Newbie
Posts: 15 
June 12th, 2004, 05:06 PM
Yes, Capitalism got us our polluting technology, but it will get us out of it. If people become aware and concerned about pollution and the environment, then having a system like Capitalism where it's the people that run the show is going to be more suitable for us to get out of it. It's going to get us out of this pollution rut much faster than having to elect politicians and governments. Capitalism is a system which works according to the people's ever changing inclinations and ideals.
Really? You did your objective research and yet you still support systems which are anti-individualism, and thus anti-freedom? You are the first.
Yes, Capitalism got us our polluting technology, but it will get us out of it. If people become aware and concerned about pollution and the environment, then having a system like Capitalism where it's the people that run the show is going to be more suitable for us to get out of it. It's going to get us out of this pollution rut much faster than having to elect politicians and governments. Capitalism is a system which works according to the people's ever changing inclinations and ideals.
Really? You did your objective research and yet you still support systems which are anti-individualism, and thus anti-freedom? You are the first.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
June 12th, 2004, 07:18 PM
There is nothing anti-individualistic or anti-freedom about the NDP, Dingbat. In fact if you actually look at who stood up first and most against recent attempts to curtail our individual rights, you will find that it was the NDP.
Corporations have worked tirelessly to keep environmental legislation from being passed. When they cannot block it, they seek to weaken it.
Do you not have access to the media where you are?
There is nothing anti-individualistic or anti-freedom about the NDP, Dingbat. In fact if you actually look at who stood up first and most against recent attempts to curtail our individual rights, you will find that it was the NDP.
Corporations have worked tirelessly to keep environmental legislation from being passed. When they cannot block it, they seek to weaken it.
Do you not have access to the media where you are?
Bright Spark
Posts: 314
June 14th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Will market forces get us out of this mess considering it is because of these forces is why we are here?
Paul Roberts offers good analysis of this very subject in his The END of OIL: On the Edge of a Perilous New World.
The cost to pollute (carbon - which is the basic of cheap energy) is very cheap. Market forces won't change until it is too expensive to pollute and money will have to be made by cleaner fuels. It is all about money.
This change in market forces won't happen unless governments make it expensive to pollute and use enegy wastefully.
We need a Marshall Plan initiated by the governments to hang the carrot for market forces to follow.
The key question is whether the governments have the wherewithall to make this 'right turn' of change.
No. It is all about money and power - Wall Street and Big Money - Capitalism. Oil is big money. The voters of the coal states influence an energy policy that includes very polluting coal.
Kyoto with its best intentions was again, about Europe versus America. Geopolitical posturing to ensure economic advantage over the other party.
There is much very wrong with our world and capitalism and it's market forces will not solve it - not in the few years that we have left to make for an orderly change.
Will market forces get us out of this mess considering it is because of these forces is why we are here?
Paul Roberts offers good analysis of this very subject in his The END of OIL: On the Edge of a Perilous New World.
The cost to pollute (carbon - which is the basic of cheap energy) is very cheap. Market forces won't change until it is too expensive to pollute and money will have to be made by cleaner fuels. It is all about money.
This change in market forces won't happen unless governments make it expensive to pollute and use enegy wastefully.
We need a Marshall Plan initiated by the governments to hang the carrot for market forces to follow.
The key question is whether the governments have the wherewithall to make this 'right turn' of change.
No. It is all about money and power - Wall Street and Big Money - Capitalism. Oil is big money. The voters of the coal states influence an energy policy that includes very polluting coal.
Kyoto with its best intentions was again, about Europe versus America. Geopolitical posturing to ensure economic advantage over the other party.
There is much very wrong with our world and capitalism and it's market forces will not solve it - not in the few years that we have left to make for an orderly change.
