Harper poised to throw rural farmers under the bus

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Harper poised to sign Pacific Rim trade deal, putting safe rural ridings in play - The Globe and Mail
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Apart from balancing the budget, the third Harper government has considered trade its highest priority. That’s why Stephen Harper is poised to toss accepted electoral wisdom aside and sign the landmark Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement.

The agreement, which will transform Canada’s trade relationship with Asian and Pacific countries, will signal the death knell for dairy and poultry subsidies and shift the electoral calculus in Quebec, Ontario and British Columbia.

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Conservative insiders acknowledge that the decision is likely to cost the party seats in rural Ontario on election night in October. But Mr. Harper is determined to commit Canada to the accord regardless. This is his legacy.

The government has already negotiated and signed an ambitious agreement with the European Union. Now, with congressional hurdles overcome, the United States is ready, along with Japan, Canada and nine other countries, to proceed with the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the most ambitious regional trade agreement ever negotiated, encompassing 40 per cent of global GDP.

Because Mexico is also a member, the new accord will supplant the North American Free Trade Agreement. Staying outside TPP, Mr. Harper has argued in government meetings, would see the U.S. and Mexico move to a new level of trading integration, with Canada left behind.

And being part of TPP will, at a stroke, vastly expand Canada’s economic links with major developed and developing Pacific countries such as Japan, Malaysia and Vietnam.

It is possible to envision a not-too-distant future in which most countries of the Atlantic and Pacific regions become part of a single, global trade zone.

But in Canada, TPP will be no easy sell. Although there will doubtless be a phase-in period, along with compensation for affected farmers, signing means the end of supply management, which for decades has protected the dairy and poultry industries.

Those farmers will be justifiably angry at the Conservatives. Mr. Harper promised he could get a TPP deal while still protecting supply management. In the end, he decided to sacrifice the interests of the farmers to the greater interest.

Rural seats in Southwestern and Eastern Ontario that were once considered safe will now be very much in play.

The Conservatives will fight hard to hold those seats regardless, stressing the crucial link between rural values and Conservative priorities. And Mr. Harper will trumpet the accord in places such as the Greater Toronto Area and B.C.’s Lower Mainland.

Signing the TPP, he will say, will bring Canada’s trade relationships into the 21st century, accelerate our economic realignment from the Atlantic to the Pacific and offer further proof that only the Conservatives can be trusted to manage the national economy.

Ironically, Mr. Harper’s decision is likely to be good news for Thomas Mulcair. Many of Canada’s dairy farms are in Quebec, in ridings held by the NDP. If, as expected, the New Democrats oppose the accord because it fails to protect supply management, Mr. Mulcair will be able to tell rural Quebec voters that only his party truly represents their interests.

For Justin Trudeau, the situation is problematic. The Liberals place a high priority in taking francophone ridings from the NDP in Quebec, which would incline the party toward opposing the deal. But the Liberals are also determined to show middle-class voters in the rest of Canada that they can be trusted to protect the country’s economic interests. How could these interests be served by keeping Canada outside the world’s most important regional trade agreement?

This is a point the Conservatives can be expected to make – forcefully – if Mr. Trudeau decides to join Mr. Mulcair in opposing the TPP.

Politics as well as policy, then, will inform the debate over the TPP. In an election season, with economic trust a key concern, that debate will be intense.

Harper poised to sign Pacific Rim trade deal, putting safe rural ridings in play - The Globe and Mail
 

taxslave

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Good that Harper is prepared to do what is best for the country instead of caving to a couple of small self interest groups. Supply management is neither. It is an artificial way to make certain people rich at huge cost to consumers. Just one of the things that happens when government thinks they should be able to pick winners and losers. Everyone looses.
 

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If Harper was seen strolling on the Rideau in August, the media and some mentally challenged people here would say, "Harper can't swim".

NAFTA doubled our exports to the U.S.A in a few short years. This treaty would also help almost all of us. Even the NDippers changed their opposition to it.

Of course the dairy supply management boards who have been robbing us for years will have to actually compete. We are more than 33,000,000 citizens vs. 25,000 dairy farmers.

The latest I hear is that the deal has failed.

Kudos to Harper for at least trying as opposed to his rivals whose vision extends less than one nanometer past the tips of their noses.
 

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Rural farmers? What is a rural farmer? What are urban farmers? Are dairy producers farmers?
Yes Petros dairy producers are farmers. They are those who keep cows and milk them twice a day. Give them good feed which is grown most often on the farm. Rural is a place outside of a residential region, which by the way is a rapidly diminishing space. Milk, butter, eggs and beef, chickens etc. have traditionally been subsidized because most people could not afford them otherwise. Realize that the farmers who belong in these groups have no say in what price their product is sold for. The subsidies are raised when too many go broke. It is a (on dairy farms) a 7 day most often a 12 hour day job.

Even so when a place like Canada's prairies experience drought, many beef cows go to market shortly after birth because there is no feed for them. That is why you can no longer afford a prime rib roast or have a good steak every couple of weeks. There are such disasters in every field of agriculture and because of subsidies, most types of farmers are able to stay in business over the long term. Oh, and most viable countries, if they are reasonably intelligent, do the same.
 

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Marketing boards distort the market prices. 1 case where a US company wanted to open a facility to make Greek style yogurt- uses a lot of milk. The Boards and companies they sold to only would provide a supply of 1 years milk. Company opened in the US.
 

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bluebyrd35

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There are people who call themselves 'urban farmers' but it's all sh!t they're just small scale market gardeners/hippies of the dumbest variety.
Well hubby milked 45 cows morning and night for close to 50 years, just outside of Montreal. It is called that Chateauguay Valley. 300 acres and 100 head of cattle, is considered a small farm around this area. We kept chickens and pigs for our own consumption. However, this was never considered a market garden hippy affair.

When we bought this farm the first cheque from milk (our only income) was $69.00 and the feed bill was $150.00. In those days the Montreal dairies set the price of milk. If the dairy subsidies were not instituted there would be no milk products, cows etc Also the price of milk was set by butter fat. In the spring when the first calves are born and the cows went to pasture, they gave a lot of milk but the butter fat was way down. So farmers got screwed no matter what they did. In retirement, I do not begrudge paying for my food products, as they are the cheapest compared to standard of living in the world.

Farmers are expected to be in debt for about 30 years and not small debt either. When farmers sell the land, quotas (which most have to buy these days) that is their retirement. Luckily for me, we ended up with the best land in the Chateauguay Valley. In the end, I have my house, some land and a whopping lot of money. Know what, We earned every penny!!

PS. It is not the farmers Harper is throwing under the bus but the consumer. The government subsidizes food through the marketing boards, not the farmers. The farmers produce the food and if they got paid as they should have been for their products, most Canadians, like most of the world would be putting a great deal more of what they earn into food.
 
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Well hubby milked 45 cows morning and night for close to 50 years, just outside of Montreal. It is called that Chateauguay Valley. 300 acres and 100 head of cattle, is considered a small farm around this area. We kept chickens and pigs for our own consumption. However, this was never considered a market garden hippy affair.

When we bought this farm the first cheque from milk (our only income) was $69.00 and the feed bill was $150.00. In those days the Montreal dairies set the price of milk. If the dairy subsidies were not instituted there would be no milk products, cows etc Also the price of milk was set by butter fat. In the spring when the first calves are born and the cows went to pasture, they gave a lot of milk but the butter fat was way down. So farmers got screwed no matter what they did. In retirement, I do not begrudge paying for my food products, as they are the cheapest compared to standard of living in the world.

Farmers are expected to be in debt for about 30 years and not small debt either. When farmers sell the land, quotas (which most have to buy these days) that is their retirement. Luckily for me, we ended up with the best land in the Chateauguay Valley. In the end, I have my house, some land and a whopping lot of money. Know what, We earned every penny!!

PS. It is not the farmers Harper is throwing under the bus but the consumer. The government subsidizes food through the marketing boards, not the farmers. The farmers produce the food and if they got paid as they should have been for their products, most Canadians, like most of the world would be putting a great deal more of what they earn into food.

Where exactly do you think the money comes from to subsidize inefficient farmers? And why does the dairy marketing board force farmers to dump excess product on the ground when there are cheese producers begging for supply?
 

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Where exactly do you think the money comes from to subsidize inefficient farmers? And why does the dairy marketing board force farmers to dump excess product on the ground when there are cheese producers begging for supply?
Money and bureaucracy .
 

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Where exactly do you think the money comes from to subsidize inefficient farmers? And why does the dairy marketing board force farmers to dump excess product on the ground when there are cheese producers begging for supply?
Actually farmers pay crop insurance premiums, insurance on cattle, buildings Workmen's compensation. unemployment insurance if they have hired hands and when farmers become solvent, they pay Provincial & Canada, property taxes, income taxes, just like other Canadians. Farming is no longer a way of life but big business. The result of throwing farmers under the bus will be putting the pricing of farm products into hands of the producers. so, since the pricing of most farm products are now somewhat controlled by government agencies, you can be sure there will be a huge price increase in most food products.

Oh and inefficient farmers, lose the farm. The land is very valuable these days, because in many areas there is not much left due to expanding cities and population. There are very few inefficient farmers, just old, worn out ones. Who wants to work 12 hour days for peanuts until they are old and sick.

CBC News - Supply management in Canada: Why politicians defend farm marketing boards
 
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