What economists are saying about Trudeau’s stimulus plan

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What economists are saying about Trudeau’s stimulus plan

Does stimulus work? It depends on which economist you ask.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau has plenty of contradictory advice to choose from as Canada’s economics community engages in a heated debate over the merits of fiscal stimulus.

Avery Shenfeld, the chief economist of CIBC World Markets, ramped up the debate with a suggestion that a federal deficit as high as $30-billion would be “well-warranted” in order to give the sluggish economy a boost. Other Bay Street economists agreed, including Sherry Cooper of Dominion Lending Centres, who said “extreme measures” should be taken.

That type of advice inspired some strong pushback. University of British Columbia economist Kevin Milligan – who previously advised the Liberals on their election platform – questioned why a national solution is needed to what is essentially a regional problem. Stephen Gordon of the University of Laval lamented the lack of “sophistication” in the pro-stimulus arguments coming from Bay Street economists, while Trevor Tombe of the University of Calgary argued that infrastructure stimulus cannot be defended purely as a way to create jobs, given that it could potentially work out to about $250,000 in public spending for each job created.

“We shouldn’t overestimate infrastructure’s short-run effects on economic activity,” he wrote in Maclean’s. “There just isn’t the evidence.”

If Mr. Morneau doesn’t like those opinions, he can lean on a recent essay from former Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page and former assistant PBO Sahir Khan.

They argued that with low interest rates, government can borrow to build infrastructure and still keep its debt-to-GDP ratio on a downward trend.

“The policy case for this is strong,” they argued, pointing to comments from Harvard University professor Larry Summers that borrowing to spend in this environment amounts to a “free lunch.”

What economists are saying about Trudeau’s stimulus plan - The Globe and Mail
 

captain morgan

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The IMF has already downgraded Canada's growth for this year... Goodwill stores are closing left, right and center.

Trudeau's skill in economics has already failed just a month into his tenure

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It doesn't matter what the economists say; the more contradictory opinions they voice the longer the Liberals can dilly-dally over what to do. And that is what they are doing.
If the Liberals have a plan in place (they say they do) then let's get on with it! They talk about 'looking at....', 'getting it right....', 'consulting with Canadians.....', 'improving the future economy....', BlahBlahBlahBlah
People need help NOW! Are we supposed to wait for some distant future time to be able to find a job, feed our families, pay our rent and utilities?
They have a majority and will ultimately do what they want to do, so whatever that may be they should be acting on it NOW!
They are putting off doing anything because they don't know what to do. That's obvious.
You would think that a political party would have at least some vague idea of what they can do before they make big campaign promises.
 

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What "specifically" would you like them to do? Should Trudeau get into a backhoe and start digging a hole?
 

petros

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ON and the rest of the country needs access to Asian markets if manufacturing and assembly is to stand a chane of survival as well as natural resource and agribusiness.

It's happening. This is the biggest thing to hit Canada since the CPR spanning the country.
 

davesmom

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What "specifically" would you like them to do? Should Trudeau get into a backhoe and start digging a hole?


Haha! It would look good on Trudeau! I would rather see him in the hole with a backhoe filling it in.
But seriously,
The Liberals plan as most people understood it was to provide the funding for infrastructure. The Provinces and cities have their projects lined up and ready to go. So if the Liberal plan is to provide the funding, then they should get on with it NOW! What's the delay?
People are hurting from job losses. They can't wait for months or even weeks for job prospects. There are plenty of jobs that don't require digging in frozen ground like the 'affordable housing' they talk about.
 

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ON and the rest of the country needs access to Asian markets if manufacturing and assembly is to stand a chane of survival as well as natural resource and agribusiness.

So you support Trudeau.

Good to know.
 

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The Provinces and cities have their projects lined up and ready to go.

They do? I work in utilities and this is news to me. We have a pretty extensive wish list but to suggest we are ready to go on these projects is a bit of a stretch. Where are you getting your information from?
 

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ON and the rest of the country needs access to Asian markets if manufacturing and assembly is to stand a chane of survival as well as natural resource and agribusiness.

It's happening. This is the biggest thing to hit Canada since the CPR spanning the country.

We won't get access to Asian markets. Even if we managed to (and we never will) we would have to live like Asian peasants to compete with them. We don't want to be flooded with their junk, either. We need to sell to the Americans, again with our bargain basement dollar.

The West, on the bother hand, has a brilliant future hewing wood, drawing water, digging ore, pumping oil and sending it to Asia so that the Asians can sell it back to you as manufactured products.
 

petros

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Here is the thing. Can parts for oh lets say a washing machine be made in several countries and assembled in smaller more efficient regional facilities? Why can't Canada compete in washing machine parts instead of try to build and sell the whole damn washing machine?
 

Curious Cdn

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Here is the thing. Can parts for oh lets say a washing machine be made in several countries and assembled in smaller more efficient regional facilities? Why can't Canada compete in washing machine parts instead of try to build and sell the whole damn washing machine?

We used to do all of that. So did the Americans. So did the British. The Koreans make washing machines now and we don't, the Yanks don't, the Brits don't.

" Class. Can you say post industrial?"
 

petros

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Neither do the Chinese. They source washing machine parts from all over.

So do auto makers.

Remember how RCA and Motorola aka Zenith made TVs in Canada and US? Now your RCA says "Assembled in Mexico" but inside it are components from all over the world.

Would you prefer nothing or assembled in Canada with 60% domestic content?
 

Bar Sinister

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The IMF has already downgraded Canada's growth for this year... Goodwill stores are closing left, right and center.

Trudeau's skill in economics has already failed just a month into his tenure

Sunny ways

Oh right. And the nine years of Conservative mismanagement of the economy don't count? Oh wait a minute. No doubt with your muddled neo-con thinking you can probably find a way to blame Trudeau for the myriad errors of the Harper government. One of these days you are really going to have to try thinking through what you have written before you click on the "Submit reply" icon.