Leadership Debate

Andem

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It will on tonight in English on CTV at 8 p.m. ET, Tuesday, June 15.

They say 1/3 of voters can still be swayed, so we'll see how they all perform tonight. I only watched some of the French debate, so the English one should be good.

I can still be swayed. But I will not vote for Harper in any circumstances. I wouldn't want to get beat up for having an opinion Harper doesn't agree with.
 

Numure

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I watched the french debate, as it is the only one that talks about us. So many times, all leaders refered to us as Québécois, and the rest as Canadians. Finaly, some recognition.
 

EternalSunshine

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I watched the debate last night, in French. Throughout the evening Harper had this little smile, I wasn't sure if it was creepy or condescending, but man! it was annoying. Maybe it was just because he was the least comfortable of the four speaking French. I just wonder if he'll have it tonight.

Watching the debate did not influence my decision who to vote for at all.
 

Bobby_Morgan

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Two debates, two languages and four parties. if you ask me i can comprehend the actual pupose of these debates. sure they give us a sense of which leader has been prepared the best, but not all leader are involved. i have a hard time believing in a national debate where not every party registered in the federal election is repersented. then even if not everyone is repersented why thin is a party whose election goal is shaped solely on the seperation on canada allowed to partake and sharade on stage. it is clear that these election debates are supposed to maintain a standard that gives canadians a better idea of who they are to vote for, but with one party on stage haveing the exact opposite goal that path becomes foggy. for me it is unclear who to vote for, but i can tell you who i will not vote for; a party that wishes to allow the middle income family to finance the country, and allow the higher income to continue to reiceve huge tax breaks, i will not vote for a party whose leader says small town canadians are lazy and that they are sink hole for federal dollars, and finally i will not vote for and regionalised parties. whose left is who i will vote for if i decide to vote. "This election is not about voting for the best party, the leader who is best, it is about voting for the party who is least evil, the leader who is least evil"
 

Numure

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You know what I appreciate about the Bloc, how much they talk about Québec, in the anglophone debate, because of its presence.

And mister Margan, the bloc, even though it is a seperatist party, participates in the debates because since its creation, it always had between 30-54 seats in the house of commons. More then the NDP, and even enough to be the official opposition in 1993.
 

T. Rex

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Stephen Harper was byfar the best performer at the debate. Instead of butting in and making it impossible to hear other people. Mr. Harper simply made his point when everybody else finally shut up.

Good going Stephen! Our new prime minister.
 

Reverend Blair

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You know what I appreciate about the Bloc, how much they talk about Québec, in the anglophone debate, because of its presence.

You know what I hate about politics? I grew up in Saskatchewan and moved to Manitoba. I watched both debates and we were never mentioned, not once. About a month ago there was a panel on CBC discussing western alienation. All the panel members were from Alberta and BC. The west starts about ten minutes east of my house, there's a sign marking the longitudinal centre of Canada.

I know we don't have a really high population in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, but we supply your food and a reasonably-sized chunk of your energy.

Stephen Harper was byfar the best performer at the debate.

Stephen Harper, when making his closing statements, sounded like a man about to go back to the dressing room and punch the wall. He got whipped on social issues and his economic policies were brough into question. Gilles Duceppe accused him of blowing George Bush, albeit eloquently.

Harper appeared rude, smug and evasive in both debates. The only thing saving him is lack lustre performances by Martin and Layton.
 

Numure

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Reverend Blair said:
I know we don't have a really high population in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, but we supply your food and a reasonably-sized chunk of your energy.

For the food, you are right. But for the energy, sorry. You are quite wrong. Québec doesnt import any electricity. We actually export roughly 30% of it. We pay lower for electricity then you do, in Manitoba.
 

thoughtful

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Isn't it funny how we seem to see things differently through our own rose coloured glasses. I thought Martin looked beleagered, frustrated .... Jack Layton looked and sounded like a slimey, smug snake oil salesman ... Duceppe - narrow minded and with a huge chip on his shoulder ... Harper looked pretty good to me.

The moderator seemed to wait too long before interrupting because no one could be heard. A good bit of the time they were all babbling.

No props! How funny was that?
 

thoughtful

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Did I hear something like this? Harper says he'd like to have a $2000 child tax credit that young families can spend how they see fit. I thought I heard the other candidates say that was not right. But then didn't Layton say that we need government funding because day care can cost $1000?
Hey maybe we could use that $2000 to have our kids looked after by whomever we want!
 

Numure

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thoughtful said:
Did I hear something like this? Harper says he'd like to have a $2000 child tax credit that young families can spend how they see fit. I thought I heard the other candidates say that was not right. But then didn't Layton say that we need government funding because day care can cost $1000?
Hey maybe we could use that $2000 to have our kids looked after by whomever we want!
It can cost 1000$ per month for daycare in the rest of Canada. In québec, it was 5$ a day, now 7$ thanks to Charests Liberals (A former conservative mind you). 2000$ child tax credit, where do you think he is going to get the money? By cutting services given to poor and lower middle class families. A tax credit, means people that payat least 2000$ in taxes to the federal goverment, won't be paying it. Thats all... So the poor and lower middle class are left out.
 

Andem

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Numure: You know what the politicians say, especially in debates like this, are all lies and pathetic attempts at gaining more votes. Unfortunately, people buy into a lot of what Harper or Martin say.

It's people like us, all of us here, who learn more about their real plans and can judge their real goals while in power. We can't be psychic and decide whether Harper will implement childcare nationwide. We can be pretty sure that Martin is lying, though. Him and his liberal party has lied about this exact same topic in the past.

I think we CAN say that, in fact that, Harper OR Martin would work towards the goals of their friendly corporations and their financial supporters. The needs and wants of corporations and our American business partners to the south don't have the same wants or needs as Canadians... The Canadian people.
 

ThorsHamburger

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thoughtful said:
Isn't it funny how we seem to see things differently through our own rose coloured glasses. I thought Martin looked beleagered, frustrated .... Jack Layton looked and sounded like a slimey, smug snake oil salesman ... Duceppe - narrow minded and with a huge chip on his shoulder ... Harper looked pretty good to me.

The moderator seemed to wait too long before interrupting because no one could be heard. A good bit of the time they were all babbling.

No props! How funny was that?

I saw it the same way.
 

ThorsHamburger

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thoughtful said:
Did I hear something like this? Harper says he'd like to have a $2000 child tax credit that young families can spend how they see fit. I thought I heard the other candidates say that was not right. But then didn't Layton say that we need government funding because day care can cost $1000?
Hey maybe we could use that $2000 to have our kids looked after by whomever we want!

Exactly.

Layton really showed himself for the communist he is by insisting we should not have any privatization of our health care.Thats just the tip of his socialist iceberg. Apparently he feels that he has the right to tell me how and where I should spend MY money. Asshole.
 

thoughtful

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I don't want anybody to give me money for child care. Let me keep the money I make and I'll look after my own kids.


It just seems so simple to me that by the time the tax money trickles down through all the various layers of bureacracy, advisors, administrators etc there is very little of your child care dollar actually spent on caring for the children.
 

Numure

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thoughtful said:
I don't want anybody to give me money for child care. Let me keep the money I make and I'll look after my own kids.


It just seems so simple to me that by the time the tax money trickles down through all the various layers of bureacracy, advisors, administrators etc there is very little of your child care dollar actually spent on caring for the children.

Well, what about the less fortunate people in society? By your moral code, we should just let their children down? Let the parents down?

Here, in Quebec, we have a goverment daycare system. Its one of the best systems in the world. And guess what, its payed by all who pay taxes, and all levels of society (rich ir poor) benefit from it. It works, contrary to what you might think.
 

Reverend Blair

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It is considered one of the best on the planet, Numure, just as our helath care was when it was properly funded.

Harper doesn't care about children though. Or adults. Or anything that doesn't have an immediate financial return.
 

thoughtful

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Well, what about the less fortunate people in society? By your moral code, we should just let their children down? Let the parents down?


I don't understand this reference. We often made just over the poverty level. How was finding my own babysitter letting my children down? Government assisted daycare was very expensive and you had to be poorer than we were to get any assistance. And I don't think my "moral code" enters into this discussion at all.


I'd still like someone to respond to this notion ..... It just seems so simple to me that by the time the tax money trickles down through all the various layers of bureacracy, advisors, administrators etc there is very little of your child care dollar actually spent on caring for the children........

And I don't just mean child care. In any service, the more hands it passes through, the less there is left.


I'm happy that Quebec has a system that works well and is good for families however you'll never make me believe that if tax payers pay x billion dollars toward child care, x billion dollars is actually in the buildings and care givers.