Very Interesting article I found: Canadian vs. American (Canadian Vs American)


damngrumpy
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There is one huge difference Canadians have a social conscience and America has little to none.
the American health care system is a prime example. Americans will help to a point one of their
own who has medical problems. They rely on medical insurance than only covers those with means
to pay, and those on welfare. The working poor, the poor, and even into the middle class, the best
advice is don't get sick. In Canada we believe health care is a right. In many states foster kids don't
receive the care they need Washington State is a prime example. They have to stand and sing the
anthem and hold their hand over the heart so everyone can see how patriotic they are. In Canada
we are patriotic and we know it, besides there is no point bragging when we have the best country
in the world.
We are actually closer to French Canada than America when you strip away the fancy wrapping paper.
America is a great country, but I would bet you have a better chance to reach your dreams in this
country than you would in the USA. We as a nation, of people, have a better sense that we are a
national family, that is when we are not arguing with each other.
There are a lot of academics out there who have never set foot in the real world amongst people
that have ideas other than their own so they can pontificate all they want. In the centuries coming there
will still be a border there and their will still be a Canada, to the south there will be a patch work of
shrill voices going on in endless debate, something they learned from Ottawa and never understood.
Professors make the poorest observers in the world, they see life though a crack in a clam shell and
think that is all there is. The rest of us are the real world for better or for worse.
 
Trotz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Oh, I dunno, I think Americans have done a much better job of preserving and celebrating their history than we Canadians have. I'd venture to suggest that pretty much every American's heard of Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone and Lewis and Clark and knows at least a little bit about who they were and what they did. I'd bet not one Canadian in a hundred could tell you anything useful or interesting about Henry Kelsey or John Palliser, or why a large section of the Canadian prairies is called the Palliser Triangle. I've been in the border states south of where I live, Montana and the Dakotas and Wyoming, many times, and everywhere I went there were signs pointing out details of your history, almost to the level of "Meriwether Lewis once took a leak in the Missouri River at this spot." There's nothing like that where I live, just a few highway signs called "Point of Interest," with no clue what it is unless you stop and look.

I conclude it's the result of the current academicians who were hippies back in the 1960s and their reflection on historical Canada being an intolerant racist Anglo-Saxon institution; suppressing the Metis, the Salish, the French, et al; but now it's ok because we have 'Vertical Mosaicism'.

To the extent, especially on the secondary and post-secondary level, most Canadian history courses largely ignore Canadians and their history and instead dwell into history of the first nations or explore sociological themes like women's liberty in 1795 Lower Canada.


Most Canadians are usually surprised to know that we had a different flag and even a different (although unofficial) anthem for a long time (thanks Pearson ya ass)
 
Unforgiven
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A car has many similarities with a truck. But they are not the same. Plenty of Canadians, myself included demonstrate their national identity clearly most every day. Sadly most Canadians watch tv and after being told they have an identity problem, and given some sappy answer to that problem, "I AM CANADIAN" which is now owned by an American company, they fail to say anything remarkable that will show just how distinct Canadians are.
 
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For all the bashing of the original article, two of its points are completely valid and on target:
- Canadian nationalists do use negation of Americans to identify themselves; they don't celebrate Canadian accomplishments as much as they try to tear down American ones and rationalize it
- the differences that most cling to are superficial, i.e. how we are governed and the games we play in our leisure time. Our values are very similar, as are our goals: if they weren't we would have come into conflict with them (and spare me the myths about Canadians kicking ass in the War of 1812...).
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

Our values are very similar, as are our goals: if they weren't we would have come into conflict with them (and spare me the myths about Canadians kicking ass in the War of 1812...).

Oh no you dint!

YouTube - The war of 1812 Song Original

 
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Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

A car has many similarities with a truck. But they are not the same. Plenty of Canadians, myself included demonstrate their national identity clearly most every day. Sadly most Canadians watch tv and after being told they have an identity problem, and given some sappy answer to that problem, "I AM CANADIAN" which is now owned by an American company, they fail to say anything remarkable that will show just how distinct Canadians are.

Maybe it's time people on both sides of the border just try harder to be a person and forget the bullsh*t about trying to be better than anyone else.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Maybe it's time people on both sides of the border just try harder to be a person and forget the bullsh*t about trying to be better than anyone else.

Have you met our culture? There is nothing and I mean nothing we won't turn into a competition.
 
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JLM you are right to some degree I myself have dysfunctional relatives on both sides of the boarder
 
Trotz
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Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

Have you met our culture? There is nothing and I mean nothing we won't turn into a competition.

#1 in Crime
#1 in Obesity
#1 in Teenage Pregnancy


US #1!
 
Unforgiven
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Yeah but also,

#1 movies
#1 fun
#1 sexy bikinis full of hotties!

Quote: Originally Posted by TrotzView Post

#1 in Crime
#1 in Obesity
#1 in Teenage Pregnancy


US #1!

 
eh1eh
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I'm havin' a steak tomorrow and some beer. Ya man, fcukin 'A'. When I have my heart attack, free bypass surgery. Fcukin "A". Health insurance in the states is almost as much as my mortgage payment. Who can afford two mortgages. Not 'Joe Public' that's who.
I just couldn't live in such a nasty society. Maybe I'm just all soft from all this free healthcare but I don't care. I feel relatively safe.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

I'm havin' a steak tomorrow and some beer. Ya man, fcukin 'A'. When I have my heart attack, free bypass surgery. Fcukin "A". Health insurance in the states is almost as much as my mortgage payment. Who can afford two mortgages. Not 'Joe Public' that's who.
I just couldn't live in such a nasty society. Maybe I'm just all soft from all this free healthcare but I don't care. I feel relatively safe.

Clever f*****g post. So you want to be a twit and exacerbate the problem for others to pay.
 
polaris
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yawn....so there is no real difference....yawn...wake me up when it's over
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

I'm havin' a steak tomorrow and some beer. Ya man, fcukin 'A'. When I have my heart attack, free bypass surgery. Fcukin "A". Health insurance in the states is almost as much as my mortgage payment. Who can afford two mortgages. Not 'Joe Public' that's who.
I just couldn't live in such a nasty society. Maybe I'm just all soft from all this free healthcare but I don't care. I feel relatively safe.

Free health care. Holy crap!!! Where do you live? Here in Alberta we pay close to $5500 per person per year. I haven't got all the figures in front of me but I guess that's close to $15,000/household which is probably close to an average mortgage payment.
 
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Free health care. Holy crap!!! Where do you live? Here in Alberta we pay close to $5500 per person per year. I haven't got all the figures in front of me but I guess that's close to $15,000/household which is probably close to an average mortgage payment.

Geez- you are being grossly ripped off, in B.C. the premiums are approx. $108 per month for a family. That doesn't include dental though.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Geez- you are being grossly ripped off, in B.C. the premiums are approx. $108 per month for a family. That doesn't include dental though.

We have no premiums here but the provincial budget is 38 billion of which 44% goes to health care for 3 million people. I think your health is 16.5 billion so your premiums don't cover it.
 
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We have no premiums here but the provincial budget is 38 billion of which 44% goes to health care for 3 million people. I think your health is 16.5 billion so your premiums don't cover it.

I think you may be on to something. I've always said if health care is going to be affordable people are going to have to be willing to pay for what it's worth to them. I could never imagine people complaining about $108 a month to cover the most important asset for their family (like it's probably less than the average family spends on restaurant meals in a month) Of course what really drives it up is things like the whiners running to emergency for a stubbed toe.
 
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You seem to pay a lot less per person in BC. I wonder why that is. Does the province manage ambulance service?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

You seem to pay a lot less per person in BC. I wonder why that is. Does the province manage ambulance service?

Unless you are on welfare I think in B.C. when you call an ambulance the cost (or at least part of it) is out of your dime.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Unless you are on welfare I think in B.C. when you call an ambulance the cost (or at least part of it) is out of your dime.

Who runs the system though? In Alberta, outside the major cities, ambulance was pretty much volunteer until the provincial government decided that wasn't good enough. Now the provincial government has taken control. As for who pays for a ride, the same thing applies here except for air ambulance.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Who runs the system though? In Alberta, outside the major cities, ambulance was pretty much volunteer until the provincial government decided that wasn't good enough. Now the provincial government has taken control. As for who pays for a ride, the same thing applies here except for air ambulance.

It's provincially run- no volunteers as far as I know.
 
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''There is one huge difference Canadians have a social conscience and America has little to none.''

Actually, many Yanks do have a social conscience. But all you ever hear is from the vocal right wingers as libs are just too timid to speak out as the right wingers do. As taxpayers we paid for Europe's health care through the Marshall Plan and we continue to pay for Israel's health coverage today. But the same who love paying these taxes for those forms of support are very vocal about voicing their hatred for Obamacare, while applauding the many deaths of those who succumb from lack of insurance thanks to Republicare.
 
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''There is one huge difference Canadians have a social conscience and America has little to none.''

Actually, many Yanks do have a social conscience. But all you ever hear is from the vocal right wingers as libs are just too timid to speak out as the right wingers do.

That's funny. I wonder what Michael Moore would think of you calling him timid.
 
Icarus27k
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I find it fascinating when non-Americans talk about America. I can't help it. (And of course, I mean that in the most innocent, non-insulting way possible.)
 
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Just to turn the tables around on all the anti-Americans in here:

If Canada is so great and the US so evil, would Canadians not want to make the ultimate sacrifice by joining with the US so as to infuse the evil US with some of our greatness so as to make the new nation even greater? Or are we too selfish and shallow to be willing to share our supposed material greateness with anyone?
 
Icarus27k
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I guess what I mean is Americans often talk amongst themselves about what the proper place in the world is for their country. But listening to an outsider's opinion is foreign (no pun intended). The outsider/non-American comes from a perspective than none of the Americans initially think about coming from.
 
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I guess what I mean is Americans often talk amongst themselves about what the proper place in the world is for their country. But listening to an outsider's opinion is foreign (no pun intended). The outsider/non-American comes from a perspective than none of the Americans initially think about coming from.

Pretty hard to see the world through someone else' eyes.

To me, people are just people but I think Americans are getting hosed by their own government just as much as some countries in the third world are and have been for a hundred years or more. I don't believe you guys have any more freedom or democracy than we do, or anybody else. Governments are beholding to their puppet masters not their citizens. the sooner people get that those personalities that act in Washington and Ottawa are not the ones in control of these countries, the sooner there will be revolution and people will take back their lives from the slave masters. But for some strange reason, they would rather pretend that politics is real and blame the actors.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

That's funny. I wonder what Michael Moore would think of you calling him timid.

"A swallow does not a summer make".
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

"A swallow does not a summer make".

Lewis Black, Jodie Foster, Sean Penn, Drew Barrymore, Danny Devito, Ellen Degenerous, Sharon Stone, Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, Martin Sheen.....

Do you find any of them timid?
 

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