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Posts: 25 
June 17th, 2004, 07:35 AM
Well, what about the less fortunate people in society? By your moral code, we should just let their children down? Let the parents down?
I don't understand this reference. We often made just over the poverty level. How was finding my own babysitter letting my children down? Government assisted daycare was very expensive and you had to be poorer than we were to get any assistance. And I don't think my "moral code" enters into this discussion at all.
I'd still like someone to respond to this notion ..... It just seems so simple to me that by the time the tax money trickles down through all the various layers of bureacracy, advisors, administrators etc there is very little of your child care dollar actually spent on caring for the children........
And I don't just mean child care. In any service, the more hands it passes through, the less there is left.
I'm happy that Quebec has a system that works well and is good for families however you'll never make me believe that if tax payers pay x billion dollars toward child care, x billion dollars is actually in the buildings and care givers.
Well, what about the less fortunate people in society? By your moral code, we should just let their children down? Let the parents down?
I don't understand this reference. We often made just over the poverty level. How was finding my own babysitter letting my children down? Government assisted daycare was very expensive and you had to be poorer than we were to get any assistance. And I don't think my "moral code" enters into this discussion at all.
I'd still like someone to respond to this notion ..... It just seems so simple to me that by the time the tax money trickles down through all the various layers of bureacracy, advisors, administrators etc there is very little of your child care dollar actually spent on caring for the children........
And I don't just mean child care. In any service, the more hands it passes through, the less there is left.
I'm happy that Quebec has a system that works well and is good for families however you'll never make me believe that if tax payers pay x billion dollars toward child care, x billion dollars is actually in the buildings and care givers.
Member
Posts: 63
June 17th, 2004, 08:12 AM
The problem with Health care is very simple.
It has to do with fiscal imbalance. That's been proven by numerous reports. Séguin, now finance minister in Quebec for the Liberals, explained very clearly few years ago that the money is in Ottawa and the needs are in the Provinces. The Romanow commission says basically the same thing. The federal government must spend money in the Health care system by returning back part of the surplus to the provinces.
It has nothing to do with Jack Layton's being a asshole or the failure of socialism.
The provinces have the expertise to properly manage hundreds of hospitals and medical centres, and Ottawa have never come to manage more than three hospitals?
Health is the business of the provinces. If the West wants to privatize their system, that's their business, but we won't let you apply your american-like ideology to the rest of Canada and destroy one of the best and the most generous Health system in the world.
If you want to let poor children die in the streets while eating caviar and drinking champagne. If that's really what you want, well I don't and I won't let it be, because I've got the power to vote against it.
The problem with Health care is very simple.
It has to do with fiscal imbalance. That's been proven by numerous reports. Séguin, now finance minister in Quebec for the Liberals, explained very clearly few years ago that the money is in Ottawa and the needs are in the Provinces. The Romanow commission says basically the same thing. The federal government must spend money in the Health care system by returning back part of the surplus to the provinces.
It has nothing to do with Jack Layton's being a asshole or the failure of socialism.
The provinces have the expertise to properly manage hundreds of hospitals and medical centres, and Ottawa have never come to manage more than three hospitals?
Health is the business of the provinces. If the West wants to privatize their system, that's their business, but we won't let you apply your american-like ideology to the rest of Canada and destroy one of the best and the most generous Health system in the world.
If you want to let poor children die in the streets while eating caviar and drinking champagne. If that's really what you want, well I don't and I won't let it be, because I've got the power to vote against it.
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Posts: 27
June 17th, 2004, 09:51 AM
Jack Layton is an asshole for not allowing private health care to exist besides public. He would essentially decide for Canadians how they should spend their money. What business is it of Jack Layton how I spend my money or how I access health care?
If I want to open up my own wallet and get an elective procedure done with my own money why shouldnt I be albe to? Because some others cant? Whats next is Jack going to tell me I cant I cant by a nice car because not everyone can or a nice house?
Guys like Jack are bad for Canada. He would seek to limit Canadians options because not everyone can access those options. When you limit peoples options you liit there imaginations and creativity.
Imagine a Canada where you have a public system and a private system. Instead of Canadians and others around the world going to the US for procedures, they would come to Canada.Just like people come to Canadato set up and access other businesses like movie making they would come here and spend their money here. A whole industry would be created where specialists and nurses would want to stay here instead of moving to the US.
This is whats possible when you add to peoples options and not take them away.
Jack Layton is an asshole for not allowing private health care to exist besides public. He would essentially decide for Canadians how they should spend their money. What business is it of Jack Layton how I spend my money or how I access health care?
If I want to open up my own wallet and get an elective procedure done with my own money why shouldnt I be albe to? Because some others cant? Whats next is Jack going to tell me I cant I cant by a nice car because not everyone can or a nice house?
Guys like Jack are bad for Canada. He would seek to limit Canadians options because not everyone can access those options. When you limit peoples options you liit there imaginations and creativity.
Imagine a Canada where you have a public system and a private system. Instead of Canadians and others around the world going to the US for procedures, they would come to Canada.Just like people come to Canadato set up and access other businesses like movie making they would come here and spend their money here. A whole industry would be created where specialists and nurses would want to stay here instead of moving to the US.
This is whats possible when you add to peoples options and not take them away.
