Ontario Election 2014 - The Official Thread


mentalfloss
#1
Post thoughts about the upcoming election here.

What do you think of the outcome of the Liberal budget?

Did the NDP make the right move?

Where do we go from here?

Who should win and why?
 
BornRuff
+1
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Post thoughts about the upcoming election here.

What do you think of the outcome of the Liberal budget?

Did the NDP make the right move?

Where do we go from here?

Who should win and why?

I never quite get why a party in the NDP's position would do this. I really can't see them gaining any more power than they have right now.

Either they end up with a PC government that isn't going to be very friendly to them at all, or they end up with a new mandate for the Liberals who can now push them around a lot more with said new mandate.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#3
A reputable link.
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lone wolf
Free Thinker
+2
#4
I don't think a Provincial election called in a municipal election year is a good thing for voters. Burn-out affects turn-out. Now, more than ever, people should be involved in the decision-making process.
 
mentalfloss
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

I never quite get why a party in the NDP's position would do this. I really can't see them gaining any more power than they have right now.

Either they end up with a PC government that isn't going to be very friendly to them at all, or they end up with a new mandate for the Liberals who can now push them around a lot more with said new mandate.

Yup.

I think someone paid the piper.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Yup.

I think someone paid the piper.

Right, more debt was the way to go. Note that NDP support was dropping. No one paid squat.
Ontario was well on the way to a 3rd world debt level.
 
BornRuff
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Right, more debt was the way to go. Note that NDP support was dropping. No one paid squat.
Ontario was well on the way to a 3rd world debt level.

The PCs won't be able to change it all that much. The deficit will fall, but it will fall under the Liberals or the NDP too as the economy continues to grow.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

The PCs won't be able to change it all that much. The deficit will fall, but it will fall under the Liberals or the NDP too as the economy continues to grow.

And what was the Libs budget going to do?
 
BornRuff
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I don't think a Provincial election called in a municipal election year is a good thing for voters. Burn-out affects turn-out. Now, more than ever, people should be involved in the decision-making process.

At least the provincial elections are quick. The mayoral election is still 6 months away and it has already been going on for months.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+2
#10
Which mayoral election? There is more than one - and this isn't about him

List of mayors in Ontario - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
 
BornRuff
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Which mayoral election? There is more than one - and this isn't about him

List of mayors in Ontario - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)

I am talking about my mayor, but the date and set up are exactly the same for any other municipality in Ontario.
Last edited by BornRuff; May 2nd, 2014 at 05:11 PM..
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+1
#12
Regardless, I don't like that we have a Provincial election coming in a municipal election year. Sorry to have distracted you....
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

What do you think of the outcome of the Liberal budget?

Insanity. An attempt to buy the short-sighted electorate with their own money, leaving them a rapidly-swelling debt. Absolutely irresponsible.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Did the NDP make the right move?

Where do we go from here?

Who should win and why?

Yes, they did the right thing.

The Conservatives SHOULD win, but I think all parties are in play.....it is a horse race.
 
BornRuff
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Regardless, I don't like that we have a Provincial election coming in a municipal election year. Sorry to have distracted you....

Meh, all I am saying is that I like the format for provincial and federal elections better. A month is more than enough time to be bombarded with this stuff.

I don't know how you would change it with a fixed election date though. Maybe once they declare in January, we lock them all in some secure facility with no communication with the outside world until September, and if any of their staff even mention their name publicly they are disqualified. Seems reasonable to me.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+1
#15
I'm inclined to believe if they're going in with No on the mind, they should be out the door. Discussion and reasonable compromise works a lot better than sticking to party lines. Don't they read their own anti-bully anti-gang rules?
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#16
Post thoughts about the upcoming election here.

What do you think of the outcome of the Liberal budget? There was a budget? I thought this was bribery.

Did the NDP make the right move?
Yes, finally!

Where do we go from here? I'm going to get a beer. I'll be right back.


Who should win and why? Anybody but Wynne. Actually, the best way to keep the hand wringers happy would be a Conservative Minority. But sweet bugger ll would get done.
 
Walter
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I don't think a Provincial election called in a municipal election year is a good thing for voters. Burn-out affects turn-out. Now, more than ever, people should be involved in the decision-making process.

People who want to be will be.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+2
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Insanity. An attempt to buy the short-sighted electorate with their own money, leaving them a rapidly-swelling debt. Absolutely irresponsible.

I believe it was put forth with no intent of coming into law. It was a political game from the start. Wyn has put her sights squarley on the NDP and this appears to be her strategy -- kill the NDP, hopefully grab all the left wing support, and fandangle herself a majority. The sad part is it just might work. As you say, there are people who like being bribed with their own money.


Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Yes, they did the right thing.

I don't think either choice was the right choice for them. But it was clearly not about a choice. Wyn made no attempt to work or try to work with the other parties. Wyn wanted an election and created one.

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

The Conservatives SHOULD win, but I think all parties are in play.....it is a horse race.

Hudak turned a sure victory into a defeat last election. I am not holding my breath he has what it takes to win this one.
 
Count_Lothian
#19
It's all going to come out pretty much the same, a Liberal minority.

I will bet any wager Hudak will cry out that if does not get a majority the other two will make a coalation government. which did not happen this time and will never happen, but morons will fear this for reasons they don't quite know why and vote conservative....

hahahahahaha

it worked for harper


Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

I believe it was put forth with no intent of coming into law. It was a political game from the start. Wyn has put her sights squarley on the NDP and this appears to be her strategy -- kill the NDP, hopefully grab all the left wing support, and fandangle herself a majority. The sad part is it just might work. As you say, there are people who like being bribed with their own money.




I don't think either choice was the right choice for them. But it was clearly not about a choice. Wyn made no attempt to work or try to work with the other parties. Wyn wanted an election and created one.



Hudak turned a sure victory into a defeat last election. I am not holding my breath he has what it takes to win this one.

wish i could multiple rep you on this .
You really have a handle on provincial politics.


so far anyway, I'll watch this guy.

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

The Conservatives SHOULD win, but I think all parties are in play.....it is a horse race.

I would like to see them win as well. If for nothing else than some old school fiscal spending.

I think it's time eh.


Unfortunately I don't see a horse race at all. The Liberals will get another minority, Hudak will lose his job , John Tory will wish he held out from running for mayor and think he might have another crack at the leasdership . lol... just kidding.

Horvath has a horrible personality . She has a horrid haircut and nervous skin. lol....
When it comes to the NDP I go for the lowest common denominator in critiquing ...lol
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Count_LothianView Post

Horvath has a horrible personality . She has a horrid haircut and nervous skin. lol....
When it comes to the NDP I go for the lowest common denominator in critiquing ...lol

She is no longer the ugliest woman in the race though.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#21
Provincial election and a Miss Ontario contest at the same time? Interesting....
 
Count_Lothian
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

She is no longer the ugliest woman in the race though.

Looks aside , can you imagine Horvath at the helm with a majority, !shudders!
There is no one in that provincial party even with a semblance of fiscal responsibility.
And!!!!!
The fact she snubbed the grand daddy of all NDP esque budgets shows she is self serving and not the socialist worry monger she would have people believe.

Serioulsy , she would never have had the kahhunnas to even sugest that sort of budget for the people she so defends and supposedly works for.

If anything Wynne showed her for what she is. A gift that should keep on giving through out the campaign. Wynne will work it into her speeches and debates.
 
mentalfloss
#23
In this thread we find out that deficit spending is inherently evil.

Except when Harper did it.
 
Count_Lothian
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

In this thread we find out Harper is allowed deficit spending but no one else is.

Quantitative easing is a whole other ball of wax than just blowing money on programs and social issues not actually aimed at keeping the economy from free fall.

It's a tight rope best served shortly, and it's odd but you might have touched off a nerve centre.
Using QE as an excuse to spend like drunken sailors is not it's intent, but could be viewed as such by not so brilliant administrations of governments to come.
 
Walter
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

In this thread we find out that deficit spending is inherently evil.

Except when Harper did it.

Even when Harper did it. Don't fergit that the Libs and NDP wanted him to spend more.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#26
Fixed election dates would make life easier for everyone.

I was giving some thought to splitting all elections into two year blocks like many municipal ones are where half the seats are up for election every two years.The benifit would be mainly in contenuity. WWwworks well wih independents, not sure how it would work with parties. I hope it would force them to work together to do what is best for the province/country rather than the party.
 
Count_Lothian
+1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

I hope it would force them to work together to do what is best for the province/country rather than the party.

They never work together to do what is best.

The opposition lives for the others' failure. When the government fails the opposition gloats.
All oppositions.
 
Walter
#28
Wynne will win the Far Side look-alike contest.
www.bing.com/images/search?q=...ectedIndex=332 (external - login to view)
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Count_LothianView Post

They never work together to do what is best.

The opposition lives for the others' failure. When the government fails the opposition gloats.
All oppositions.

Don't be a pesimest. The object is to change the system to make it work for us, not them.
 
Count_Lothian
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Don't be a pesimest. The object is to change the system to make it work for us, not them.

Do you think by posting that that I actually support this paradigm.
Look to the south of us and the deep divide and living hatred the two parties have developed in their supporters .
The parties get together after the election in the States and ask the people to get along, after they inflame them with billions of dollars spent on attack ads for years.

It has nothing to do with pessimism .

It's reality.
 

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