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Liberalman
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#1Jan 18th, 2013
Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Ontario Progressive Conservative leader Tim Hudak wants to cut welfare off of people that have fallen on hard times as a solution of the province’s cash shortfall.

The government is supposed to help create jobs by making it favourable for businesses to set up and run their companies and employ people when the business moves away for cheaper pastures because of government’s greed then they should be responsible for unemployed people that have fallen on hard times.

Our economy runs as a big supply chain and when a small link breaks then the whole engine slows down and cost more to get back to running efficiently.

We pay taxes to the government to keep us out of harm’s way and give us all a better lifestyle and the government sees the whole picture and is supposed to act accordingly to make sure it’s smooth sailing with minimal surprises and every so often there is an oddball like Tim Hudak who means well and has good intentions that wants to throw a monkey wrench into system and start the process all over.

Is welfare the government’s fault? I would say yes.

What do you think?
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tay
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#2

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Yes I think it is for all the reasons you mentioned.

As for Hudak, well his Tea Party metallity supported by the Kock brother sponsored Frasier Institute hasn't fared well on their other brilliant imports from the USA so I suspect the reallity will come around for him on this subject as well.........


Hudak got off too easy for his role in Ontario’s budget crisis
 
Nuggler
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#3

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Hoodat is a neocon basket case. Makes Mike Harris look like Mother Theresa.

If Ont. ever elects this throwback, we will deserve every piece of feces he downloads onto us.

Maybe he can win a 35% "majority" like chubby Steve.
 
Walter
+4
#4

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Hoodat is a neocon basket case. Makes Mike Harris look like Mother Theresa.

If Ont. ever elects this throwback, we will deserve every piece of feces he downloads onto us.

Maybe he can win a 35% "majority" like chubby Steve.

Mike Harris: low unemployment, balanced budgets, paying down the debt, booming economy; sure don't want to go back to that crap.
 
Nuggler
#5

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
What province was that in Walter?

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...4C3VtXOVfIPkjw

Nat.Post:Mike Harris didn’t respect the public service. He cost students tens of millions of school days due to needless labour disputes. He arbitrarily cut necessary services that cost the province more to replace via consultants than it had when done by civil servants. He did lasting damage to health care and education with deep, indiscriminate cuts. He tried to mislead voters by hiding debts off the books, and quit politics when it became clear he could not be re-elected.

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http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...41248874,d.dmQ


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He and his wife started up a "seniors care" thingy. I hope you wind up there someday.
Last edited by Nuggler; Jan 18th, 2013 at 08:40 AM..
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
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#6

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?



No it is not the government's fault but they are a piece of the puzzle. They can support the growth of the economy or kill it via their policies. You are right that our system functions like the ecosystem. Destroy one piece of it and everything falls apart. There are so many factors it is like trying to juggle a million balls, each part does affect another.

As for welfare, he hasn't a clue. And it is this mindless indifference to the human condition that is disturbing. It is this me first and screw you, in fact the lower down you go the higher I go... this mentality is what killed the whole economy of the States.

Welfare will always be a necessity and those of us who can support the weaker have a moral obligation to do so.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+4
#7

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

Welfare will always be a necessity and those of us who can support the weaker have a moral obligation to do so.

There is another side to the 'responsibility coin' regarding this issue and excepting those that are infirm, elderly or unable, there needs to be a cut-off point where the system stops being an option as opposed to a last-ditch requirement
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
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#8

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

There is another side to the 'responsibility coin' regarding this issue and excepting those that are infirm, elderly or unable, there needs to be a cut-off point where the system stops being an option as opposed to a last-ditch requirement

Totally agree.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+3
#9

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

Totally agree.


I always knew that you were smarter than most.
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
#10

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I always knew that you were smarter than most.

well, I am smarter than I look, lol...my smarts are fleeting some days at best...
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#11

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
I think the jist of it is that unlike currently, he would pay more or not pay less if the person was working.

If the person is perenially out of work, not sure why they should continue to get government subsidy. At the very least it should be time limited unless there are other factors.
 
Walter
#12

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

What province was that in Walter?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...4C3VtXOVfIPkjw
Nat.Post:Mike Harris didn’t respect the public service. He cost students tens of millions of school days due to needless labour disputes. He arbitrarily cut necessary services that cost the province more to replace via consultants than it had when done by civil servants. He did lasting damage to health care and education with deep, indiscriminate cuts. He tried to mislead voters by hiding debts off the books, and quit politics when it became clear he could not be re-elected.
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http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...41248874,d.dmQ

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Impeccable sources. Can't argue with lefty blogs because they have drunk the Kool-Aid.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+4
#13

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Mike Harris: low unemployment, balanced budgets, paying down the debt, booming economy; sure don't want to go back to that crap.

No.... We'd hate to have all that cheap electricity that once attracted industry to the population. We might have to close down a golf course to build some factories.
 
TeddyBallgame
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#14

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Impeccable sources. Can't argue with lefty blogs because they have drunk the Kool-Aid.

- Walter, how dare you argue with CanadianContent`s Moochers, Morons and Misfits! This forum is a Mecca or a magnet for the M,M&Ms and since they all tend in one form or another to live off the public trough, anyone who might threaten to tinker with said trough scares the hell out of them. In Hudak`s case, liberalman who has Pierre Trudea`s picture as his avatar and seems to have all of the brains and gravitas of Justin Trudeau starts off with a bloody lie about Hudak`s intentions which, in fact, are designed to increase welfar recipients`motivation to work by enabling them to keep more of their welfare money while they earn money in part time and low wage jobs. It sounds like something worth doing or at least thinking about rather than deliberately distorting and attacking out of hand

- Naturally, this crap thread went right to the top of silobreaker while my thread on the fire fighters union rip offs wasn`t even included there. I wonder what lefty weasel is manning the silobreaker site today.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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#15  Top Rated Post

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

There is another side to the 'responsibility coin' regarding this issue and excepting those that are infirm, elderly or unable, there needs to be a cut-off point where the system stops being an option as opposed to a last-ditch requirement

I'd have to agree with you....

Having been stuck on the system while fighting to get Workers Compensation, then again for ODSP, I have had opportunity to see some career welfare folk at their finest. I suggest reinstating home visits. You'd probably be amazed at the number of addresses that are vacant lots and abandoned buildings.
 
TeddyBallgame
#16

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I'd have to agree with you....

Having been stuck on the system while fighting to get Workers Compensation, then again for ODSP, I have had opportunity to see some career welfare folk at their finest. I suggest reinstating home visits. You'd probably be amazed at the number of addresses that are vacant lots and abandoned buildings.

- LW ... Good point. Regrettably, home visits are too much like work so I`m thinking that the union (OPSEU) would successfully fight such a policy change and besides the continuing growth of the unionized labour force involved in the welfare system depends somewhat on the continuing growth in the number of welfare recipients so this is another reason that the union would fight such a change. As well, there would be potentially successful challenges under PET`s Charter.
 
Nuggler
#17

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I'd have to agree with you....

Having been stuck on the system while fighting to get Workers Compensation, then again for ODSP, I have had opportunity to see some career welfare folk at their finest. I suggest reinstating home visits. You'd probably be amazed at the number of addresses that are vacant lots and abandoned buildings.


These have been mostly replaced by subsidized housing.

Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Impeccable sources. Can't argue with lefty blogs because they have drunk the Kool-Aid.


If the facts can't be refuted, shoot the messenger,. Good stuff, Wally.
 
gerryh
+3
#18

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

- Walter, how dare you argue with CanadianContent`s Moochers, Morons and Misfits! This forum is a Mecca or a magnet for the M,M&Ms and since they all tend in one form or another to live off the public trough, anyone who might threaten to tinker with said trough scares the hell out of them. In Hudak`s case, liberalman who has Pierre Trudea`s picture as his avatar and seems to have all of the brains and gravitas of Justin Trudeau starts off with a bloody lie about Hudak`s intentions which, in fact, are designed to increase welfar recipients`motivation to work by enabling them to keep more of their welfare money while they earn money in part time and low wage jobs. It sounds like something worth doing or at least thinking about rather than deliberately distorting and attacking out of hand

- Naturally, this crap thread went right to the top of silobreaker while my thread on the fire fighters union rip offs wasn`t even included there. I wonder what lefty weasel is manning the silobreaker site today.

If CC is so full of those that you despise, why are you still here? That is a rhetorical question, I already know the answer. The reason is, is that you are ultimatley a troll. ALL your posts are derogatory in nature towards to majority of the membership. You are unable to post ANY comment without denigrating someone.
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
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#19

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

- Naturally, this crap thread went right to the top of silobreaker while my thread on the fire fighters union rip offs wasn`t even included there. I wonder what lefty weasel is manning the silobreaker site today.

Calm down you are going to give yourself a stroke, try a nice cup of green tea, a lotus yoga position and maybe a few tokes. You will feel so much more relaxed, and happier and loving. Peace TBall.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
+2
#20

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?
Ontario Progressive Conservative leader Tim Hudak wants to cut welfare off of people that have fallen on hard times as a solution of the province’s cash shortfall.
The government is supposed to help create jobs by making it favourable for businesses to set up and run their companies and employ people when the business moves away for cheaper pastures because of government’s greed then they should be responsible for unemployed people that have fallen on hard times.
Our economy runs as a big supply chain and when a small link breaks then the whole engine slows down and cost more to get back to running efficiently.
We pay taxes to the government to keep us out of harm’s way and give us all a better lifestyle and the government sees the whole picture and is supposed to act accordingly to make sure it’s smooth sailing with minimal surprises and every so often there is an oddball like Tim Hudak who means well and has good intentions that wants to throw a monkey wrench into system and start the process all over.

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I agree with Cap'n Morgan, but I also think that welfare recipients should have to perform a service and actually do something beneficial for the public in exchange for the welfare. My dad told me a couple times that Forestry used to scoot into the bars and "recruit" welfare people to fight fires and help with other gov't duties, for instance.
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
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#21

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
I also wish there was a way to increase the money given to woman on Mother's Allowance along with an incentive program so that more babies aren't produced as a meal ticket for mum. I just think some of those kids suffer in horrible ways and it isn't fair. So some kind of payout system or bonus system for getting off of the dead end road. And if there is alcoholism and drug abuse then they receive their cheques at the end of a mandatory help session.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#22

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
That in theory is one thing actual practice, it is ill advised and presents more problems
than solutions. First everyone gets painted with the same brush in these cases and the
problems get sorted out later.
In the meantime some lose their meager homes. now you have homeless to deal with.
Some enter into the life of crime and property crime at that which produces unsafe
streets for the average citizen.
Some are forced to the food banks and other agencies and more and more people put
legitimate volunteer agencies under undo pressure.
The result? Social unrest and it ends up costing agencies and government agencies
millions more in the long run. The only remedy ends up, You guessed it Welfare.
Some are better off on welfare and its cheaper for you and I. How so? Crime will
increase and job training for some people is a bigger waste of money than welfare.
Can you imagine finding a job or a training program for some of the people you see on TV from
the Lower East Side of Vancouver? This is rhetoric and headline grabbing as for real
solution with value? Not so much.
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
+1
#23

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post


- Naturally, this crap thread went right to the top of silobreaker while my thread on the fire fighters union rip offs wasn`t even included there. I wonder what lefty weasel is manning the silobreaker site today.

Oh my goodness! Could you sound any more pathetic and whiny?

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I'd have to agree with you....

Having been stuck on the system while fighting to get Workers Compensation, then again for ODSP, I have had opportunity to see some career welfare folk at their finest. I suggest reinstating home visits. You'd probably be amazed at the number of addresses that are vacant lots and abandoned buildings.

My sis-in-law does intake for Ontario Works (Welfare), there are stories I've heard believe me. But then again there are other stories where the system, and some of the people who work there and just don't give a damn, really just screws people over. There are great big gaping holes where those who know how can play the system easy, then there are some areas where the rules and regs are so rigid that someone who is legitimately in need can't get the help they need.

Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

Calm down you are going to give yourself a stroke, try a nice cup of green tea, a lotus yoga position and maybe a few tokes. You will feel so much more relaxed, and happier and loving. Peace TBall.

LOL. That I would pay good money to see!
 
china
Conservative
#24

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
[QUOTE=Liberalman;1701016]Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?
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Yes , It is government's fault .They should stop paying money to those bums and use them to do some public work in the community .(sweeping streets is a good beginning ) . Work is dignity .
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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#25

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
[QUOTE=china;1701353]
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?
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Yes , It is government's fault .They should stop paying money to those bums and use them to do some public work in the community .(sweeping streets is a good beginning ) . Work is dignity .

It's not as black-and-white as your tarred brush thinks. Too often Welfare is the waiting area for bureacracy to shuffle its feet before filing someone into long-term disability support.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+2
#26

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 18th, 2013
I consider all government jobs as high paid welfare.
 
petros
+1
#27

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 19th, 2013
Welfare goes right back into the economy and IS SUPPOSED to come from resources not taxes.
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
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#28

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 19th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

It's not as black-and-white as your tarred brush thinks. Too often Welfare is the waiting area for bureacracy to shuffle its feet before filing someone into long-term disability support.

Of course it isn't but why let that get in the way of defining something based on the lowest common denominator within any group. I mean c'mon, that's how we keep stigma and stereotypes alive dammit!
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#29

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 19th, 2013
Welfare's good, if used properly. Unfortunately too many abuse it and make it a generational thing. Around here, Amherst NS has the reputation not only for their number of teenage moms, but how those same teen moms are set up by their mothers (who were set up by their moms, etc) to get pregnant to either get money from the dad, or suck off the Welfare t i t. It's almost like an apprenticeship for some families.

And then there's the welfare people in every community who refuse to get a job for whatever reason but spend their checks on drugs.

And so on and so on.

Honestly it all burns my butt and the entire system, to me, needs to be overhauled. I'm all for people being on it legitimately for whatever reasons so long as they have reasons, provable reasons. If you don't, if you can clearly work but are just too f'n lazy to, then there should be some sort of punishment for it. And maybe throwing in the wages that would be earned once that person is finally working, to be planned out so they pay back some of what they stole from the rest of us.


(So Teddy, that too liberal or does something need to be changed? )
 
Walter
#30

Re: Is Welfare The Government’s Fault?

Jan 19th, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Welfare goes right back into the economy and IS SUPPOSED to come from resources not taxes.

Which resources?
 

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