Stephen Harper as PM

[T. Rex]

Does anybody in this forum agree that Stephen Harper will make a much better PM than Paul Martin?

Is it fair to say he will make some much needed changes in Canada?

What do you think of his current platform?

Is there something you want to see thrown out or added to his platform and his partys platform?





I think he will make Canada proud.

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

I think Harper would be the downfall of the Canada we love and cherish. He will finish what Mulroney started, giving Canada away to the Americans. He will make the rest of the world hate us as they now hate the Americans. He will take away many of our social programs for the sake of lower taxes, even though we need the programs and the taxes are quite bearable. He will be Canada's Tony Blair, nothing but a Bush toady.

In the final analysis, and in my view, Harper isn't Canadian in his thinking, for Canadians still have a strong sense of caring, of humanity, and this is reflected in our strongly socialist governmental policies. I'd not change that for the world.

 

[NSSM]

I firmly believe that there is only one true candidate in this election and that is Paul Martin. I am a Paul Martin fan, but in all honesty I think it's tragic that there is only one good candidate. Why don't people realize that the current Conservative Party is nothing but a fragmented version of the Alliance/Reform party. There is little or nothing left of the former Progressive Conservative feel and yet, they are obviously trying to ride that into some votes as well. I was never much of a fan of the former P.C.s, but they were light years ahead of any opposition the Liberals are confronted with today. June 28th will be a sad day in our history if the Conservatives win the election. I am quite embarassed by the choices in Canada these days. If it were not for the Martin Liberals, I would be afraid of the future.

 

[Andem]

Paul Martin is not a viable option.. Not in my books.

Paul Martin and Stephen Harper are both pretty much in the same boat. I've said before, but I will repeat: They are both in it for personal and corporate gain, that's where it ends. Neither care about Canadians and their future.

(by the way, welcome to Canadian Content NSSM)

 

[Diamond Sun]

Stephen Harper is an excellent choice for those who value americanization over canadian identity, for those who no longer wish to be welcomed into other countries when travelling, for those who long to wear the stars and stripes with pride, for those who are taking backwards steps in tolerance and acceptance, for those who support tax cuts for big business, for those who see the $2 billion invested in the Canadian military as necessary and more important than health care, and for those who are anxious to join in slaughtering and humiliating the people of Iraq.

Stephen Harper will erase what makes Canadians separate from the Americans and will redraw a country that only George W Bush could be proud of.

If you value all the above, then by all means, vote for Stephen Harper, for he is your man.

 

[Andem]

I probably could not have expressed myself as well as you just did, Diamond Sun. I totally agree.

 

[NSSM]

Thank you, for the warm welcome, Andem. I'm curious, if you feel that Martin and Harper are equally bad, what do you think the alternative is? I don't think the NDP has the right vision to lead, although they would certainly change the social policy of the country. What are your thoughts?

 

[Andem]

NSSM: You can always vote the smaller independant parties. Here are some:

Canadian Action Party
The Green Party
Communist Party (that's _NOT_ an endorsement)
Marxist-Lenin Party (same as above)
Marijuana Party
Progressive Canadian Party
Your local Independant


Each vote goes to support the party that you are voting for, even if they don't get in. It would be especially helpful if Canada were to turn to proportional representation.

A vote for the NDP would give them more say and help offset the power handed to Martin or Harper. And I don't endorse the NDP either.

 

[moghrabi]

let's go communist this time ladies and gentlemen. I am voting for communist party for the first time in my life. I always voted for these big parties and nothing good came from them. So I am not wasting my vote on them again even if I know in my heart that the communist party will never win. In addition, they can give the finger to the American administration for me.

 

[Numure]

A few of my friends are actually running for the communist party in Montreal... :roll:

 

[Reverend Blair]

I see the NDP as a perfectly viable option to lead the country, NSSM. They've shown quite clearly here and in Saskatchewan that they can manage an economy. They have done that in spite of some pretty hard times including droughts, floods, BSE, ridiculous transfer payment systems (for every dollar Saskatchewan gets in oil money it must send $1.08 to Ottawa) and the almost-total non-cooperation of the business communty.

The biggest problem with Harper is that he's following the same formula that is failing in the US. He doesn't just want to Americanise us, he only wants to give us the worst parts of the US.

Look at the things he's said, look at his platform. These are the same basic policies that have driven the US deeply into debt, gotten them involved in an illegal war, and made them almost universally disliked around the world. If Harper gets a majority government, that will be what Canada looks like.

Martin is no bargain either. He's all for missile defense. He hired Lockheed-Martin, an American company, to work on the Canadian census. The Liberals have put through a couple of rights-raping "security" bills. They've introduced the gun registry...gun control that doesn't work and costs a lot of money.

If you don't like the NDP, then by all means vote for any of the alternative parties. Don't vote for the Liberals or Conservatives though...a vote for Martin or Harper is a vote to bring George Bush's Amerika to your house.

 

[American Voice]

Please pardon me if this sounds impertinent, but is Harper a puppet of the expatriate Hong Kong financiers who siezed control of British Columbia?

 

[TenPenny]

Paul Martin is, of course, a member of the corporate elite; however he does still have those core values: medicare is important, for example. (Remember it was his father who was instrumental in making Tommy Douglas' medicare program a National reality. And you remember who Tommy Douglas was? That's right, Keifer Sutherland's grandfather) He is pretty much a typical Liberal.

Harper, on the other hand, is an extremely right wing guy. He wants fixed election dates (why? because the US has them). He somehow believes the solution to everything is lower taxes (why? because the US does). He says on the one hand that any government programs for regional development are dangerous, and on the other runs around in the election campaign promising money to everyone. His theory is typical of what comes out of Alberta: now that Alberta has "made it", everyone there thinks that it's somehow due to their own individual effort, and that nothing the government did or provided (railways? immigration? farm subsidies?) allowed them to grow, so therefore government is useless and should not do anything for anyone.

Harper has that little smile, reminds me of Donald Rumsfeld's "smug bastard" look. They're both hiding something. You figure out what it is. I don't trust him as far as I can spit.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Please pardon me if this sounds impertinent, but is Harper a puppet of the expatriate Hong Kong financiers who siezed control of British Columbia?

Nothing so exotic, American Voice. Harper is an ideologue who believes in a combination of unfettered capitalism and the imposition of strict, far-right Christianity as a way to govern a country.

His main motivations are personal greed, the greed of his corporate buddies when it comes to financial matters. His sure knowledge that his own sweet, white Jesus who surely had blonde hair and blue eyes and never was a Jew controls his thoughts on social issues.

Where the two meet and/or conflict, his greed takes over.

He is actually very much like George Bush.

 

[Roy_Whyte]

For everything you want to know of Harper look at:

Campbell
Klein
Harris/Eves
Thatcher
Bush Jr

He exemplifies each of those people to some degree, but most of all think - Mulroney.

Right-wing voodoo economics and tax cuts uber alles. Screw the poor - its your fault for being born poor. Screw the international community - Harpers wearing the kneepads for America and he plans on using them till they're worn out. Screw Canada's proud socialist history - he has right-wing dogma in mind for all of us.

Pray we get a minority government, that way it will fall in due time, the Conservatives will go the way fo the last Conservative government - down to 2 seats and we can then get back on track to making Canada THE PREMIER middle power once again.

Vote ABLOC - anybody but Liberal or Conservative!

 

[American Voice]

I seem to vaguely remember a man by the name of Joe Clark, leader of something called the Prairie Rebellion sometime in the 70's. He was Prime Minister in Ottawa for about ten minutes, before they sent him packing back to--was it Edmonton. Something about a secession by western provinces, hogging the oil industry revenues, and withholding taxes from the dominant party in Ontario. Someone fill me in. Does Harper represent a revival of that movement, from the 70's?

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

Harper has that little smile, reminds me of Donald Rumsfeld's "smug bastard" look. They're both hiding something.

Yes! Thank you. It has been driving me mad, trying to think where I had seen that smarmy little smirk. You're right, it was right there on Rumsfeld's face all along.

The photo of Harper on the cover of June 14ths Time magazine is downright creepy. If that picture was a word and I saw it in our Word Association thread, I'd've said, 'Hitler'. And yes, of course that is a kneejerk reaction, but it was the first word that came to mind when I saw the photo.

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

If you live in British Columbia and are amongst the three people in the whole province who like what Gordon Campbell has done, you should vote for Stephen Harper, for they are two peas out of the same pod.

 

[Koga Ringo]

He will make the rest of the world hate us as they now hate the Americans.

The only reason Canada is so loved by other cultures and nations, is because they are better to immigrants than their citizens.
The main goal of a country should be THEIR citizens first, then immigrants.

There is a progam that brings in about 7% of all annual immigrants to Canada that are in unhumain situations. Sure that sounds great, but do you really know how many people die on the street or die from lack of health care due to Paul Martin and his Liberal bandits stealing $250,000,000,000 from Canadian Tax payers, it really gets you thinking.

These people are given full access to everything a Citizen is, including Welfare, which all of them go on for a very very long time.
A lot of money comes out of Canadian pockets to aid the mistakes of other countries.

I may sound horrible, but if you do the math, is it really worth it?

Canadians still have a strong sense of caring, of humanity

When should that be above saving OUR starving people!?!

I'd not change that for the world.

I'd change it in a second.

 

[Koga Ringo]

Yes! Thank you. It has been driving me mad, trying to think where I had seen that smarmy little smirk. You're right, it was right there on Rumsfeld's face all along.

So, your judging someone by their appearance...
Interesting.

The photo of Harper on the cover of June 14ths Time magazine is downright creepy. If that picture was a word and I saw it in our Word Association thread, I'd've said, 'Hitler'.

I cannot believe you said that...
Please try to base your argument on facts, and realistic opinions rather than some ridiculas impulse.
It just makes the other person not want to waste their time debating with a child.

Proof:

And yes, of course that is a kneejerk reaction, but it was the first word that came to mind when I saw the photo.