Ontario, Quebec sign deals on electricity, climate change

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Ontario, Quebec sign deals on electricity, climate change

The premiers of Ontario and Quebec signed a joint agreement to work together to share electricity and to advance their climate change agendas after a combined meeting of their cabinets today.

The statement makes a direct reference to the pipeline projects planned to carry Alberta oil through Ontario and Quebec.

Climate change must be addressed in any plan to carry energy across the country, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said at a news conference in Toronto after meeting with Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard.

“We believe that from the centre of the country we are giving Canadians the leadership that is much needed,” she said.


Minister sets conditions for TransCanada in Quebec

Energy East pipeline 'advocates' targeted

Quebec issued seven conditions for TransCanada Corp.'s $12-billion Energy East pipeline on Thursday, including a demand for a provincial environmental review.

The project would convert a natural gas pipeline to carry bitumen from Alberta east to ports in Quebec.

“I talked about our understanding that Alberta needs to move its resources across the country. We want to work with Alberta. We know that there are companies that are dependent in Ontario on Alberta industry,” Wynne said.

But the provinces that have to bear the brunt of environmental damage from pipeline spills or conflict over the project have to benefit in some way, she said.

“We have to safeguard the interests of the people in Ontario,” Wynne said.

“As we talk about a Canadian energy strategy, as we talk about pipelines or other energy initiatives, we need to put in place protections and principles that we can all agree on. That is the work that we have been doing,“ she added.

Electricity deal

Ontario and Quebec also signed a joint agreement to expand electricity trade with each other. In 2015, Ontario will provide five megawatts of electricity to Quebec in winter, when demand in that province peaks.

In summer, Quebec will be prepared to offer five megawatts of electricity to Ontario as its demand peaks in hot weather.


Wynne and Couillard also asked the Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO) and the Société des Alcools du Québec (SAQ) to look at ways to boost the sales of locally produced alcoholic products from each other`s provinces.

Their agreement to co-operate on climate change raised the issue of carbon taxes, which both provinces have supported.

"We've been supportive of cap-and-trade processes for many years, and we are continuing to have that discussion with Quebec," Wynne said.

For his part, Couillard said he sees opportunities to grow the economy as new technologies are developed to reduce greenhouse gases.

"Nobody talks about the cost of not fighting climate change," he said. "This cost is passed to citizens too, whether it's health care, coastal erosion or spectacular weather events. This is hugely expensive for our society."

Among the biggest concerns for both provinces over Energy East are protection against an oil spill from the 40-year-old pipeline and a guarantee that the natural gas supply will not become tight and push prices higher for consumers.

Ontario is expected soon to present its own list of criteria for approving the pipeline, says Keith Stewart, an Ontario- based climate campaigner with Greenpeace.

“Ontario and Quebec in particular have been saying that any kind of a national energy strategy has to include climate change and that is something the federal government just doesn't want to hear,” he said.

Much of the work of addressing climate change has fallen to the provinces, because of the absence of a national strategy.

Quebec laid out conditions

Quebec's Environment Minister David Heurtel waded into the volatile politics of pipelines with a letter to TransCanada made public yesterday that set seven conditions, including a look at the project by Quebec’s environmental review board.

Like B.C. Premier Christy Clark, who wants benefits for her province from the Northern Gateway pipeline, Heurtel also asked for an assurance the project will generate economic benefits for all of Quebec.

Calgary energy analyst Bill Gwozd says these kind of demands are not reasonable for a business project.

“You can take it to the extreme, and in Canada we are supposed to be this free trade country,” he told CBC. "Between provinces we don't have this situation where each province is supposed to benefit."

Quebec’s other conditions:

A thorough emergency plan, including a compensation fund in case of a spill.

Consultation with nearby communities on potential social impacts.

Respect for the highest technical standards, assuring public safety and environmental protection.

Involvement of First Nations to satisfy their concerns.

No impact on Quebec’s natural gas supply.

Natural gas utilities in Ontario and Quebec have asked the National Energy Board to demand a new review of gas needs from TransCanada.

They fear their customers will be vulnerable to winter shortages and price spikes because of the elimination of the natural gas pipeline.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/business/ontario-quebec-sign-deals-on-electricity-climate-change-1.2844837
 

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A pipeline doesn't being money?

It does. Upgrading the heavy oil for the petrochemical industry- why sell logs when you can sell lumber is an apt analogy.
You posted a thread on the manufacturing rebound in Ontario- bet those jobs are mostly under 20 an hr.
Electricity costs in Ontario are thru the roof.
Thank Macsquinty for that.
How well did that multi billion dollar green energy plan work out for people in Ontario- the Province is headed for a deep recession.
Think about a 2 or 3 % rise in interest costs.
 

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Quebec issued seven conditions for TransCanada Corp.'s $12-billion Energy East pipeline on Thursday, including a demand for a provincial environmental review.
Fill you boots. Feds dropped out of that racket, remember? Duh!
 

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If HQ can teach Hydro One how to add, subtract, multiply, divide and all that stuff - you know: arithmetic - and quit goofing around with tattletale meters ... oh yeah ... and puts my hydro bill back down to believable numbers, I'm all for it
 

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Climate change must be addressed in any plan to carry energy across the country, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said at a news conference in Toronto after meeting with Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard.

“We believe that from the centre of the country we are giving Canadians the leadership that is much needed,” she said.


Looks like Harper's rep is getting worse the longer he avoids the issue.
 

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Climate change must be addressed in any plan to carry energy across the country, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said at a news conference in Toronto after meeting with Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard.

“We believe that from the centre of the country we are giving Canadians the leadership that is much needed,” she said.


Looks like Harper's rep is getting worse the longer he avoids the issue.

I bet you love that deal with China. Well it ain't gonna work.
look at India- they all about said shove the deal where the sun don't shine.
 

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Buy shares in any company even remotely involved in building rail cars and equipment. While worthless dither about a few votes the oil will flow whatever way possible. Oil spill cleanup would also be a worthy investment since railways are notorious for wrecks.
 

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And how on Earth does Mr Wynne plan on addressing climate change? Stick with Orinoco heavy imports?

Buy shares in any company even remotely involved in building rail cars and equipment. While worthless dither about a few votes the oil will flow whatever way possible. Oil spill cleanup would also be a worthy investment since railways are notorious for wrecks.

You can't buy shares in UTLX. Greens are making a 100% private company massive amounts of money.
 

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And how on Earth does Mr Wynne plan on addressing climate change? Stick with Orinoco heavy imports?



You can't buy shares in UTLX. Greens are making a 100% private company massive amounts of money.

Kill off all the industry that can not be run out of Starbucks.
 

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Canada losing friends over climate change

Stephen Harper is running out of places to hide on the environment.

The prime minister tucked himself behind the United States for seven years, promising to move in lockstep with Canada’s powerful neighbour and biggest trading partner on climate change. But President Barack Obama has leapt out in front him, determined to use his second term to leave a positive legacy on climate change.

He sheltered in China’s dirty shadow, claiming it was unfair to ask Canada to cut its fossil fuel emissions while the world’s economic powerhouse was spewing greenhouses gases into the atmosphere with abandon. But President Xi Jinping stripped him of that excuse last week, pledging to halt the growth of his country’s emissions by 2030.

He held up Alberta — “a stable, reliable energy producer in a volatile, unpredictable world” — as his shield. But even its premier, Jim Prentice, is distancing himself from Harper’s head-in-the-tarsands approach. He vowed in a speech last weekend to make Alberta “an environmental leader.”

Harper still has a few allies. Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott shares his view that it would be economic folly on impose “a job-killing carbon tax” on energy producers. He can make common cause with the remaining climate change holdouts: Libya, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Iran and Egypt.

But he has become increasingly isolated and Canada’s relations with its allies and trading partners are showing the strain. French President François Hollande made a vain plea to

Harper to act on climate change during his visit to Ottawa last month. The 120 heads of state who attended September’s United Nations Climate Summit in New York noted his absence. His aggressive lobbying for the Keystone XL pipeline alienated Obama.

On his latest foreign trip, the prime minister paid lip service to the environment. When the U.S. and China announced their game-changing deal to slash greenhouse gas emissions, he grudgingly welcomed the breakthrough. “For some time we have been saying we favour an international agreement that would include all the major emitters,” he said. But he made no move to cut or cap Canada’s fossil fuel emissions.

When Obama announced his $3-billion donation to the UN Green Climate Fund, Harper said Canada would make a contribution “in the not too distant future.”
Skeptics discount these vague promises. Harper will procrastinate, shift the focus, then move into election mode. His deft political footwork at last weekend’s G20 summit in Brisbane suggests they’re right. He succeeded in eclipsing Canada’s poor environmental record by boldly confronting Russian President Vladimir Putin over his incursions into Ukraine.

But now that he’s home, he will face more pointed and sustained questions:

Some of the country’s leading economists are challenging his contention that taxing pollution will handicap the economy. They believe that with the right fiscal framework Canada can be economically competitive and environmentally responsible. A growing number of political leaders — including most of the premiers — share that view. So do senior statesmen, industrialists, even oil producers.

Opposition to pipelines is spreading. Every major project in the country — Enbridge’s Northern Gateway to the B.C. coast, Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain line to Burnaby, TransCanada’s Energy East line to Eastern Canada, Enbridge’s Line 9B reversal in Ontario — is facing protests (Keystone XL has its own problems south of the border).With Alberta’s bitumen landlocked, Canada looks less like an “energy superpower” than a frustrated resource peddler.

Oil prices are plummeting. That casts doubts on Harper’s “steady hand on the tiller” economic strategy.
And the prime minister faces two rivals eager to clean up Canada’s act and restore its reputation as a responsible member of the international community. New Democratic Party

Leader Thomas Mulclair is promising to introduce a cap-and-trade system “that puts a clear market price on carbon,” invest in clean energy technology and “work with our international allies instead of working against them.” Justin Trudeau says a Liberal government would adopt a national climate change policy that includes greenhouse gas emission limits and shows the world Canada is no longer “forgetting about the environment in our drive to extract economic benefit from our resources.”

Harper is a master strategist. He knows how to get around obstacles, divide his opponents and silence his critics. He has navigated his way through trickier junctures than this.
But the moment Canadians decide they don’t want to be on the wrong side of the climate change issue, his last bulwark will buckle.

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/opin..._losing_friends_over_climate_change_goar.html
 

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What makes you think we want countries that are trying to destroy our economy as friends?

Come to think of it we don't want to have to call people in Canada that are trying to destroy our economy as friends.
 

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The clock is ticking.

If we don't get a pipeline out to China in the next few years, they won't be our friends either.

And if Obama vetoes the pipeline to the states, then climate change will be a very hot topic in Canada.
 

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What makes you think we want countries that are trying to destroy our economy as friends?

Come to think of it we don't want to have to call people in Canada that are trying to destroy our economy as friends.

Nobody countrry planet is trying to destroy our economy faster than we proud Canadians are. We have the power and the expertize strategicly placed to destroy our economy long before the Islamic Hordes and Putins Slavic night mare ever reach our shores. It's already been disstroyed a decade ago it just takes a while to tip over. Fuk it man we'll win this, stiff upper lip eh.
 

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The clock is ticking.

If we don't get a pipeline out to China in the next few years, they won't be our friends either.

And if Obama vetoes the pipeline to the states, then climate change will be a very hot topic in Canada.

Next year brings a new prez in the US. That will change things dramatically, especially since Harper will have another majority by that time, the liberals will be opposition and the dippers will be back in their normal place way way out in left field.