#1Dec 5th, 2002
Will look forward to reading the comments in response to the above, if people are interested i will post my personal take on the matter.
Thankz
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Will look forward to reading the comments in response to the above, if people are interested i will post my personal take on the matter.
Thankz
Liberal
#2
Re: Canadian Education System
Dec 6th, 2002
Welcome to the forum sadia.
I've not really studied the education systems, nor have I done any research on them. Please post your personal views and we can debate them.
Cya
I've not really studied the education systems, nor have I done any research on them. Please post your personal views and we can debate them.
Cya
#3
Re: Canadian Education System
Dec 8th, 2002
I think any free education system is a good education. Whether it's superb, or not so good. Many places around the world must pay for lower level education?
#4
Re: canadian education system
Jun 4th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by sadia
Well..I have had no experience with the American education system.. so my take is merely one on the Canadian system.I would really like to know what people think of the Canadian education system in comparison with the American education system. i am a canadian student and would like some insight on canadian education system, its drawbacks and benifits.
Will look forward to reading the comments in response to the above, if people are interested i will post my personal take on the matter.
Thankz
My kids attend the public school system, as did I.
The school they attend is a small country school.. population is less than 250 . But in the school board standings, they are in the top rankings.
Class size (they are smaller classes) and the fact that the teachers put blood sweat and tears into seeing these kids succeed have gotten us there.
I think a huge problem with today's society is that they do not view education as a community effort.
Many parents want to send their kids to school, and recieve them back home " all learned".
Education takes the efforts of the teachers, parents, grandparents and children.. all combined. Education does not end when the kids leave the schhol yard.
#5
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 4th, 2004
Québec has a différent system. Effective, and currently under another reform. Elementry has just gone threw a reform and the new Goverment put back the Secondary(High School) reform. Public schools are "safe". I do not know what kind of comparaison your asking for. At any rate, I do not know what the American system is like.
#6
Re: canadian education system
Jun 4th, 2004
I think it's hard to get along in the United States education System. I like that most poeple here go to free schools, while in the states private schools are the choice. Teachers in the United States are less respected. The scholls there are much more run down. I really appreciate the order and clenlines of our schools. Not only that, but Canada has some of the lowest tuition rates in the world and I'm glad I don't have to pay $75, 000.00 a year in tuition.
#8
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 5th, 2004
There is no such things as a Canadian Education system. It simply does not exist, and this is why there is no Ministry of Education in Ottawa. Each province has its own programmes and ministry.
#9
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 5th, 2004
But the thing is, all of Canada is so alike in its education system... Besides us.
#10
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 5th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Démocrite
True.There is no such things as a Canadian Education system. It simply does not exist, and this is why there is no Ministry of Education in Ottawa. Each province has its own programmes and ministry.
#11
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 5th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Numure
You mean you have the lowest tuition fees for QUEBECERS. In Québec, we have the lowest in all of North America.
Take for example .bishops University.
For a quebec resident, the tuition fee per credit course runs at 56.00$ approx. For all other Canadian residents, they charge 139.00$
However.. you can travel across the border to Ontario and pay the same tuition fee Ontarians pay.
Much like the trades industry.. Ottawa is chock full of Quebecers taking advantage of the adequate need for labour, and make a happy living working in Ontario.. but god halp the Ontario tradesman who attempts to cross the river to seek employment.
#12
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 5th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by ponygurl
Vive le Québec! :P Its our home, we deserve a good education... Though Bishop isnt a first choice. I personnaly did my Political Science Major at McGill (Bleh.. wanted to see an english point of view)... And law at L'Université de Sherbrooke. Many foreign exchange Students go at both, and they do pay a différent price then us. Its just normal, we live here and pay the taxes for does advantages.Quote: Originally Posted by NumureYou mean you have the lowest tuition fees for QUEBECERS.In Québec, we have the lowest in all of North America.
Take for example .bishops University.
For a quebec resident, the tuition fee per credit course runs at 56.00$ approx. For all other Canadian residents, they charge 139.00$
However.. you can travel across the border to Ontario and pay the same tuition fee Ontarians pay.
Much like the trades industry.. Ottawa is chock full of Quebecers taking advantage of the adequate need for labour, and make a happy living working in Ontario.. but god halp the Ontario tradesman who attempts to cross the river to seek employment.
#13
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 5th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Numure
Quote: Originally Posted by ponygurlQuote: Originally Posted by NumureIn Québec, we have the lowest in all of North America.You mean you have the lowest tuition fees for QUEBECERS.
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Take for example .bishops University.
For a quebec resident, the tuition fee per credit course runs at 56.00$ approx. For all other Canadian residents, they charge 139.00$
However.. you can travel across the border to Ontario and pay the same tuition fee Ontarians pay.
Much like the trades industry.. Ottawa is chock full of Quebecers taking advantage of the adequate need for labour, and make a happy living working in Ontario.. but god halp the Ontario tradesman who attempts to cross the river to seek employment. Building walls is usually not a great idea unless you can be totally self sufficient.
Vive le Québec! :P Its our home, we deserve a good education... Though Bishop isnt a first choice. I personnaly did my Political Science Major at McGill (Bleh.. wanted to see an english point of view)... And law...
#14
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 6th, 2004
We pay much less in Quebec, but we get even much less in return compared to Ontario's education system. I've been in both, I know what I'm talking about.
#15
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 6th, 2004
We actually get much more... The quality of University Education is much higher. Why we pay smaller tuition fees? Well, instead, the goverment givces money to the Universities as compensation for lost revenues that would of came from that.
#16
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 6th, 2004
I don't know where you've been. But I know for sure that university libraries in Quebec are among the worst in Canada, just because the budget for new books and scientific publications is split between Cegep network and Universities. Doing social sciences researches at U of T, or Ottawa University or even York University is a dream compared to any low budget french University in Quebec. Unlike most students in Quebec, I favor rising the tuitions fees to get better universities and upgraded libraries.
#17
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 6th, 2004
I went to Sherbrook... I had access to all the books needed. Though, I know all the Goverment Universities (UQAM, UQAC, UQAQ...) have much lower budgets.
#18
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 6th, 2004
That picture of Duceppe is starting to freak me out Numure...it's like his eyes are moving, following me. No offense, I told my mother the same thing about her picture of Tommy Douglas.
Something that really bothers me about the Canadian education system, or lack thereof, is how uneven it is across the provinces.
I spent kindergarten and the beginning of grade 1 in Alberta, then we moved to Saskatchewan until I was in grade 4, then we moved to Ottawa until grade 7, then back to Regina where I finished high school. After high school I came to Winnipeg to take photography. I took night courses in writing (journalism and editorials) in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
The curriculums are massively different, the quality varies greatly, and the education is spotty. You can barely compare one province to another, yet we are an increasingly transient society.
We really do need a national education program. It doesn't matter so much about what language it's taught in, but reading levels and math skills need to be kept at a par in all provinces and territories.
As for post-secondary...that is very much affected by primary and secondary educations. There were supposed high school grads in my photography course who couldn't read or do math. Most had taken some sort of advanced photo course in high school, but that wasn't available to me so I was largely self-taught. The writing course I took in Saskatchewan had me pegged at the level usual for my education (grade 12, some post secondary). The one here pegged me at advanced university level.
We really need to have a national system.
Something that really bothers me about the Canadian education system, or lack thereof, is how uneven it is across the provinces.
I spent kindergarten and the beginning of grade 1 in Alberta, then we moved to Saskatchewan until I was in grade 4, then we moved to Ottawa until grade 7, then back to Regina where I finished high school. After high school I came to Winnipeg to take photography. I took night courses in writing (journalism and editorials) in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
The curriculums are massively different, the quality varies greatly, and the education is spotty. You can barely compare one province to another, yet we are an increasingly transient society.
We really do need a national education program. It doesn't matter so much about what language it's taught in, but reading levels and math skills need to be kept at a par in all provinces and territories.
As for post-secondary...that is very much affected by primary and secondary educations. There were supposed high school grads in my photography course who couldn't read or do math. Most had taken some sort of advanced photo course in high school, but that wasn't available to me so I was largely self-taught. The writing course I took in Saskatchewan had me pegged at the level usual for my education (grade 12, some post secondary). The one here pegged me at advanced university level.
We really need to have a national system.
#19
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 7th, 2004
No, we don't. It would put our education system in the hands of Ottawa and that shouldnt happen. We value our own distinct system in Québec, few want it to change.
#20
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 7th, 2004
What of the kids who move from Manitoba to Quebec though, or vice versa? From what I can tell Quebec's education system is superior, so kids from Manitoba would be behind if they moved there. Conversely, a kid moving from Quebec to Manitoba would likely be bored and not pay enough attention in class. I've been in both situations and neither is any fun.
I'm not saying that the feds should set curriculum, just that they should set rules for the provinces so that a grade 10 student is a grade 10 student everywhere...expected to read and write and do math at a certain level. If they can do that, then they can over-come differences in curriculum.
I'm not saying that the feds should set curriculum, just that they should set rules for the provinces so that a grade 10 student is a grade 10 student everywhere...expected to read and write and do math at a certain level. If they can do that, then they can over-come differences in curriculum.
#21
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 7th, 2004
First of all, we only have 5 high school levels.. Then CÉGEP or DEP and finaly University (if one chooses this path). We value how our system is built, and I for one do not want to see it changed.
#22
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 8th, 2004
So maybe the rest of us should change to your system? I don't know much about your system, but like I said, from what I've seen it is more advanced than the one in Manitoba. That would also place it above Ontario's too. That's judging by the people I've met who have been through the various systems...people from Quebec seem to get a more well-rounded education, much like people from Europe.
Even if we were each to stick with our different systems though, there must be some sort of equivalency that we could acheive.
Even if we were each to stick with our different systems though, there must be some sort of equivalency that we could acheive.
Free Thinker
#23
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 8th, 2004
We should have equal education throughout the country. Our children are our future, and we must provide them with a quality and well-planned education system. Quebec has a very good education program, and so DID Ontario. Ontario lost their place when they cut off that extra optional year of secondary school (OAC or Grade 13) pushing students into an "experimental" new system.
The tories really messed up in some ways, but very well could have brought about the reforms in a more uniform and sane way. It really messed a lot of students up. Luckily, I wasn't effected by any of this in high school, but I have heard of some kids that jumped from a regular grade 8 class to a, what used to be, grade 11 education. Totally screwed a whole generation of high school students.
The tories really messed up in some ways, but very well could have brought about the reforms in a more uniform and sane way. It really messed a lot of students up. Luckily, I wasn't effected by any of this in high school, but I have heard of some kids that jumped from a regular grade 8 class to a, what used to be, grade 11 education. Totally screwed a whole generation of high school students.
#24
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 8th, 2004
I love how they use us as guinea pigs....lol
But we are thankful over here for no grade 13, lol.
But we are thankful over here for no grade 13, lol.
#25
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 8th, 2004
The education system in Quebec is not as good as one might think. It's been reformed many times in the last 20 years. Any new education minister in Quebec since the 1970s has come up with news ideas which weren't always constructive. Ever since they were created, the Cegeps have been severely criticized. 30% of male students are high school dropouts and the whole system is ill-financed.
#26
Re: Canadian Education System
Jun 8th, 2004
Its always critised from the outside. Talk to many University Students, you will see what they think of the CEGEP. It is the old guard that critises.
#27
Quebec and education
Oct 22nd, 2008
As a French AND English Quebecker (sorry for spoiling your dream of the Duceppe era there), I have had the opportunity to being educated in both languages. What I noticed here is that the French in French schools is wonderful, as is the French in English schools. The biggest problem is the massively lacking quality of the English programs in French schools. I mean, it's really pathetic. People are graduating high school English courses and can barely, and I mean barely, comprehend the basics of the language. I skipped from grade 8 to grade 11 English and was still vastly better than any of the other French students. And that's not because I'm smarter, to be sure.
We keep promotting our educational freeze but our taxes are also significantly higher (a person of average income paying about 1200-2500$ more per year). There is your education budget right there. Our roads are poorer than anywhere in North America (there are surveys and studies to support this). Hey but at least our kids are bilingual right? Wrong. Anglophones in Quebec are bilingual; francophones are really far behind.
Moving on to the public school system, it's kind of a joke in Canada but even more so here. The Administration often have only basic concepts of business management, which leads to poor spending practices. We have adopted the law of "no kid can skip a grade more than once" as though that is somehow going to improve the quality of education... We have much larger class sizes here than in the rest of Canada.
Our Universities are rated far lower in just about every program. And yes, that includes McGill, who are simply running off the steam of their former glory. They are rated quite far back in the actual rankings now though.
Our general knowledge of foreign affairs (even of national affairs) is lower. That can be attributed to the language barrier and the very poor media coverage by the french media of anything outside of the province of Quebec. Yes, it is in fact a province and not its own nation. When I visit Quebec city, I go to the Provincial Capital... sheesh.
Anyway, because I am ranting, while I MUCH prefer our system to the states (as I have many friends and some family from the states), we are behind. Ranked 17th I believe amongst other industrialized nations, unless we've slipped even further since last I checked. So yeah, we need some serious reform. Education is what makes us move forward, not gun laws.
But hey, that's just one person's opinion. It's worth only what it's worth.
Thanks for taking the hour to read this! haha
We keep promotting our educational freeze but our taxes are also significantly higher (a person of average income paying about 1200-2500$ more per year). There is your education budget right there. Our roads are poorer than anywhere in North America (there are surveys and studies to support this). Hey but at least our kids are bilingual right? Wrong. Anglophones in Quebec are bilingual; francophones are really far behind.
Moving on to the public school system, it's kind of a joke in Canada but even more so here. The Administration often have only basic concepts of business management, which leads to poor spending practices. We have adopted the law of "no kid can skip a grade more than once" as though that is somehow going to improve the quality of education... We have much larger class sizes here than in the rest of Canada.
Our Universities are rated far lower in just about every program. And yes, that includes McGill, who are simply running off the steam of their former glory. They are rated quite far back in the actual rankings now though.
Our general knowledge of foreign affairs (even of national affairs) is lower. That can be attributed to the language barrier and the very poor media coverage by the french media of anything outside of the province of Quebec. Yes, it is in fact a province and not its own nation. When I visit Quebec city, I go to the Provincial Capital... sheesh.
Anyway, because I am ranting, while I MUCH prefer our system to the states (as I have many friends and some family from the states), we are behind. Ranked 17th I believe amongst other industrialized nations, unless we've slipped even further since last I checked. So yeah, we need some serious reform. Education is what makes us move forward, not gun laws.
But hey, that's just one person's opinion. It's worth only what it's worth.
Thanks for taking the hour to read this! haha
#28
Re: Canadian Education System
Oct 22nd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by pren
I believe what you've said. But when I went through all of my schooling in Quebec and I knew the French system as well, there were no complaints.As a French AND English Quebecker (sorry for spoiling your dream of the Duceppe era there), I have had the opportunity to being educated in both languages. What I noticed here is that the French in French schools is wonderful, as is the French in English schools. The biggest problem is the massively lacking quality of the English programs in French schools. I mean, it's really pathetic. People are graduating high school English courses and can barely, and I mean barely, comprehend the basics of the language. I skipped from grade 8 to grade 11 English and was still vastly better than any of the other French students. And that's not because I'm smarter, to be sure.
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We keep promotting our educational freeze but our taxes are also significantly higher (a person of average income paying about 1200-2500$ more per year). There is your education budget right there. Our roads are poorer than anywhere in North America (there are surveys and studies to support this). Hey but at least our kids are bilingual right? Wrong. Anglophones in Quebec are bilingual; francophones are really far behind.
Moving on to the public school system, it's kind of a joke in Canada but even more so here. The Administration often have only basic concepts of business management, which leads to poor spending practices. We have adopted the law of "no kid can skip a grade more than once" as though that is somehow going to improve the quality of education... We have much larger class...
What has happened in almost 40 years?
McGill used to push the top universities in the world.
As did the University of Montreal.
Sad.....
scratch
#29
40 years of politics is what happened...
Oct 23rd, 2008
Canada used to be at the head of the pack consistently for many, many years. Seen as a country of peace and reason, of new technology and human compassion; seen as the Greece of its time really.
And then 40 years of politics. Strange policies from all parties. Governing took second place to politics and the various parties just started in-fighting. I'm surprised that we, as Canadians, didn't at that point kind of notice a problem though. And don't forget, especially in quebec, multiple referendums are our wonderful legacy to our children that we need to overcome. Hundreds of millions of dollars (likely billions, though of course everyone is refusing to divulge just how devastating it was financially) in debt.
It's too bad we have to keep inflating the value of Welfare and not so much of education and health. Incidentally, the healthier, happier, more educated and more occupied your population is, the less crime there is in general; the more productive the society becomes and the less the population falls victim to silly corporate scams, political talking-points and all things requiring someone be less aware in order for them to succeed. (Up to 50% off!, for example).
We'll come around some day, I have faith. It'll take our input and direct intervention though.
And then 40 years of politics. Strange policies from all parties. Governing took second place to politics and the various parties just started in-fighting. I'm surprised that we, as Canadians, didn't at that point kind of notice a problem though. And don't forget, especially in quebec, multiple referendums are our wonderful legacy to our children that we need to overcome. Hundreds of millions of dollars (likely billions, though of course everyone is refusing to divulge just how devastating it was financially) in debt.
It's too bad we have to keep inflating the value of Welfare and not so much of education and health. Incidentally, the healthier, happier, more educated and more occupied your population is, the less crime there is in general; the more productive the society becomes and the less the population falls victim to silly corporate scams, political talking-points and all things requiring someone be less aware in order for them to succeed. (Up to 50% off!, for example).
We'll come around some day, I have faith. It'll take our input and direct intervention though.
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