April 16th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Original article at http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/itemid174.html
Tiny Minority Attempts to Decide Canada's Future
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By Roy Whyte
April 14, 2004 (CDM / CC) - A cabal known as the Canadian Council of Chief Executives is undertaking nefarious moves to put an end run on both democracy and the citizens of Canada. The premier lobby group in Canada, the CCCE, is advancing their personal agendas at the expense of all Canadians.
The CCCE has unleashed their 'Deep Integration' war plan. Putting a friendly face to the colonization of Canada by calling the plan - "New Frontiers: Building A 21st Century Canada-United States Partnership In North America", they are hoping to achieve the undoing of generations of Canadians. The plan should be called - "New Frontiers: Building the Colony of Canada".
The leader of these quislings is Tom d'Aquino, who is well known for his disdain of Canada and Canadians in general. This latest move the CCCE is no different. Let us remember this in NOT an American lead initiative, but purely a move by wealthy Canadian based CEOs who are showing just how out of touch with most Canadians they really are.
Just short of pre-emptive surrender, this plan is disturbing to say the least.
Why should Canadians care? It is outrageous for a small group of large unaccountable corporations to be deciding Canada's future. As well, despite common perceptions trade is a relatively small part of Canada's economy, and we should not be sacrificing our sovereignty AND democracy for a small group of large corporations. Last but certainly not least, is that the very nucleus of the 'Deep Integration' scheme goes against the values of the majority of Canadians.
Just what is being pushed by the CCCE and their comprehensive and far-reaching plan? The most troubling aspects of the plan include six major danger signs.
First is the Canadian participation in the National Missile Defence scheme. For those that have been paying close attention, you will already know that this NMD scheme certainly includes the weaponization of space, and tremendous amounts of money to be spent on technology that even parts of the American defence community admit are not ready for use. Some parts will not even be technically feasible any time soon.
It is pretty safe to say most Canadians would agree - it's not Canadian to put weapons in space.
Second danger sign is the expansion of NORAD, which as proposed will also include Canadian land and sea forces. Just how much say is tiny Canada going to have over the elephant to the south?
Should blowback from the pre-emptive strategy adopted by the Bush government be Canada's burden? No matter what you think about that question, the CCCE seems determined to make the decision for you.
The third concern comes from the creation of a biometric identification card that can be used in either country. Can you say George Orwell? It is already being dubbed the 'North American' pass, otherwise stating the complete obvious - a total loss of Canadian identity.
Shouldn't private Canadian information stay in Canada? This concern is only magnified with the United States Patriot Act, which unmistakably spells out that any information in such a program can and would be utilized by the United States military apparatus. That utilization is in no way accountable to the Canadian populace or even the Canadian government.
The fourth major cause of concern comes in the continued giveaway of our second most precious resource. The CCCE scheme outlines a plan to expedite the development of the Alberta oil stands, the Mackenzie Delta petroleum and gas deposits and the Arctic coast natural gas reserves to "reinforce Canada's role as a secure supplier of energy to North America."
Considering the already high costs of energy to Canadians for our own supply this would only hasten the cost increases over the long term. Instead of saving the supply for Canadian use, they want to appease the world's largest oil glutton. Included in this concern are the NAFTA clauses, which ensure the energy pigs a constant supply of our resource no matter how low supply gets, or high the prices become for Canadians down the road. Currently this clause sits at 60% and it has been increasing over the years.
Who needs natural gas more, Canadians living in our cold weather climate or the people of Atlanta to heat their pools? The time is coming when Canadians will have to decide whether they want to freeze or eat! In essence our energy conservation and security be damned.
Another concern for Canadians in regards to the CCCE plan is the harmonization of environmental standards between the two countries. This would prove to be disastrous to many regions of Canada.
Since George Bush was elected he has systematically dismantled environmental regulations of all types. Environmental groups and even scientists have been very outspoken about the damage that is happening as a result of his rolling back of environmental regulations. Such regulations MUST be decided upon in a democratic fashion in our own Parliaments whether it be provincial or federal, not by the U.S. Congress and their lobby groups.
Maybe the most astounding segment of the scheme includes guaranteed access to Canadian fresh water. How long will it be before giant American corporations who are unaccountable to Canadians start shipping our most precious resource by pipeline? Maybe another 60% clause like oil is in order?
Besides the CEO for Canada in Paul Martin, Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham has openly stated that he wants to go much further than integrating trade and tariffs, into integrating our social policies as well! Showing that he has little consideration for Canadian society, Bill Graham will have you waving the American flag in a clear cut while waving goodbye to your sons or daughters while they are being shipped off overseas to fight in another of Georges' wars.
For those that hold out hope for the Liberal Party of Canada to not go along with the CCCE sellout plan - don't hold your breath. Paul's track record speaks for itself.
The CCCE has a definite friend in Prime Minister Paul Martin, after all these are his brethren. It appears once again that Paul is set to deliver on everything the minority wants at the expense of the majority.
As finance minister Paul was asked to drop corporate taxes, and he did. He dropped them to 21% while the U.S. corporations still pay 35%. What was that about having to compete? Paul did not stop there of course; he also slashed social spending by 40%, at the behest of the same CCCE.
So why is that the CCCE is pushing this agenda to destroy Canada? To get even richer of course! Another new record for corporate profits last year doesn't seem to be enough; its greed and lust run rampant.
Statistics Canada shows that in 2001 just 4% of all Canadian businesses accounted for 82% of exports. Low and behold the vast majority of those 4% are members of the CCCE. Talk about self-serving.
The whole scheme boils down to a move to further enrich a small handful of Canadian corporations at the total expense of every Canadian, our very democracy and our sovereignty.
Original article at http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/itemid174.html
Tiny Minority Attempts to Decide Canada's Future
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Roy Whyte
April 14, 2004 (CDM / CC) - A cabal known as the Canadian Council of Chief Executives is undertaking nefarious moves to put an end run on both democracy and the citizens of Canada. The premier lobby group in Canada, the CCCE, is advancing their personal agendas at the expense of all Canadians.
The CCCE has unleashed their 'Deep Integration' war plan. Putting a friendly face to the colonization of Canada by calling the plan - "New Frontiers: Building A 21st Century Canada-United States Partnership In North America", they are hoping to achieve the undoing of generations of Canadians. The plan should be called - "New Frontiers: Building the Colony of Canada".
The leader of these quislings is Tom d'Aquino, who is well known for his disdain of Canada and Canadians in general. This latest move the CCCE is no different. Let us remember this in NOT an American lead initiative, but purely a move by wealthy Canadian based CEOs who are showing just how out of touch with most Canadians they really are.
Just short of pre-emptive surrender, this plan is disturbing to say the least.
Why should Canadians care? It is outrageous for a small group of large unaccountable corporations to be deciding Canada's future. As well, despite common perceptions trade is a relatively small part of Canada's economy, and we should not be sacrificing our sovereignty AND democracy for a small group of large corporations. Last but certainly not least, is that the very nucleus of the 'Deep Integration' scheme goes against the values of the majority of Canadians.
Just what is being pushed by the CCCE and their comprehensive and far-reaching plan? The most troubling aspects of the plan include six major danger signs.
First is the Canadian participation in the National Missile Defence scheme. For those that have been paying close attention, you will already know that this NMD scheme certainly includes the weaponization of space, and tremendous amounts of money to be spent on technology that even parts of the American defence community admit are not ready for use. Some parts will not even be technically feasible any time soon.
It is pretty safe to say most Canadians would agree - it's not Canadian to put weapons in space.
Second danger sign is the expansion of NORAD, which as proposed will also include Canadian land and sea forces. Just how much say is tiny Canada going to have over the elephant to the south?
Should blowback from the pre-emptive strategy adopted by the Bush government be Canada's burden? No matter what you think about that question, the CCCE seems determined to make the decision for you.
The third concern comes from the creation of a biometric identification card that can be used in either country. Can you say George Orwell? It is already being dubbed the 'North American' pass, otherwise stating the complete obvious - a total loss of Canadian identity.
Shouldn't private Canadian information stay in Canada? This concern is only magnified with the United States Patriot Act, which unmistakably spells out that any information in such a program can and would be utilized by the United States military apparatus. That utilization is in no way accountable to the Canadian populace or even the Canadian government.
The fourth major cause of concern comes in the continued giveaway of our second most precious resource. The CCCE scheme outlines a plan to expedite the development of the Alberta oil stands, the Mackenzie Delta petroleum and gas deposits and the Arctic coast natural gas reserves to "reinforce Canada's role as a secure supplier of energy to North America."
Considering the already high costs of energy to Canadians for our own supply this would only hasten the cost increases over the long term. Instead of saving the supply for Canadian use, they want to appease the world's largest oil glutton. Included in this concern are the NAFTA clauses, which ensure the energy pigs a constant supply of our resource no matter how low supply gets, or high the prices become for Canadians down the road. Currently this clause sits at 60% and it has been increasing over the years.
Who needs natural gas more, Canadians living in our cold weather climate or the people of Atlanta to heat their pools? The time is coming when Canadians will have to decide whether they want to freeze or eat! In essence our energy conservation and security be damned.
Another concern for Canadians in regards to the CCCE plan is the harmonization of environmental standards between the two countries. This would prove to be disastrous to many regions of Canada.
Since George Bush was elected he has systematically dismantled environmental regulations of all types. Environmental groups and even scientists have been very outspoken about the damage that is happening as a result of his rolling back of environmental regulations. Such regulations MUST be decided upon in a democratic fashion in our own Parliaments whether it be provincial or federal, not by the U.S. Congress and their lobby groups.
Maybe the most astounding segment of the scheme includes guaranteed access to Canadian fresh water. How long will it be before giant American corporations who are unaccountable to Canadians start shipping our most precious resource by pipeline? Maybe another 60% clause like oil is in order?
Besides the CEO for Canada in Paul Martin, Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham has openly stated that he wants to go much further than integrating trade and tariffs, into integrating our social policies as well! Showing that he has little consideration for Canadian society, Bill Graham will have you waving the American flag in a clear cut while waving goodbye to your sons or daughters while they are being shipped off overseas to fight in another of Georges' wars.
For those that hold out hope for the Liberal Party of Canada to not go along with the CCCE sellout plan - don't hold your breath. Paul's track record speaks for itself.
The CCCE has a definite friend in Prime Minister Paul Martin, after all these are his brethren. It appears once again that Paul is set to deliver on everything the minority wants at the expense of the majority.
As finance minister Paul was asked to drop corporate taxes, and he did. He dropped them to 21% while the U.S. corporations still pay 35%. What was that about having to compete? Paul did not stop there of course; he also slashed social spending by 40%, at the behest of the same CCCE.
So why is that the CCCE is pushing this agenda to destroy Canada? To get even richer of course! Another new record for corporate profits last year doesn't seem to be enough; its greed and lust run rampant.
Statistics Canada shows that in 2001 just 4% of all Canadian businesses accounted for 82% of exports. Low and behold the vast majority of those 4% are members of the CCCE. Talk about self-serving.
The whole scheme boils down to a move to further enrich a small handful of Canadian corporations at the total expense of every Canadian, our very democracy and our sovereignty.
Genius
Posts: 783 
April 17th, 2004, 02:35 AM
And 90% of Canadian exports go to one country, the United States. And Canadian business calls itself global, a little pathetic.
Plus our "global" Canadian multinational corporations have zero brands, count'em, zero, nada, nothing, zip. There is not one Canadian company that has a brand known worldwide. While Ireland, Bermuda, Finland, Switzerland and Korea all have at least one.
Trust big business never to look past its financial navel.
And 90% of Canadian exports go to one country, the United States. And Canadian business calls itself global, a little pathetic.
Plus our "global" Canadian multinational corporations have zero brands, count'em, zero, nada, nothing, zip. There is not one Canadian company that has a brand known worldwide. While Ireland, Bermuda, Finland, Switzerland and Korea all have at least one.
Trust big business never to look past its financial navel.
Genius
Posts: 783
April 18th, 2004, 10:41 PM
There are Cdn products sold in many countries but none that makes the top 100 brands according to Forbes magazine with $1 US billion in sales. Many top US brands do not make the list because they are privately owned and their value cannot be accurately assessed.
When it comes to worldwide competition, Cdn biz is in the minor leagues. Still mentally a US branch plant.
There are Cdn products sold in many countries but none that makes the top 100 brands according to Forbes magazine with $1 US billion in sales. Many top US brands do not make the list because they are privately owned and their value cannot be accurately assessed.
When it comes to worldwide competition, Cdn biz is in the minor leagues. Still mentally a US branch plant.
Newbie
Posts: 31
Location: Caledon East, Ontario
Location: Caledon East, Ontario
April 19th, 2004, 09:28 AM
Geez, Andem- Is Roy White big in the NDP or UAW? That piece sure is one sided and misleading. Words like "nefarious" make it hard to take seriously, as do assertions that these executives who earn their livings here (like you and I) are out to "destroy Canada".
Geez, Andem- Is Roy White big in the NDP or UAW? That piece sure is one sided and misleading. Words like "nefarious" make it hard to take seriously, as do assertions that these executives who earn their livings here (like you and I) are out to "destroy Canada".
Quote:
Beg your pardon? There will be TWO Liberal MP's at the meeting!!!— James Peterson, Minister of International Trade, and John Manley (former deputy PM). Former ambassador to the US Allan Gotlieb will also be there. These people will be attempting to mend a relationship virtually destroyed by the Liberal party, and persuade the US that Canada is a trustworthy friend that deserves to be INSIDE the US security perimeter, not OUTSIDE it.
A cabal known as the Canadian Council of Chief Executives is undertaking nefarious moves to put an end run on both democracy and the citizens of Canada. The premier lobby group in Canada, the CCCE, is advancing their personal agendas at the expense of all Canadians.
Quote:
He's kidding, right? Trade is entirely what our economy is about, for heaven's sake, as is every country's! You make stuff and export it, and TRADE for stuff you don't make!
despite common perceptions trade is a relatively small part of Canada's economy
Newbie
Posts: 31
Location: Caledon East, Ontario
Location: Caledon East, Ontario
April 19th, 2004, 09:33 AM
Quoting
I don't know why anyone expects to be taken seriously while trolling as a Guest, but anyway, Mr GUEST, why don't you share YOUR secrets for running a business?
And 90% of Canadian exports go to one country, the United States. And Canadian business calls itself global, a little pathetic.
Plus our "global" Canadian multinational corporations have zero brands, count'em, zero, nada, nothing, zip. There is not one Canadian company that has a brand known worldwide. While Ireland, Bermuda, Finland, Switzerland and Korea all have at least one.
Trust big business never to look past its financial navel.
Plus our "global" Canadian multinational corporations have zero brands, count'em, zero, nada, nothing, zip. There is not one Canadian company that has a brand known worldwide. While Ireland, Bermuda, Finland, Switzerland and Korea all have at least one.
Trust big business never to look past its financial navel.
Genius
Posts: 783
April 19th, 2004, 12:52 PM
Most people here are anonymous, why is this a problem?
Is it necessary to run a business in Cda to say what is on your mind?
I could be running a small biz in a while mind you.
Why is Guest worse than blankfromOnt?
It is better to be a neighbour of the US than China or Russia, but Cda's location has its own unique problems.
Lately big biz in Canada wants an easier movement of goods to the US, its good for them. But then I hear from my American cousins that they all require passports to get back into the US after visiting me here. This sets off a few alarm bells. Big corporations wants biz as usual, while concerns of the general public are secondary.
To read by Andem stated above that business is lobbying gov't and it was not reported in the newspaper offends me. Any group is free to lobby gov't, this is a democracy.
Big biz in Cda is much like the CRTC, can't think of anything but America. Fairly limiting.
Most people here are anonymous, why is this a problem?
Is it necessary to run a business in Cda to say what is on your mind?
I could be running a small biz in a while mind you.
Why is Guest worse than blankfromOnt?
It is better to be a neighbour of the US than China or Russia, but Cda's location has its own unique problems.
Lately big biz in Canada wants an easier movement of goods to the US, its good for them. But then I hear from my American cousins that they all require passports to get back into the US after visiting me here. This sets off a few alarm bells. Big corporations wants biz as usual, while concerns of the general public are secondary.
To read by Andem stated above that business is lobbying gov't and it was not reported in the newspaper offends me. Any group is free to lobby gov't, this is a democracy.
Big biz in Cda is much like the CRTC, can't think of anything but America. Fairly limiting.
April 19th, 2004, 01:06 PM
This article was not written by me, I'm just a webmaster posting an article from our web site www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/. Anybody is allowed to submit an article relating to Canadians.
I do, although, share many views from this article with Roy Whyte (czardogs, he frequents these forums every now and then).
But the point of the article is big biz has become very successful in shaping Canadian policies which do not necessarily benefit the people.
What I would like to see in this country is:
- A government that does what the people want.
- A government that works for the people.
- FAIR regulations for corporations, which benefit people and corporations alike.
But we can't sit by and watch big biz have more power than 30+ million people.
Quoting
To read by Andem stated above that business is lobbying gov't and it was not reported in the newspaper offends me. Any group is free to lobby gov't, this is a democracy.
Big biz in Cda is much like the CRTC, can't think of anything but America. Fairly limiting.
Big biz in Cda is much like the CRTC, can't think of anything but America. Fairly limiting.
This article was not written by me, I'm just a webmaster posting an article from our web site www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/. Anybody is allowed to submit an article relating to Canadians.
I do, although, share many views from this article with Roy Whyte (czardogs, he frequents these forums every now and then).
But the point of the article is big biz has become very successful in shaping Canadian policies which do not necessarily benefit the people.
What I would like to see in this country is:
- A government that does what the people want.
- A government that works for the people.
- FAIR regulations for corporations, which benefit people and corporations alike.
But we can't sit by and watch big biz have more power than 30+ million people.
Genius
Posts: 783
April 19th, 2004, 01:50 PM
Nefarious - underhanded - that is most certainly apt here. REad the report - it clearly states - "this must be conducted quickly before a public backlash". Well, why would they such a thing? Its obvious - they know what they are doing goes against the vast majority of Canadians wishes and wants.
Trade is not the entire economy - you have fallen for the common misconception.
your faith in the liberals, CCCE and americans is disturbing. Two liberal ministers DONT represent Canada - neither does a cabal of CEOs. no move they are proposing should be conducted without representation. In fact - it should be put to referendum - but that goes back to my earlier quote - they know they would fail.
You can trade with america without becoming american. The giveaway of Canadian sovereignty for trade with the US is not a fair deal on any level.
If you read the article in full you would have noticed that it is only a small group of men looking to do this. Its not the average business owner. The average business person will not really gain anything from this - its the big exporters that stand to gain - 4% of all Canadian businesses accounted for 82% of exports. So why should the few decide ANYTHING for anyone?
Corporations are NOT people. They do not have a vote - they lobby. Lobby should NEVER become the standard of doing things - ala the US model of who spends the most wins.
This is about preserving Canada for Canadians. Its about democratic procedure and Canadian sovereignty. There are Canadians (sounds like yourself included) who feel their quest for more money supercedes the rest of the country and parliamentary procedures. The majority will not and should not have to endure it.
One question - when has Canada never been trustworthy? If anything when it comes to trade it is the US who is NEVER trustworthy. Beef, softwood, potatoes, cars and on and on...
Quoting
No I am not a member of the NDP nor am I union guy.
Geez, Andem- Is Roy White big in the NDP or UAW? That piece sure is one sided and misleading. Words like "nefarious" make it hard to take seriously, as do assertions that these executives who earn their livings here (like you and I) are out to "destroy Canada".
Quote:
Beg your pardon? There will be TWO Liberal MP's at the meeting!!!— James Peterson, Minister of International Trade, and John Manley (former deputy PM). Former ambassador to the US Allan Gotlieb will also be there. These people will be attempting to mend a relationship virtually destroyed by the Liberal party, and persuade the US that Canada is a trustworthy friend that deserves to be INSIDE the US security perimeter, not OUTSIDE it.
A cabal known as the Canadian Council of Chief Executives is undertaking nefarious moves to put an end run on both democracy and the citizens of Canada. The premier lobby group in Canada, the CCCE, is advancing their personal agendas at the expense of all Canadians.
Quote:
He's kidding, right? Trade is entirely what our economy is about, for heaven's sake, as is every country's! You make stuff and export it, and TRADE for stuff you don't make!
despite common perceptions trade is a relatively small part of Canada's economy
Nefarious - underhanded - that is most certainly apt here. REad the report - it clearly states - "this must be conducted quickly before a public backlash". Well, why would they such a thing? Its obvious - they know what they are doing goes against the vast majority of Canadians wishes and wants.
Trade is not the entire economy - you have fallen for the common misconception.
your faith in the liberals, CCCE and americans is disturbing. Two liberal ministers DONT represent Canada - neither does a cabal of CEOs. no move they are proposing should be conducted without representation. In fact - it should be put to referendum - but that goes back to my earlier quote - they know they would fail.
You can trade with america without becoming american. The giveaway of Canadian sovereignty for trade with the US is not a fair deal on any level.
If you read the article in full you would have noticed that it is only a small group of men looking to do this. Its not the average business owner. The average business person will not really gain anything from this - its the big exporters that stand to gain - 4% of all Canadian businesses accounted for 82% of exports. So why should the few decide ANYTHING for anyone?
Corporations are NOT people. They do not have a vote - they lobby. Lobby should NEVER become the standard of doing things - ala the US model of who spends the most wins.
This is about preserving Canada for Canadians. Its about democratic procedure and Canadian sovereignty. There are Canadians (sounds like yourself included) who feel their quest for more money supercedes the rest of the country and parliamentary procedures. The majority will not and should not have to endure it.
One question - when has Canada never been trustworthy? If anything when it comes to trade it is the US who is NEVER trustworthy. Beef, softwood, potatoes, cars and on and on...
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
April 19th, 2004, 08:24 PM
Nice article, Roy. Nice response to our new friend too.
Have you ever noticed that when you tell some truths it makes some people almost violent? Why do you think that is? Why are some people so threatened by truth?
Perhaps our anonymous friend can help us out with that...
Nice article, Roy. Nice response to our new friend too.
Have you ever noticed that when you tell some truths it makes some people almost violent? Why do you think that is? Why are some people so threatened by truth?
Perhaps our anonymous friend can help us out with that...
Genius
Posts: 783
April 20th, 2004, 08:45 AM
In Canada, we have a strong pro-American party, likely the strongest in the western world. We cannot help but walk, talk and think like Americans, most of the time most of us support the Americans. To attack them is so offensive to some people. I can tell you in BC it feels like we have some kind of God given right to drive down to California any time we want. And BC was nicknamed British California by Alan Fotheringham.
I always wonder why the left in Canada does not publicize big business's lack of global brands. We are the only G-7 country that lacks a global brand. The US has so many, Canada, none.
Perhaps it is part of the NDP's ethos of never being in power federally and making responsible decisions, so they are pure and never tainted with the brush of business. The right in Canada does not see much intelligent debate in Canada about their major concerns so they disengage and push their agenda feverishly.
Political debate in Canada needs work.
In Canada, we have a strong pro-American party, likely the strongest in the western world. We cannot help but walk, talk and think like Americans, most of the time most of us support the Americans. To attack them is so offensive to some people. I can tell you in BC it feels like we have some kind of God given right to drive down to California any time we want. And BC was nicknamed British California by Alan Fotheringham.
I always wonder why the left in Canada does not publicize big business's lack of global brands. We are the only G-7 country that lacks a global brand. The US has so many, Canada, none.
Perhaps it is part of the NDP's ethos of never being in power federally and making responsible decisions, so they are pure and never tainted with the brush of business. The right in Canada does not see much intelligent debate in Canada about their major concerns so they disengage and push their agenda feverishly.
Political debate in Canada needs work.
Genius
Posts: 783
April 20th, 2004, 09:00 AM
Canada is the most foreign owned nation on earth and its only getting worse. THAT is not the fault of the left in ANY kind of way - we are the only ones fighting it.
Quoting
You have never stopped to find out why Canada has no brands? Its because of those same rightwing pro-america parties!
In Canada, we have a strong pro-American party, likely the strongest in the western world. We cannot help but walk, talk and think like Americans, most of the time most of us support the Americans. To attack them is so offensive to some people. I can tell you in BC it feels like we have some kind of God given right to drive down to California any time we want. And BC was nicknamed British California by Alan Fotheringham.
I always wonder why the left in Canada does not publicize big business's lack of global brands. We are the only G-7 country that lacks a global brand. The US has so many, Canada, none.
Perhaps it is part of the NDP's ethos of never being in power federally and making responsible decisions, so they are pure and never tainted with the brush of business. The right in Canada does not see much intelligent debate in Canada about their major concerns so they disengage and push their agenda feverishly.
Political debate in Canada needs work.
I always wonder why the left in Canada does not publicize big business's lack of global brands. We are the only G-7 country that lacks a global brand. The US has so many, Canada, none.
Perhaps it is part of the NDP's ethos of never being in power federally and making responsible decisions, so they are pure and never tainted with the brush of business. The right in Canada does not see much intelligent debate in Canada about their major concerns so they disengage and push their agenda feverishly.
Political debate in Canada needs work.
Canada is the most foreign owned nation on earth and its only getting worse. THAT is not the fault of the left in ANY kind of way - we are the only ones fighting it.
Newbie
Posts: 31
Location: Caledon East, Ontario
Location: Caledon East, Ontario
April 20th, 2004, 11:55 AM
As far as running a business goes, I'm just saying that since you seem to know that these "pathetic" companies are wrong, you must have some ideas on what is right. Don't waste your vast business knowledge here, go start one and show us all how it's done!
Quoting
If you want to call polemical mud-slinging the 'truth', go for it. It's your sandbox, I guess.
Nice article, Roy. Nice response to our new friend too.
Have you ever noticed that when you tell some truths it makes some people almost violent? Why do you think that is? Why are some people so threatened by truth?
Perhaps our anonymous friend can help us out with that...
Have you ever noticed that when you tell some truths it makes some people almost violent? Why do you think that is? Why are some people so threatened by truth?
Perhaps our anonymous friend can help us out with that...
As far as running a business goes, I'm just saying that since you seem to know that these "pathetic" companies are wrong, you must have some ideas on what is right. Don't waste your vast business knowledge here, go start one and show us all how it's done!
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
April 20th, 2004, 06:54 PM
Actually, I did start and run a successful small business for three years, Merc (is that short for mercenary?). I did home renos. I had to shut it down due to health problems, but it was a fun three years.
You know what the biggest obstacles put in my way were during that endeavor? Predatory practices by large corporations and a lack of cooperation by large banks.
Our NDP government in Manitoba was quite helpful, as was the federal government, especially the tax boys. My local Credit Union showed me how to keep my own books for free. A locally owned lumber yard referred some damned good workers to me.
See where this is going? Not in the direction of the Fraser Institute is pushing, that's for sure.
Actually, I did start and run a successful small business for three years, Merc (is that short for mercenary?). I did home renos. I had to shut it down due to health problems, but it was a fun three years.
You know what the biggest obstacles put in my way were during that endeavor? Predatory practices by large corporations and a lack of cooperation by large banks.
Our NDP government in Manitoba was quite helpful, as was the federal government, especially the tax boys. My local Credit Union showed me how to keep my own books for free. A locally owned lumber yard referred some damned good workers to me.
See where this is going? Not in the direction of the Fraser Institute is pushing, that's for sure.
Newbie
Posts: 44
April 21st, 2004, 11:10 AM
Found your self stalked and confronted by big bad predatory big business did you? Man, it's tough out there isn't it? Especially when your local NDP government won't give you what is your right. And a lack of co-operation from big banks too? What does that mean?
No, I don't see where it's going, but I know where your business went, right in the toilet. Were your employees laid off with appropriate paper work or just let go because they never were on the books if you know what I mean?[/quote]
Quote:
hmmph, the usual cheap shot when the hard left scrambles. What were your health problems?
Actually, I did start and run a successful small business for three years, Merc (is that short for mercenary?).
Found your self stalked and confronted by big bad predatory big business did you? Man, it's tough out there isn't it? Especially when your local NDP government won't give you what is your right. And a lack of co-operation from big banks too? What does that mean?
No, I don't see where it's going, but I know where your business went, right in the toilet. Were your employees laid off with appropriate paper work or just let go because they never were on the books if you know what I mean?[/quote]
Genius
Posts: 783
April 21st, 2004, 01:29 PM
Of all the retorts by the lemmings and apologists for the sellout traitors of this nation - not one of them can overturn the fact that the MAJORITY of Canadians are NOT behind the moves outlined by the CCCE.
That is fact.
Your platitudes about this or that are weak and humorous at best.
When the right is exposed for their anti-Canadian traits they strike out with slander and inuendo, which are their favourite tactics.
By the weak reasoning put forward by the stumbling and bumbling apologists, only rightwingers can be successful businessmen.
WHAT A LARK!
Right off the top of my head - George Soros - a man looking to change the world for the better - most certainly not a cut and dried rightwing zealot.
Those who put money before everything else are shallow thinkers who only look out for themselves.
Hope you dont pray to any God with an attitude like that! Every religion I have ever studied does NOT condone such predatory behaviour - in fact they all to a tee come down on such types.
So have a nice day while you digest that...
Of all the retorts by the lemmings and apologists for the sellout traitors of this nation - not one of them can overturn the fact that the MAJORITY of Canadians are NOT behind the moves outlined by the CCCE.
That is fact.
Your platitudes about this or that are weak and humorous at best.
When the right is exposed for their anti-Canadian traits they strike out with slander and inuendo, which are their favourite tactics.
By the weak reasoning put forward by the stumbling and bumbling apologists, only rightwingers can be successful businessmen.
WHAT A LARK!
Right off the top of my head - George Soros - a man looking to change the world for the better - most certainly not a cut and dried rightwing zealot.
Those who put money before everything else are shallow thinkers who only look out for themselves.
Hope you dont pray to any God with an attitude like that! Every religion I have ever studied does NOT condone such predatory behaviour - in fact they all to a tee come down on such types.
So have a nice day while you digest that...
