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The point is that Harper's support is not solid at all. He's too far to the right to appeal to many red tories, he has no hope of pulling any Liberals over to his side.
Bull, you have keep using your deviant "those who did not vote" numbers" as if they actually mean something to democracy. It sucks they don't participate and they should but its impossible to tell how they would vote.
As I said in another thread they are at best intangible and suspect to apprasial by those whose cause it suits:
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I don't know if I made an apprasial per se but I can say with 100% certainty it is impossible to weigh the possible results of those people who are not voting. Fruthermore, as I said as far as Canadian democracy is concerned, if they are not voting they do not exist. Have you ever canvassed for a political party? Perhaps the largest percentage of a demographic that does not vote are youth but that does not mean the majority. I would say that equal amounts of conservative voters also do not vote for sometimes completely different reasons across the demographic spectrum (youth included).
I agree with you that there are most certainly a lot of NDP voters or Marxists or what have you who are very aware and are not voting. There are also a lot of possible Christian heritage party supporters who either don't vote for them or don't vote at all for the same reason.
There are also a lot of very aware Conservatives and Liberals who just don't go out to the polls because the results are so predictable its not even worth casting a ballot. I know had I not been so involved in the political process I would not have even voted since my riding was such a foregone conclusion as to who was going to win.
Fact of the matter is that the Conservatives gained an amazing 61% of the popular vote in Alberta. Stonger than the Liberals anywhere or the Bloc in Quebec.I don't know if I made an apprasial per se but I can say with 100% certainty it is impossible to weigh the possible results of those people who are not voting. Fruthermore, as I said as far as Canadian democracy is concerned, if they are not voting they do not exist. Have you ever canvassed for a political party? Perhaps the largest percentage of a demographic that does not vote are youth but that does not mean the majority. I would say that equal amounts of conservative voters also do not vote for sometimes completely different reasons across the demographic spectrum (youth included).
I agree with you that there are most certainly a lot of NDP voters or Marxists or what have you who are very aware and are not voting. There are also a lot of possible Christian heritage party supporters who either don't vote for them or don't vote at all for the same reason.
There are also a lot of very aware Conservatives and Liberals who just don't go out to the polls because the results are so predictable its not even worth casting a ballot. I know had I not been so involved in the political process I would not have even voted since my riding was such a foregone conclusion as to who was going to win.
As far as what you say about the Conservative party, you clearly how the party works or the underlying people who form it. Or where its support comes from in the first place. Lots of Red tories left the party, most stayed. What is suspect about what you say here is saying how the blue (rightist) liberals are any different than red tories to their respective parties. Do you know how small c conservative the Ontario caucus of the Liberal party is after this election? Blue Liberals and Red Tories are the same ideologically and switch parties often in the past even when Stephen Harper was not leader.
The blue liberals left the liberal party en masse this past election and its funny how no one talks about it nearly as much.
Member
Posts: 85
Location: Nova Scotia
Location: Nova Scotia
August 1st, 2004, 11:14 PM
You can claim till the cows come home about these people who are not voting, are. Fact of the matter is until they vote, then you don't have one shred of proof to back up such a bogus arguement.
I don't know anyone who is pro democractic complacency who is involved with politics. By all means, spend tons to get these people out to vote and make it as easy as possible. Just don't claim to represent them in the mean time....
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Nonsense, every amount of actual electoral data in the last century from Alberta and non- GVA BC has pronounced a 180 degree vision from what you claim is truth.
Most of Canada, including Alberta and BC favour Canadian socialism over American laissez faire capitalism. Harper represents the latter to a great degree and cannot gain the support of the majority of Canadians as a result. The man's running in the wrong country.
You can claim till the cows come home about these people who are not voting, are. Fact of the matter is until they vote, then you don't have one shred of proof to back up such a bogus arguement.
I don't know anyone who is pro democractic complacency who is involved with politics. By all means, spend tons to get these people out to vote and make it as easy as possible. Just don't claim to represent them in the mean time....
