Super Genius
Posts: 1,065 
Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
July 29th, 2004, 11:45 PM
I'll admit though, this is quite premature. Let's wait till the last year to make a clear cut prediction. But still... voters have a long memory here. Unions have the longest one of all.
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10% is more then enough. And will most likely not evaporate. I predict, the difference to actually grow. With the Surois Projet more then likely to go ahead. The canceling of many deals in the north, with "Les Allumineries" most likely to cost many jobs, the cut backs in Cultural budgets also have a huge effect.
As an expert of quebec politics such as yourself should know, a 10 point gap is not insurmountable not even in Quebec.
Just because in 1993-1995 that this happen does not mean that it will happen again. That is your personal opinion and it is based on one instance.
The mere existance of Bourassa disproves your theory which is not static in the first place.
Just because in 1993-1995 that this happen does not mean that it will happen again. That is your personal opinion and it is based on one instance.
The mere existance of Bourassa disproves your theory which is not static in the first place.
I'll admit though, this is quite premature. Let's wait till the last year to make a clear cut prediction. But still... voters have a long memory here. Unions have the longest one of all.
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Posts: 85
Location: Nova Scotia
Location: Nova Scotia
July 29th, 2004, 11:57 PM
Well, ok, now that you have atleast bothered to counter the arguement of the "ignorant english canadian" we can atleast talk about it.
Unions are gonna hurt him and he is far behind but I have seen 10 point gaps evaporate very quickly. It hasn't helped that the federal liberals are as currpt as the day is long, and even in Quebec the voters confuse federal and provincial politics. The provincial Libs in Quebec lost 4 points alone between polls when the sponsorship scandal came out.
Well, ok, now that you have atleast bothered to counter the arguement of the "ignorant english canadian" we can atleast talk about it.
Unions are gonna hurt him and he is far behind but I have seen 10 point gaps evaporate very quickly. It hasn't helped that the federal liberals are as currpt as the day is long, and even in Quebec the voters confuse federal and provincial politics. The provincial Libs in Quebec lost 4 points alone between polls when the sponsorship scandal came out.
Bright Spark
Posts: 314
August 2nd, 2004, 07:40 PM
CANADA'S TORONTO STAR:
Warns of Energy Crisis -- Editorial Board: Stark choices face us on energy use
The fact that our failure to make modest sacrifices today ultimately will only invite chaos and social upheaval when the world reaches the point where there is simply not enough fossil fuel to satisfy all our needs.
Former Governor General: a "disaster of truly epic proportions."
CANADA'S TORONTO STAR:
Warns of Energy Crisis -- Editorial Board: Stark choices face us on energy use
The fact that our failure to make modest sacrifices today ultimately will only invite chaos and social upheaval when the world reaches the point where there is simply not enough fossil fuel to satisfy all our needs.
Former Governor General: a "disaster of truly epic proportions."
Walks on Forum Water
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Location: Victoria, B.C.
Videos: 25
Location: Victoria, B.C.
August 3rd, 2004, 09:36 AM
The picture could improve if Americans (not only Americans, but in particular) would stop considering it their god-given right to wretched excess.
The picture could improve if Americans (not only Americans, but in particular) would stop considering it their god-given right to wretched excess.
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Posts: 85
Location: Nova Scotia
Location: Nova Scotia
August 3rd, 2004, 04:29 PM
It has a lot to do with arrogance too....
Even with countries that a very similiar in the way of life when compared to Americans like Canada, you still get this smugness.
You could be living almost identical lives, yet for reasons beyond anyone's control and have no significant bearing on their everyday lives, the American is better...
Its this attitude that breeds the Bush's of the world and its this attitude that gives them a mandate to persue their agenda.
It has a lot to do with arrogance too....
Even with countries that a very similiar in the way of life when compared to Americans like Canada, you still get this smugness.
You could be living almost identical lives, yet for reasons beyond anyone's control and have no significant bearing on their everyday lives, the American is better...
Its this attitude that breeds the Bush's of the world and its this attitude that gives them a mandate to persue their agenda.
Walks on Forum Water
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Location: Victoria, B.C.
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August 3rd, 2004, 04:56 PM
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Its this attitude that breeds the Bush's of the world and its this attitude that gives them a mandate to persue their agenda.
What? Are you saying that Americans were somehow forced, by our attitude of superiority, to elect a power-hungry mentally-slow, environment-ravaging madman? I think not.
Its this attitude that breeds the Bush's of the world and its this attitude that gives them a mandate to persue their agenda.
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Location: Nova Scotia
Location: Nova Scotia
August 3rd, 2004, 05:23 PM
No....thats not what i said
The superiority complex comes into play when it comes time to get public support on board for a war. "We're going to show the Islamic world the way that our superior form of life and government work and they will just collapse in awe."
It also comes into play the way that americans look at war. Its a teflon attitude "Nothing can touch us. We have the mighiest army in the world, even if we did go to war we are gonna kick those arabs asses BAD".
I have heard both these comments made sometimes in a less exageratted, more intellectual way by numerous Americans leading up to the war.
Don't fool yourself either, public support at the time was very much in favor of the president leading up to the war. Especially when it started. Even if it meant defying the Germans and Frenchies. Othewise GWB would never have been able to go to war in the first place.
No....thats not what i said
The superiority complex comes into play when it comes time to get public support on board for a war. "We're going to show the Islamic world the way that our superior form of life and government work and they will just collapse in awe."
It also comes into play the way that americans look at war. Its a teflon attitude "Nothing can touch us. We have the mighiest army in the world, even if we did go to war we are gonna kick those arabs asses BAD".
I have heard both these comments made sometimes in a less exageratted, more intellectual way by numerous Americans leading up to the war.
Don't fool yourself either, public support at the time was very much in favor of the president leading up to the war. Especially when it started. Even if it meant defying the Germans and Frenchies. Othewise GWB would never have been able to go to war in the first place.
