Alberta should separate from Canada

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Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state

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Jen GersonWednesday, Mar. 18, 2015


Downtown Calgary Dec. 10, 2014. Geopolitics expert Peter Zeihan says Alberta would be better off joining the U.S. in his new book, which examines the future of America. Colleen De Neve / Postmedia News

U.S. forecaster Peter Zeihan, a former geopolitical analyst with the security firm Stratfor, has spent his career trying to predict the future of tumultuous states — recently, he’s turned his gaze to North America. Now, his latest book, The Accidental Superpower, takes a bleak look at the direction of the world in general. Among his speculations, the future of Alberta in Canada. He spoke to the Post‘s Jen Gerson.


Geopolitics expert Peter Zeihan. Handout

Q Tell me about your book as a whole?

A The global system as we understand it is highly artificial. The United States created it after the Second World War to fight the Cold War. We introduced this concept of free trade that allowed anyone we were friendly with to trade with anyone else we were friendly with — the U.S. guaranteed the security of the oceans, it would open its markets, it would patrol the Middle East and make sure energy could get to where it needed to go. Before, you had competing empires fighting for resources and markets. The American system expanded peace and prosperity throughout the world in a way the human race had never experienced before. But we did it to contain the Soviet Union. Since the Cold War ended, the U.S. has been withdrawing from that system.

Q Why?

A Two big things. The first is shale oil — the U.S. will be energy independent by the end of 2016. Shale is severing the strongest link between us in North America and the rest of the world. The Middle East is becoming someone else’s problem.

The second piece is demographics. The percentage of Americans who are baby boomers is smaller than the equivalent cohort elsewhere. Every other country (except New Zealand) has a much larger population hitting mass retirement, and you’ve got all the financial problems that come with that.

Q Amid this interesting geopolitical shift, you devote a chapter to Alberta’s possible secession.

A Canada’s demographic situation is similar to the rest of the developed world — a large population moving toward retirement and hardly any young people in the replacement generation coming up.

However, Alberta does not fit that mould. It is the youngest province, and is becoming younger, better paid and more highly skilled as the rest of Canada becomes older and less skilled, and a ward of the state financially.

The other piece is, of course, energy. British Columbia has been hostile to Alberta’s efforts to diversity oil exports and the Atlantic is more than 2,000 miles away.

But really, it comes down to demographics. Right now, every man, woman and child in Alberta pay $6,000 more into the national budget than they get back. Alberta is the only province that is a net contributor to that budget — by 2020, the number will exceed $20,000 per person, $40,000 per taxpayer. That will be the greatest wealth transfer in per capita terms in the Western world. The only other place we see things like that is in Saudi Arabia, where the oil-producing regions subsidize the rest of the country.


Pumpjacks at work pumping crude oil near Halkirk, Alta., June 20, 2007. File photo

Secession has been a dirty political word in Alberta for several years, with politicians rumoured to be secret secessionists. That talk died down when the Harper Conservatives were elected — when a group of people who came out of the Alberta mould assumed power.

Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state
 

damngrumpy

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What patriotic citizens eh Alberta separate right now they are not bragging
as much, oil is in the tank and the economy with it. Mind you if they took the
Harper guys with them. I'm sick of people wanting to separate when they
can't have their own way or they have to share something they don't want to.
Canada is on nation dysfunctional but one nation and it should stay that way.
 

Liberalman

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Lots of Aboriginal reserves in Alberta sitting on oil rich land and since America will not recognize treaty rights made with the British like they did after their revolutionary war of the mid 1700 the Aboriginals will stay with Canada. Albertans are more than welcomed to move south of the border.
 

mentalfloss

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Yawn, ho hum. More bullshyte from the brain dead.

I don't agree with Alberta separating from Canada but why don't you try your hand at one of the points in the OP?

Let's actually have a discussion about this.
 

Liberalman

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I don't agree with Alberta separating from Canada but why don't you try your hand at one of the points in the OP?

Let's actually have a discussion about this.
Again read what I wrote the Aboriginals would never seoerate from Canada and join the Americans just because the US would never recognize the treaties. and in Alberta there is a lot of Aboriginal land.
 

Cannuck

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Yawn, ho hum. More bullshyte from the brain dead.

Yeah, F**k off and take Gerry with you! :) :)

Let's try and not derail the thread. Some people are getting angry

Again read what I wrote the Aboriginals would never seoerate from Canada and join the Americans just because the US would never recognize the treaties. and in Alberta there is a lot of Aboriginal land.

There may be a lot of aboriginal land but there isn't a lot of aboriginals. I'm sure we can take them
 

darkbeaver

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The American system expanded peace and prosperity throughout the world in a way the human race had never experienced before. But we did it to contain the Soviet Union. Since the Cold War ended, the U.S. has been withdrawing from that system.

Geopolitics expert Peter Zeihan is a monumental lying bag of dung.


A Two big things. The first is shale oil — the U.S. will be energy independent by the end of 2016. Shale is severing the strongest link between us in North America and the rest of the world. The Middle East is becoming someone else’s problem.

The shale oil boom is crippled burning wreack already taking crews and investors to the bottom with it.

Alberta is toying with the idea of a provincial sales tax. Because they can't pay thier bills, they're in debt up to there traitorous necks.
Another misleading spiel from a noted stink tank quasi intellectual.
 

taxslave

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I don't agree with Alberta separating from Canada but why don't you try your hand at one of the points in the OP?

Let's actually have a discussion about this.

Point one. BC is not opposed to pipelines. There is just a small very vocal and well financed by US interests minority that is causing the uproar that the media is quick to feed on.
Point two. Alberta's economy is nowhere near being in the toilet. Still the only province without a sales tax and a contributor to the freeloading Ontario and Quebec.
Point three. Any changes in the geopolitical structure in North America that is realistic would be and east-west split in both countries.
The whole article reads like something written in an office in toronto.
 

Cannuck

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The Aboriginals will kick your ***-ets back to the stone age

Don't be silly. The ones around here aren't weren't even motivated enough to put in much effort in the fight over the Old Man Dam. Offer them some cash. That seems to work nowadays. Most of the motivated kids are moving to the city anyway.
 

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Alberta joining the USA is an absurd idea. Why would the USA government pay for more land if it's already reaping most of the benefits of it?

I think it would be easier to name Calgary the capital of Canada.
 

Cliffy

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Alberia should separate and isolate BC so we can become independent of all the rest of the yahoo provinces. And Taxslave is full of it. Most BCers are opposed to the Gateway pipeline and super tankers on our coast..
 

B00Mer

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Canada does need to give provinces more rights.. it's not fair that Quebec gets so much power over the other provinces..

I think that decentralizing the government buy allowing provinces more power, similar to the United States would be nice..

As far as any one province seceding from Canada, on it's own.. NO WAY!!

Alberta joining the USA is an absurd idea. Why would the USA government pay for more land if it's already reaping most of the benefits of it?

I think it would be easier to name Calgary the capital of Canada.

I gave you a Scooby Snack for that.. +1 :)