Tony Clement wants to eliminate bankable sick days for public servants


Locutus
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Treasury Board Minister Tony Clement says changes he has in mind for changing sick leave policy for public servants would tackle shortcomings with the outdated current setup such as addressing long term health issues like mental illness.

Clement said he’s proposing a format that would include five to seven sick days a year, a short term disability leave of a week to six months and long term leave for more than six months. The changes would also eliminate bankable sick days, he said.

Speaking at a provincial Progressive Conservative conference in Nova Scotia, Clement said the proposed changes are fair and would do more to address things like mental illness than the current system does.

“(The) 40-year-old sick leave system we have now really does not appropriately highlight some of the other factors that are now acknowledged, like mental health issues… whereas 40 years ago they might have been stigmatized,” said Clement in an interview, adding that mental illness currently accounts for nearly half of all sick leave.


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Tony Clement wants to eliminate bankable sick days for public servants in effort to fix outdated policy | National Post
 
SLM
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About damn time. Nobody should have bankable sick days.

I can't wait to see the arguments against it though.
 
captain morgan
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Let's see... We can start with:
  1. Entitlements
  2. Rights
  3. A Human Right
  4. Harper is the devil

You know, the usual
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

About damn time. Nobody should have bankable sick days.

I can't wait to see the arguments against it though.

yup...and then a payout (with our money) if they don't use them...
 
Twila
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There's a sense of entitlement that seems to come with being a public servant.
 
SLM
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Yeah, not to bash just on civil servants (although sometimes it's tempting ) but just the notion that anyone would get bankable sick days is pretty ridiculous. It's like getting your life insurance paid out to you if you live. Kind of not the point of it.
 
lone wolf
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...and this from a guy who siphoned off G8 funds earmarked for Huntsville for gazebos in Parry Sound
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

There's a sense of entitlement that seems to come with being a public servant.

A sense of entitlement is written into our contracts and you can come and take it from my cold, dead, tax-funded manicure hands.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

A sense of entitlement is written into our contracts and you can come and take it from my cold, dead, tax-funded manicure hands.

You may want to write to Tony Clement about that...

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Yeah, not to bash just on civil servants (although sometimes it's tempting ) but just the notion that anyone would get bankable sick days is pretty ridiculous. It's like getting your life insurance paid out to you if you live. Kind of not the point of it.

I agree.
 
Locutus
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pull a ronnie reagan and fire the self-entitled pricks.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

...and this from a guy who siphoned off G8 funds earmarked for Huntsville for gazebos in Parry Sound

Oh, I haven't forgotten about that either.

Doesn't mean he's in the wrong on this though.

Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

A sense of entitlement is written into our contracts and you can come and take it from my cold, dead, tax-funded manicure hands.

Noted.

To do: bring a crowbar.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Oh, I haven't forgotten about that either.

Doesn't mean he's in the wrong on this though.

Oh, I agree about the bankable sick days - just seems a bit ironic coming from a guy who abused taxpayers' money and never got more than a n'ya-n'ya
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Oh, I agree about the bankable sick days - just seems a bit ironic coming from a guy who abused taxpayers' money and never got more than a n'ya-n'ya

Well I do have the crowbar, it can be a multi-purpose tool ya know.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Yeah, not to bash just on civil servants (although sometimes it's tempting ) but just the notion that anyone would get bankable sick days is pretty ridiculous. It's like getting your life insurance paid out to you if you live. Kind of not the point of it.

There has been abuse, how much I do not know. But approaching retirement, find the right Dr, I am depressed, sketch it out.
Boom take sick leave.
And yes it has been done.
Most public companies have 5 -7 days or so per year, no carry over, and have STD and LTD.
Each of which is paid at a lower rate and non taxable. Reason why 70 % is the normal rate paid on STD-LTD.
Rare to see 80 % but a few companies have that. You pay more for it though.

Toronto Union Employees had it. Gone now under Ford if I recall correctly???
Abused up the ring piece.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Noted.

To do: bring a crowbar.

You're gonna need to fill out Form 343-12.1, in triplicate, which is an application to apply for a meeting with the deputy administrative assistant to the parliamentary secretary's secondary auxiliary at large (interim). Once your application is processed during the minimum 6 - 8 months (+/- 3 months) waiting period (no less than 25 months) and the benefits small council local 23981 has approved your crowbar as a WCB-approved standard leveraging device, you may then apply to pry my benefits from my cold dead hands.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

You're gonna need to fill out Form 343-12.1, in triplicate, which is an application to apply for a meeting with the deputy administrative assistant to the parliamentary secretary's secondary auxiliary at large (interim). Once your application is processed during the minimum 6 - 8 months (+/- 3 months) waiting period (no less than 25 months) and the benefits small council local 23981 has approved your crowbar as a WCB-approved standard leveraging device, you may then apply to pry my benefits from my cold dead hands.

be careful what you wish for...just saying
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

be careful what you wish for...just saying

Yikes, OK... I wish the Conservative government is thrown out of office in 2015. Careful what you wish for! Hey Justin! My favourite virtue is bankable sick days!
 
Count_Lothian
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The mean spiritedness of this government rears it's ugly head once again!


As someone who has never worked for anyone I tend to think there should be a number of jobs that are just that which is being attacked here.

Life sucks for the working class, at least some can enjoy a job for life and lax sick days rules. And what ever else they can grind out for themselves.
Jealousy and the haters might not think so, and they have every right to show themselves for this hatred and animosity to who exactly? Working class heroes trying to stave off what the big boys toss at them in the guise of corporate fiscal values.

I'm also a supporter of Unions and hardcore union antics that get workers more and more power.

why not eh! this whole let them eat cake routine is for the haters.

 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by Count_LothianView Post

The mean spiritedness of this government rears it's ugly head once again!


As someone who has never worked for anyone I tend to think there should be a number of jobs that are just that which is being attacked here.

Life sucks for the working class, at least some can enjoy a job for life and lax sick days rules. And what ever else they can grind out for themselves.
Jealousy and the haters might not think so, and they have every right to show themselves for this hatred and animosity to who exactly? Working class heroes trying to stave off what the big boys toss at them in the guise of corporate fiscal values.

I'm also a supporter of Unions and hardcore union antics that get workers more and more power.

why not eh! this whole let them eat cake routine is for the haters.

I had not thought about it this way. Sometimes one can not see all the sides and nuances.
 
DaSleeper
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Been to Detroit lately?
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

I had not thought about it this way. Sometimes one can not see all the sides and nuances.


Everyone strives to get the most for the least... That sentiment applies equally to employers & employees, public & private sector.

Bringing in any form of 'class warfare' into this issue is nothing more than a deliberate distraction from the core issue
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

A sense of entitlement is written into our contracts and you can come and take it from my cold, dead, tax-funded manicure hands.

We can arrainge that.

Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

You're gonna need to fill out Form 343-12.1, in triplicate, which is an application to apply for a meeting with the deputy administrative assistant to the parliamentary secretary's secondary auxiliary at large (interim). Once your application is processed during the minimum 6 - 8 months (+/- 3 months) waiting period (no less than 25 months) and the benefits small council local 23981 has approved your crowbar as a WCB-approved standard leveraging device, you may then apply to pry my benefits from my cold dead hands.

We got nonunion contractors that work on oiece work. They are not predisposed to waiting for pencil pushers. They largely prefer the tried and true kill them all and let gawd sort them out method.
Never had a complaint yet.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

We can arrainge that.

Someone has already offered-up a crow bar

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

We got nonunion contractors that work on oiece work. They are not predisposed to waiting for pencil pushers. They largely prefer the tried and true kill them all and let gawd sort them out method.
Never had a complaint yet.

The guys that I would have thought might act as 'consultants' on a job like this are the kind of guys that don't do much readin' or writin' (in triplicate no less).

Probably be a pretty short conversation
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Someone has already offered-up a crow bar



The guys that I would have thought might act as 'consultants' on a job like this are the kind of guys that don't do much readin' or writin' (in triplicate no less).

Probably be a pretty short conversation

I see you met uncle Louis
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

Yikes, OK... I wish the Conservative government is thrown out of office in 2015. Careful what you wish for! Hey Justin! My favourite virtue is bankable sick days!

lol....that's quite the virtue...I am into energy flow....every thought counts...just saying, don't be talking about your cold dead hands...
 
Spade
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Bankable sick days was an attempt by government to encourage employees not to book off sick using the carrot of what-if-you're-horribly-sick-in-the-future argument. Eliminating bankable sick days will not reduce sick leave but will make the system more sympathetic to employee illness.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Bankable sick days was an attempt by government to encourage employees not to book off sick using the carrot of what-if-you're-horribly-sick-in-the-future argument. Eliminating bankable sick days will not reduce sick leave but will make the system more sympathetic to employee illness.

agreed...when sick, people need to be protected...I don't have a problem with that...but paid out at the end...yeah I have a problem with that
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

I see you met uncle Louis

Yes... Old Uncle Louis... He did love, ever so much, his old Cadillac.

Yep, old Uncle Louis (de Ville)...

Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Bankable sick days was an attempt by government to encourage employees not to book off sick using the carrot of what-if-you're-horribly-sick-in-the-future argument. Eliminating bankable sick days will not reduce sick leave but will make the system more sympathetic to employee illness.

Ummm. The gvt didn't 'offer' bankable sick days.. The Union demanded that concession as an incentive to the membership... I'm guessing that there was some kinda crazy outbreaks of the flu, a strain that only infected the public sector, unionized employees.

Just goes to show that even viruses can be persnickety little buggers
 
Spade
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Nonsense, the "bankable" aspect was used by unions to sell paid sick leave to employers.
 
petros
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Med LOA gets you pogey.
 
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