Our embarrassing health care wait times

Locutus

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If this chart means anything, it means that Canadians in one part of the country do not have the same access to health care as Canadians in other parts of the country. And that surely means we’re failing on living up to notion of “universal health care”:




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Our embarrassing health care wait times | David Akin’s On the Hill

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2013 Report | Fraser Institute
 

damngrumpy

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Stats and that is all they are. I had a serious problem or what could have been.
From the day it was discovered to the day I had a specialist and an operation
was a month and a few days. A lot of these things are situations of circumstance.
The problem is everyone wants to be first. I had a problem several years ago
yes it was a problem not life and death and i had to wait so what. When it is
really serious the line moves. Our medical care has features that many don't
have like you won't become homeless cause you need an operation and we have
access to really inexpensive health care insurance. I am sick of people complaining
 

Walter

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Stats and that is all they are. I had a serious problem or what could have been.
From the day it was discovered to the day I had a specialist and an operation
was a month and a few days. A lot of these things are situations of circumstance.
The problem is everyone wants to be first. I had a problem several years ago
yes it was a problem not life and death and i had to wait so what. When it is
really serious the line moves. Our medical care has features that many don't
have like you won't become homeless cause you need an operation and we have
access to really inexpensive health care insurance. I am sick of people complaining
Who becomes homeless because of medical care?
 

#juan

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I am approaching my seventy fifth year. It has been over fifty years since I left home. to go on my own. The point I'm trying to make is that I have seen our health care system since it started. Complaining about wait times seems a little silly when at one time, there was no doctor to see. Our two children are now in their forties. We have seen them, and their children, through Measles, Chickenpox, and all the other damn maladies that came around. I don't consider wait times to be embarrassing. In this country we don't go bankrupt from medical bills. In some countries medical bills are the main reason for bankruptcy.
 

karrie

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In this country we don't go bankrupt from medical bills. In some countries medical bills are the main reason for bankruptcy.

Some people still do. Conditions like MS that require equipment and pricey meds, can still bankrupt many Canadians. We're still much much better off, but, there's room for improvement.
 

Sons of Liberty

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In this country we don't go bankrupt from medical bills.

Actually, you do.

In some countries medical bills are the main reason for bankruptcy.

Name a couple.

Some people still do. Conditions like MS that require equipment and pricey meds, can still bankrupt many Canadians. We're still much much better off, but, there's room for improvement.

Your percentage is on par with the US last I checked, give or take a few points.
 

#juan

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Actually, you do.



Name a couple.



Your percentage is on par with the US last I checked, give or take a few points.

Absolute bull. Canadians have gone broke because they've been too ill to work but not because of their medical bills. In the U.S. thi biggest cause of bankruptcy is medical costs.
 

L Gilbert

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Absolute bull. Canadians have gone broke because they've been too ill to work but not because of their medical bills. In the U.S. thi biggest cause of bankruptcy is medical costs.
uhuh
My mother's daily ration of medicines cost almost $380 per day which she paid out of her pocket when she went to get refills. The only relief she got was in April when she could claim some it on i. tax.
At the rate the Health Authorities are going, everyone in BC will be flat broke in the not too distant future. Well, except for the rich who can afford to have offshore banks n whatnot and can afford to go on medical vacations (I heard Cuba's average rate for a hip replacement is about 5 grand and they are very well done and very quickly done ).
An example? The HA managers have said "cutbacks" at the Nelson 1st aid station. A few years back it was discovered that the roof leaked.Some idiot apparently thought it leaked because the building wasn't pretty enough. So they painted it. Couple years later they finally had the idea to reroof it.
A paramedic friend of mine told me he and another fella (one was already on overtime) drove 5 hours from the Koots to Kelowna so a patient could chat with a neurosurgeon for 15 minutes or so and then drove another 5 hours back. Meantime, next door neighbor fell and broke her ankle. She's in her 80s. The ambulance didn't get to her till almost 3 hours later (probably shuttling a patient around the province for a chat or two with doctors.
Lately, an ex-con finished his sentence but then got wounded with infection. He wrote a letter to the editor saying that cons were given better food than patients.
Last thing I heard was that if patient didn't make sure to have it entered into the diet computer, there'd be no fluids or condiments on the mealtrays. I bet that'd make the few nurses with a heavy workload happy when patients start asking for salt n pepper and tea. Cutbacks, uhuh. Tea, salt n pepper, and juices are loads more expensive and inefficient than 10 hour trips.

Want more examples of HA mismanagement? Wifey's writing a letter to the MOH and the newsmedia. It's a pretty big list.
 

Sons of Liberty

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Absolute bull. Canadians have gone broke because they've been too ill to work but not because of their medical bills. In the U.S. thi biggest cause of bankruptcy is medical costs.

Bull, huh? http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/bsf-osb.nsf/vwapj/Redish-Sarra-Schabas-2006-ENG.pdf/$FILE/Redish-Sarra-Schabas-2006-ENG.pdf

Fifteen percent are because of medical reasons. BTW that report is from your government.
 
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#juan

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http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/bsf-osb.nsf/vwapj/Redish-Sarra-Schabas-2006-ENG.pdf/$FILE/Redish-Sarra-Schabas-2006-ENG.pdf
 

Sons of Liberty

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In the U.S. thi biggest cause of bankruptcy is medical costs.

Using your own words, "absolute bull".

This past year, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) responded to a request by Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) by examining 5,203 bankruptcy cases from the files of the U.S. Trustee Program. The filings occurred between 2000 and 2002, the same time frame as the filings studied by Himmelstein and colleagues. The DOJ reported that 90 percent of filers had medical debt of less than $5,000. Of those reporting medical debts, those debts accounted for only 13 percent of total unsecured debt. The DOJ summarizes the evidence against Himmelstein and colleagues’ thesis as follows: “The conclusion that almost 50 percent of consumer bankruptcies are ‘medical related’ requires a broad definition and generally is not substantiated by the official documents filed by debtors.” Taking these surveys under consideration, we observe that although medical costs have risen sharply over four decades, medical debt remains a small part of the overall burden of those filing for bankruptcy.
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/2/w74.long