May 15th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Al-Qaeda says Canada deserves bombing
Jihad spokesman says Canadians were mean to Khadrs
Stewart Bell
National Post
Saturday, May 15, 2004
Karim Khadr, 14, who was paralyzed when shot in the spine by Pakistani security forces last year near the border with Afghanistan, has returned home to Canada for medical treatment. His father was killed in the gun battle.
CREDIT: Aaron Harris, Canadian Press
[ PHOTO REMOVED ]
ISLAMABAD - The Al-Qaeda terror network views Canada as a legitimate target because it is a "selfish" nation committing "terrorism" against Muslims around the world, an unofficial spokesman for jihadists waging holy war against the West said Friday.
Khalid Khawaja, a friend of Osama bin Laden's who calls the Saudi terrorist and his followers "the most wonderful people of the world," told the National Post that Canadians should not be surprised if suicide bombers want to strike their country.
"It is very simple," he said. "As Bush says, either you are a friend or you are an enemy. So if you are not my friend, you are our enemy. So it is very simple. When you are supporting the enemy [the United States] then you are a target."
He also said Canada was hated because of its military presence in Afghanistan and its treatment of the Khadr family, notably Abdul Karim, the teen who set off a public outcry when he returned to Toronto for medical treatment after he was wounded in a shootout in Pakistan that left his al-Qaeda father dead.
"Look at these Canadians. They have millions and millions of dollars to fight against Muslims, to send their troops, to send their weapons, and all of them put together, they have objections to giving treatment to this 14 year-old-boy who has been a victim of your terrorism."
Bin Laden first publicly encouraged attacks against Canada in a statement broadcast on Nov. 12, 2002. In March, 2004, an al-Qaeda manual posted on the Internet ranked Canadians as the fifth most important targets.
But al-Qaeda and its ideological theorists have provided little explanation as to why. Canada did not send troops to Iraq, its foreign policy is not particularly pro-Israel and Ottawa has not been overly aggressive in fighting terror.
A top Canadian terrorism expert said Mr. Khawaja's comments were typical of the way al-Qaeda followers view the world, as divided between two conflicting religious and cultural camps: Dar ul-Islam, the perfect Muslim world, and Dar ul-Harb, the immoral rest of the world.
"Canada, as a secular democratic society, is by definition assigned to Dar ul-Harb. From the perspective of al-Qaeda and associated Islamic militants, it is incumbent upon Muslims to wage a jihad, a holy war, against Dar ul-Harb in order to destroy its perceived evils and transform those societies into Dar ul-Islam," said Professor Martin Rudner.
"According to this doctrine, Canada is a religiously sanctioned target for terrorism, suicide bombing and political violence," said Prof. Rudner, Director of the Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies at Carleton University's Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.
A Canadian intelligence report written shortly after bin Laden first urged attacks against Canada said the country was singled out "in view of its support of the U.S." The more recent al-Qaeda manual explains only that Canada is a "Christian" country.
According to a translation of an article written by Abu Ayman al-Hilali, a senior al-Qaeda leader and ideologist, the United States, Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany, and Australia are "enemies" and attacks against their civilians are justified. Since Western governments are engaged in a war against Islam, he argued, the civilian voters who elect those governments cannot be considered non-combatants and are legitimate targets for terrorists.
In an interview in Islamabad yesterday, Mr. Khawaja, who fought with bin Laden in Afghanistan and openly admits he supports jihad activities, provided a rare explanation of why terrorists wish to bring violence to Canada.
Suicide bombers are simply fighting back against the Western assault on their faith and Canadians should just learn to "take it," he said.
"Today you have the power in your hand. The other day the suicide bomber also has power. So you use your cruise missiles and atom bombs and all that, so he uses his power. So why do you cry at that time? When you say we are fighting a war against you, so better take it then.
"They are also fighting a war against you. They are fighting their way, you are fighting your way. So let's be happy. But only thing is, your faces are pulled down, you are scared, sitting in America and Canada. You are scared of a man sitting in the cave."
"We are not scared of you."
He described life as a "cage" and a "prison" from which he hoped to escape. "We love it like we want to live in a toilet, and we just want to get out of it." And the best way to leave life is in jihad, he said. "So how can you fight with us?"
Mr. Khawaja would not say when he last spoke with bin Laden but his recent activities include helping the families of al-Qaeda members killed in a 1998 U.S. cruise missile strike on a terror training camp in Afghanistan, and helping the Khadr family of Ontario.
The return of Mrs. Khadr and her youngest son Abdul Karim to Canada, and the broadcast of comments in which the mother and her daughter praised suicide bombings, outraged many Canadians. Thousands signed a petition calling for the deportation of the family.
"You have paralyzed [Abdul Karim], your system has paralyzed him -- although of course he's been paralyzed by Pakistan Army, but it was under order of this coalition. To me I call them governments of terrorists, the coalition of terrorists.
"So you paralyzed this boy with no thought, you paralyzed his father with no thought, now the whole Canadian nation put together, they are bothered about taxpayers' money, that this boy should not be treated with this money.
"You have all the money to kill the people, you have all the billions of dollars to make the people slaves, you have billions of dollars to torture the people, you have billions of dollars to put up in the media to create false enemies and you have no money to give treatment to one of your victims. So what treatment do you deserve?
"Your civilization is selfish and self-centred. Just you want to live and enjoy yourselves and that is all, you don't give."
He said terrorist attacks would end only when the West stopped trying to dominate the Muslim world.
"We don't believe in killing innocent people but we would certainly like to send you into the Stone Age the same way you have sent us into the Stone Age."
© National Post 2004
Original Story: http://www.canada.com/national/natio...2-12d25afe4ebe
Al-Qaeda says Canada deserves bombing
Jihad spokesman says Canadians were mean to Khadrs
Stewart Bell
National Post
Saturday, May 15, 2004
Karim Khadr, 14, who was paralyzed when shot in the spine by Pakistani security forces last year near the border with Afghanistan, has returned home to Canada for medical treatment. His father was killed in the gun battle.
CREDIT: Aaron Harris, Canadian Press
[ PHOTO REMOVED ]
ISLAMABAD - The Al-Qaeda terror network views Canada as a legitimate target because it is a "selfish" nation committing "terrorism" against Muslims around the world, an unofficial spokesman for jihadists waging holy war against the West said Friday.
Khalid Khawaja, a friend of Osama bin Laden's who calls the Saudi terrorist and his followers "the most wonderful people of the world," told the National Post that Canadians should not be surprised if suicide bombers want to strike their country.
"It is very simple," he said. "As Bush says, either you are a friend or you are an enemy. So if you are not my friend, you are our enemy. So it is very simple. When you are supporting the enemy [the United States] then you are a target."
He also said Canada was hated because of its military presence in Afghanistan and its treatment of the Khadr family, notably Abdul Karim, the teen who set off a public outcry when he returned to Toronto for medical treatment after he was wounded in a shootout in Pakistan that left his al-Qaeda father dead.
"Look at these Canadians. They have millions and millions of dollars to fight against Muslims, to send their troops, to send their weapons, and all of them put together, they have objections to giving treatment to this 14 year-old-boy who has been a victim of your terrorism."
Bin Laden first publicly encouraged attacks against Canada in a statement broadcast on Nov. 12, 2002. In March, 2004, an al-Qaeda manual posted on the Internet ranked Canadians as the fifth most important targets.
But al-Qaeda and its ideological theorists have provided little explanation as to why. Canada did not send troops to Iraq, its foreign policy is not particularly pro-Israel and Ottawa has not been overly aggressive in fighting terror.
A top Canadian terrorism expert said Mr. Khawaja's comments were typical of the way al-Qaeda followers view the world, as divided between two conflicting religious and cultural camps: Dar ul-Islam, the perfect Muslim world, and Dar ul-Harb, the immoral rest of the world.
"Canada, as a secular democratic society, is by definition assigned to Dar ul-Harb. From the perspective of al-Qaeda and associated Islamic militants, it is incumbent upon Muslims to wage a jihad, a holy war, against Dar ul-Harb in order to destroy its perceived evils and transform those societies into Dar ul-Islam," said Professor Martin Rudner.
"According to this doctrine, Canada is a religiously sanctioned target for terrorism, suicide bombing and political violence," said Prof. Rudner, Director of the Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies at Carleton University's Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.
A Canadian intelligence report written shortly after bin Laden first urged attacks against Canada said the country was singled out "in view of its support of the U.S." The more recent al-Qaeda manual explains only that Canada is a "Christian" country.
According to a translation of an article written by Abu Ayman al-Hilali, a senior al-Qaeda leader and ideologist, the United States, Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany, and Australia are "enemies" and attacks against their civilians are justified. Since Western governments are engaged in a war against Islam, he argued, the civilian voters who elect those governments cannot be considered non-combatants and are legitimate targets for terrorists.
In an interview in Islamabad yesterday, Mr. Khawaja, who fought with bin Laden in Afghanistan and openly admits he supports jihad activities, provided a rare explanation of why terrorists wish to bring violence to Canada.
Suicide bombers are simply fighting back against the Western assault on their faith and Canadians should just learn to "take it," he said.
"Today you have the power in your hand. The other day the suicide bomber also has power. So you use your cruise missiles and atom bombs and all that, so he uses his power. So why do you cry at that time? When you say we are fighting a war against you, so better take it then.
"They are also fighting a war against you. They are fighting their way, you are fighting your way. So let's be happy. But only thing is, your faces are pulled down, you are scared, sitting in America and Canada. You are scared of a man sitting in the cave."
"We are not scared of you."
He described life as a "cage" and a "prison" from which he hoped to escape. "We love it like we want to live in a toilet, and we just want to get out of it." And the best way to leave life is in jihad, he said. "So how can you fight with us?"
Mr. Khawaja would not say when he last spoke with bin Laden but his recent activities include helping the families of al-Qaeda members killed in a 1998 U.S. cruise missile strike on a terror training camp in Afghanistan, and helping the Khadr family of Ontario.
The return of Mrs. Khadr and her youngest son Abdul Karim to Canada, and the broadcast of comments in which the mother and her daughter praised suicide bombings, outraged many Canadians. Thousands signed a petition calling for the deportation of the family.
"You have paralyzed [Abdul Karim], your system has paralyzed him -- although of course he's been paralyzed by Pakistan Army, but it was under order of this coalition. To me I call them governments of terrorists, the coalition of terrorists.
"So you paralyzed this boy with no thought, you paralyzed his father with no thought, now the whole Canadian nation put together, they are bothered about taxpayers' money, that this boy should not be treated with this money.
"You have all the money to kill the people, you have all the billions of dollars to make the people slaves, you have billions of dollars to torture the people, you have billions of dollars to put up in the media to create false enemies and you have no money to give treatment to one of your victims. So what treatment do you deserve?
"Your civilization is selfish and self-centred. Just you want to live and enjoy yourselves and that is all, you don't give."
He said terrorist attacks would end only when the West stopped trying to dominate the Muslim world.
"We don't believe in killing innocent people but we would certainly like to send you into the Stone Age the same way you have sent us into the Stone Age."
© National Post 2004
Original Story: http://www.canada.com/national/natio...2-12d25afe4ebe
May 15th, 2004, 12:49 PM
I've seen this posted elsewhere, and you know it doesnt surprise me these terrorists accuse Canada of anything. Though we didn't goto war in Iraq, we did goto war in Afghanistan for this "War on Terrorism" (Is it war on terror, or war on terrorism... all of these news organisations confuse me!).
Popular propaganda states (and/or suggests) the war on terrorism includes the war in Iraq. Big big difference to those that don't already know.
Anyhow, what's your impression of this?
I've seen this posted elsewhere, and you know it doesnt surprise me these terrorists accuse Canada of anything. Though we didn't goto war in Iraq, we did goto war in Afghanistan for this "War on Terrorism" (Is it war on terror, or war on terrorism... all of these news organisations confuse me!).
Popular propaganda states (and/or suggests) the war on terrorism includes the war in Iraq. Big big difference to those that don't already know.
Anyhow, what's your impression of this?
Super Genius
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Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
May 15th, 2004, 01:01 PM
It's a war on poor people being waged by both sides against those stuck in the middle.
Of course Canada is a target. We are seen by much of the world as little more than a satellite state of the US.
The recent revelation of possible war crimes by the JTF 2 isn't going to help either.
It is very important that we not tossout our rights and resist any sort of racial or religious profiling though.
It's a war on poor people being waged by both sides against those stuck in the middle.
Of course Canada is a target. We are seen by much of the world as little more than a satellite state of the US.
The recent revelation of possible war crimes by the JTF 2 isn't going to help either.
It is very important that we not tossout our rights and resist any sort of racial or religious profiling though.
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Location: Red Deer Alberta
Location: Red Deer Alberta
May 24th, 2004, 03:37 AM
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numore, iraq will never be fertile ground for terrorism ever again. saddam land was a better place for terrorism but now with US forces in control there will be peace for the Iraqi people and we will see a rise in prosperity in the whole region. It is too bad Canada was left out of Iraq because our coward prime minister Jean Chretien stood up against what is right for the world. Canada will be missing out on a bright future in the middle east now, but it's not too late. We must get responsable government to increase our ties with our friends and brothers of America and other countries around the world. Canada has to start making sense. We are not making sense now with Liberal rule and socialist behaviour. Get it right.
The war on terrorism is the Americans war... We got draged into it... And it made us a target.. Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. Though now, with saddam gone, Iraq is fertile grounds for terrorist... What an irony..
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May 24th, 2004, 03:52 AM
Bin laden had nothing to do with IRAQ. IRAQ had nothing to do with global terrorism until the united states decided to attack. USA destabalized that region and opened it up for terrorist cells to operate. Im very very proud of Canada for staying out of IRAQ and i wish that BUSH would have listened to the UN's ruling.
I believe Canada is a target according to bin ladden and the other bastard terrorists because of us joining the war on terror in affganistan and our historic close ties to USA, their number 1 enemy. I supported the affgan war, afgan truely was a torn country with numourous terrorist camps.
Bin laden had nothing to do with IRAQ. IRAQ had nothing to do with global terrorism until the united states decided to attack. USA destabalized that region and opened it up for terrorist cells to operate. Im very very proud of Canada for staying out of IRAQ and i wish that BUSH would have listened to the UN's ruling.
I believe Canada is a target according to bin ladden and the other bastard terrorists because of us joining the war on terror in affganistan and our historic close ties to USA, their number 1 enemy. I supported the affgan war, afgan truely was a torn country with numourous terrorist camps.
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Location: Red Deer Alberta
May 24th, 2004, 03:57 AM
why are you posting GUEST? who are you and what is your background. You are wrong. Canada should have been with America on this war in Iraq. We have freed the people from a brutal brutal dictator who was a threat to the whole world.
why are you posting GUEST? who are you and what is your background. You are wrong. Canada should have been with America on this war in Iraq. We have freed the people from a brutal brutal dictator who was a threat to the whole world.
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May 24th, 2004, 04:06 AM
As to why im posting? Is this not a community forum?
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It was not our place or USA's place to do that, decisions like that fall upon the united nations. We have the UN for a reason. I agree that suddam had to go, but not like this. Our country, CANADA, are peacekeepers. We dont start or prevoke wars, we help keep the peace. I do not support ANY war at all unless it is the last resort. There are always peacefull solutions to problems, its the Canadian way to find them before commiting to action.
why are you posting GUEST? who are you and what is your background. You are wrong. Canada should have been with America on this war in Iraq. We have freed the people from a brutal brutal dictator who was a threat to the whole world.
As to why im posting? Is this not a community forum?
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Location: Red Deer Alberta
Location: Red Deer Alberta
May 24th, 2004, 04:27 AM
We keep peace yes. We make this world a better place keeping peace. But saddam husein was not keeping peace and he killed his own people. He is gone now, and it had to be done sooner or later. and its better sooner. thanks.
Saddam was a threat to our whole world. would you rather sacrafice our people of north america or break outdated laws to rescue the world from a person like saddam?
Its a simple simple philosophy.
We keep peace yes. We make this world a better place keeping peace. But saddam husein was not keeping peace and he killed his own people. He is gone now, and it had to be done sooner or later. and its better sooner. thanks.
Saddam was a threat to our whole world. would you rather sacrafice our people of north america or break outdated laws to rescue the world from a person like saddam?
Its a simple simple philosophy.
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May 24th, 2004, 06:04 AM
Yet another Al-Qaeda threat...
Of course, they are saying this because Canada has been supporting the USA in the war against terrorism (which I do think is right). But, I doubt that Canada will actually have a bombing take place, or if there is one, hopefully it'll be small. We can hope for the best.
Yet another Al-Qaeda threat...
Of course, they are saying this because Canada has been supporting the USA in the war against terrorism (which I do think is right). But, I doubt that Canada will actually have a bombing take place, or if there is one, hopefully it'll be small. We can hope for the best.
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May 24th, 2004, 08:11 AM
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You are so dam blind. No terrorist ever came from Iraq before the war, and Al Queida was never there in the past. Iraq, was the less religious Middle eastern country. Now, its fertile grounds for terrorist, and will be for the next decades.
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numore, iraq will never be fertile ground for terrorism ever again. saddam land was a better place for terrorism but now with US forces in control there will be peace for the Iraqi people and we will see a rise in prosperity in the whole region. It is too bad Canada was left out of Iraq because our coward prime minister Jean Chretien stood up against what is right for the world. Canada will be missing out on a bright future in the middle east now, but it's not too late. We must get responsable government to increase our ties with our friends and brothers of America and other countries around the world. Canada has to start making sense. We are not making sense now with Liberal rule and socialist behaviour. Get it right.
The war on terrorism is the Americans war... We got draged into it... And it made us a target.. Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. Though now, with saddam gone, Iraq is fertile grounds for terrorist... What an irony..
Super Genius
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Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
May 24th, 2004, 08:12 AM
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It wasnt our war. And, he wasnt a treat to anyone anymore. Only to his own people.
why are you posting GUEST? who are you and what is your background. You are wrong. Canada should have been with America on this war in Iraq. We have freed the people from a brutal brutal dictator who was a threat to the whole world.
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Location: Port Alberni, BC
Location: Port Alberni, BC
May 24th, 2004, 02:37 PM
Nice to see some informed people about IRAQ. If you wernt brain washed by bush's campaign you would know that Iraq was stable and didnt have any terrorist ties, infact Bin Laden and suddam were enemy's. You cant just invade and force democrecy on people. Democracy is one of the hardest government types to run and cost the most. USA could never accomplish this alone, thats why this should have been a UN call, not USA's. IRAQ will always be a terrorist breeding grounds now, and im glad our Canadian soldiers are alive, well, and out of Iraq.
Nice to see some informed people about IRAQ. If you wernt brain washed by bush's campaign you would know that Iraq was stable and didnt have any terrorist ties, infact Bin Laden and suddam were enemy's. You cant just invade and force democrecy on people. Democracy is one of the hardest government types to run and cost the most. USA could never accomplish this alone, thats why this should have been a UN call, not USA's. IRAQ will always be a terrorist breeding grounds now, and im glad our Canadian soldiers are alive, well, and out of Iraq.
May 24th, 2004, 03:15 PM
It is correct, also, to say that since the US military have ravaged and pillaged Iraqi property, and commited atrocities inside and outside of the prisons. That is where terrorism starts, and the United States has just given more power to the cause of terrorism, atleast in this part of the world. The middle east will see more terrorists emerging to fight against the US administration and military.
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That is 100% true. It is a very common misconception supported in full by the US administration. The whole war in Iraq was thrown under the banner of 'the war on terrorism' to help gain support for such an illegal and immoral war.
You are so dam blind. No terrorist ever came from Iraq before the war, and Al Queida was never there in the past. Iraq, was the less religious Middle eastern country. Now, its fertile grounds for terrorist, and will be for the next decades.
It is correct, also, to say that since the US military have ravaged and pillaged Iraqi property, and commited atrocities inside and outside of the prisons. That is where terrorism starts, and the United States has just given more power to the cause of terrorism, atleast in this part of the world. The middle east will see more terrorists emerging to fight against the US administration and military.
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May 24th, 2004, 08:52 PM
I use a US and Canada flag together because we are nations that should be hand in hand. Why do everyone here hate America so much? They are our best friends in the world and we should all recognise that. They did not stab them in the back because if our government is subsidizing our softwood or other industries its not fair to american companies. They are just protecting themselfs and we shall do the same if they subsidize an industry.
America's military did not ravige or pillage anything. its just the abuse in prisons is are isolate incidents be aware of that.
It was not our war but it was Americas war and we should have helped them do it. It had to be done. George W Bush saved the world from an evil man like saddam husein.
I use a US and Canada flag together because we are nations that should be hand in hand. Why do everyone here hate America so much? They are our best friends in the world and we should all recognise that. They did not stab them in the back because if our government is subsidizing our softwood or other industries its not fair to american companies. They are just protecting themselfs and we shall do the same if they subsidize an industry.
America's military did not ravige or pillage anything. its just the abuse in prisons is are isolate incidents be aware of that.
It was not our war but it was Americas war and we should have helped them do it. It had to be done. George W Bush saved the world from an evil man like saddam husein.
May 25th, 2004, 12:26 AM
T. Rex. Canadian and the United States are not hand in hand. They will never be.
Why would we want to help a madman like George W Bush to perform an illegal war? It's against the laws we should all live by and you bet yourself that we'll be seeing George "double-ya" infront of an international court when his term is done.
They DID ravage and pillage towns, cities, infrastructure, homes... anything you can think of - the Americans are responsible for. Get YOUR facts right.
Do best friends blackmale and stab you in the back? Do they threaten you constantly? Do they use YOU for their own personal gain. Get your facts straight buddy.
T. Rex. Canadian and the United States are not hand in hand. They will never be.
Why would we want to help a madman like George W Bush to perform an illegal war? It's against the laws we should all live by and you bet yourself that we'll be seeing George "double-ya" infront of an international court when his term is done.
They DID ravage and pillage towns, cities, infrastructure, homes... anything you can think of - the Americans are responsible for. Get YOUR facts right.
Do best friends blackmale and stab you in the back? Do they threaten you constantly? Do they use YOU for their own personal gain. Get your facts straight buddy.
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Location: Winnipeg
May 25th, 2004, 06:19 AM
There is example after example of the US perpetrating or being complicit in atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan, T. Rex. There are plenty of links here and elsewhere that show that. Do your research.
There is also no link between Osama and Saddam. Even the Bush administration has backed off that little lie. Osama is fighting a religious war because he's a religious zealot, Saddam ruled the most secular country in the Middle East and did so with great brutality for a reason that George Bush should understand very well...greed.
Not only is it good that Canada stayed out of Iraq, we should refuse to go into Iraq until the US is gone. They went in for the wrong reasons (oil and greed), fought the "war" in an extremely ugly and legally questionable manner (DU weapons and dropping cluster bombs in civilian neighbourhoods), have committed several war crimes since the war ended and the occupation began (the list starts with guarding the Ministry of Oil while hospitals were being looted and continues through the torture of prisoners), and show no signs of repentance (they are still trying to dodge US citizens being held liable for war crimes).
The US should be our friend, but we all had friends growing up who took the wrong path. Most of us distanced ourselves from those friends so we wouldn't be dragged down with them. If those friends came to their senses, we welcomed them back with open arms. Canada needs to take that same simple strategy with the US.
There is example after example of the US perpetrating or being complicit in atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan, T. Rex. There are plenty of links here and elsewhere that show that. Do your research.
There is also no link between Osama and Saddam. Even the Bush administration has backed off that little lie. Osama is fighting a religious war because he's a religious zealot, Saddam ruled the most secular country in the Middle East and did so with great brutality for a reason that George Bush should understand very well...greed.
Not only is it good that Canada stayed out of Iraq, we should refuse to go into Iraq until the US is gone. They went in for the wrong reasons (oil and greed), fought the "war" in an extremely ugly and legally questionable manner (DU weapons and dropping cluster bombs in civilian neighbourhoods), have committed several war crimes since the war ended and the occupation began (the list starts with guarding the Ministry of Oil while hospitals were being looted and continues through the torture of prisoners), and show no signs of repentance (they are still trying to dodge US citizens being held liable for war crimes).
The US should be our friend, but we all had friends growing up who took the wrong path. Most of us distanced ourselves from those friends so we wouldn't be dragged down with them. If those friends came to their senses, we welcomed them back with open arms. Canada needs to take that same simple strategy with the US.
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May 26th, 2004, 08:09 PM
T REX.
You say that you freed Iraqi people from a dictotor to put another colonial power in place that has more spphisticated way of torture than Saddam regime. I don't think Iraq is a better place now. It is worse than before and Americans are going to leave with their pants down.
T REX.
You say that you freed Iraqi people from a dictotor to put another colonial power in place that has more spphisticated way of torture than Saddam regime. I don't think Iraq is a better place now. It is worse than before and Americans are going to leave with their pants down.
