Anonymous said:
Andem said:
-Its near impossible for a white guy to get a job in a convenient store if they're owned by chinese or east indians
And I'm sure the true is oposite, in the private sector at least. I'm willing to bet, (and can tell just from your posts here) that if a Indian and a Canadain both applied for the same job with you, and both had the same skill set, your going to pick the canadian. Right?
If both applicants had the same skill levels, I'd hire the one who is more familiar with the operating conditions we adhere to, who is fluent in english (and french if the need be), and who can problem solve.
in this situation you gave, I would probably administer a test to see who has the better problem solving skills, etc. I've worked with people of many different nationalities, Natives, Greek, European, American, French, etc. I've never had a problem with any of them.
When it comes down to who can get the job done, this is the difference between making money and losing money. Your idea that someone would hire the white man just because he is white is wrong. The hiring person (I've been THIS hiring person before) would have to look at everything, and if everything is equal, administer some kind of test (of which I have done in the past). I've been a GM of a few companies going back over the past few years, and although I'm white I've NOT always hired a white man. I'd prefer everyone to use the term CANADIANS. As we are all in the same boat together.
I'd also like to point out that I dont think I made any posts saying we should deport anyone from the country. I made a cheap crack @ Quebec in that manner as they expect everyone in Quebec to speak French and frown upon you if you speak English there. Well hello English & French are our official languages. Sorry if it came across wrong, but from personal experience being there and experiencing it, its exactly what its like. They want to seperate from Canada. Which was the entire doing of my little side remark there.
Andem said:
-Take a visit to vancouver. Very nice city in most places, however, you might notice that the prodominant language in that city is chinese. Do you seriously think that people of a country "who are united together" should still be speaking their foreign language, not to mention passing it on to their children who speak it in public regularly?
Like in my previous post to Shmad, as I pointed out, if you were in the same situation in a different country that english was not the national language, you would do the same. Take a trip to Shanghai. Lots of Americians and English are forming little comunities there. They live in the same district, they have all their own stores that sell their own food, and they all speak english to each other. I'm sure you would do exactly the same. These people might only be in China for a few years, or some might seattle down. Its natural for people of the same race and religion to mix. I'd love to put you guys in the same situation, and see how you cope.
Well Im CERTAIN I would talk english to others who can talk english, but I would also talk in the native tongue so-to-speak of the country I was living in at the time. Its only fair to do so, even if you cant speak it well. I think this was the point Andem was trying to get across and myself as well. When Im in Quebec I make the EFFORT to talk in French, and well they laugh at you if you screw up and make you feel like idiots, this is true for any part of the world really, but hey, at least you made the effort, there are a lot of people that wont even make this effort.
Personally I am friends with a number of exchange students from Japan, China and Germany who live close by. We talk often in both english and their native tongue. I help them out with their english if they get stuck, and they help me out if I get stuck. Its a purely harmoneous relationship.
And as for putting "us in the same situation" I've been there before, I MADE that effort to talk in their countries language. There are a lot of people who live here in Canada that wont even make that effort to talk in English, sure i know it is the hardest language to learn, but after practicing and talking to people, you learn it quicker.
Andem said:
-I SHOULD be able to become a police officer if I wanted to. Should I not? Most of Canada's forces have racial quotas. Is this not racist? College education in police college should be able to get me that job over an east-indian who has no education. Each year, less and less white men are able to get a job in this field.
No its not racist, its a attempt to get other cultures into what must have been previously, racist based jobs. This is a attempt to fix the problem of racism in the police force. Its also probably a attempt to get more officers with experience with different cultures into the police force, as the police force has to interact with your communities.
I Agree with the anonymous poster on this one. I myself applied for the RCMP, and I didnt have a high enough "white man score" as they put it to be accepted. The score level for other ethnic cultures is much lower because the RCMP wishes to make it a truely harmoneous workforce. Although I DO NOT agree that there should be seperate standards set, I do agree with what the RCMP is trying to do.
Andem said:
-Lastly, Canada's two official languages are English and French. French is only spoken in quebec and some parts eastern provinces. I should be able to goto a chinese food place and place my order in english. This is not the case, however. Sometimes they wont even serve you if you arent chinese (Chinatown on Spadina in Toronto is a great example of this).
I agree this is bad, but probably due to your own actions against these people.
You here demand that they speak english, you create the hypothetical rule that they all must become christian, and drop their religions, you demand that they integrate with your comunity seemlessly,
BUT by these actions, you are actually driving them further away. You are saying you do not respect them, or their heritige, yet you still expect them to treat you with respect?
This is
Racism At its worst. I would expect this attitude from Americans, but I Never expected it from canadians.
Who REALLY cares what religion someone believes in? Hell you can believe in Satanism for all I care. Religion is something everyone is entitled to their own beliefs in, as long as they dont preach their religion to me thats great.
As for your last line there "I would expect this attitude from Americans, but I never expected it from canadians.", We've been living here a long time, we've seen many things go on, we're losing our own heritage and culture and getting it replaced with with culture mixtures from all over the place into our nation as a whole. Is that proper either? Shouldnt this country of canada celebrate its OWN hertitage and culture as well as the cultures of others? Lately its become a blur of what is what.
Racism in any country exists, if you dont think it does, you are mistaken. Every country has its problems, I dont agree with some of the law exceptions for ethnic groups, I guess that does make me somehwat racist to a degree then, everyone is at some level, type or form.
I embrace people from other cultures, I have no problems with them, I do however have problems with "special exceptions" being made to laws and whatnot JUST for these ethnic groups. Its morally wrong.
Andem said:
What would YOU do if a bunch of guys off the boat came into your town, took all the jobs and changed all the signs there to chinese (or korean) only?
Seeing as I'm chinese, I really have no problem with this. Maybe your example would be better if you said Canadians.
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Heheh.. It is true that Canada does take a LOT of stow aways in each year. If we were the United States, they would simply deport them back. Canada does have lax laws when it comes to things like that. I do not agree that stow aways should be given citizenship here in Canada unless under extreme cases. I have no problems with normal Chinese, Japanese, etc moving to Canada and RIGHTFULLY getting their citizenship here. Although I think there are some areas of the law we should tighten up when screening people coming here and claiming citizenship.