Spaceman vs Space Cadet: Libs Have Nowhere to Go But Up


TeddyBallgame
+2
#1
- With the federal Liberal leadership race shaping up as a two man contest between Marc `The Spaceman`Garneau and Justin `The Space Cadet`Trudeau, clearly the Liberals have nowhere to go but up, maybe even ``Ùp, Up and Away`` to quote my favourite song of 1967 by The 5th Dimension.

- As a public service to ensure that the casual observer can tell these two candidates apart, here is a brief comparison between Spaceman Garneau and Space Cadet Trudeau.

- The Spaceman has earned his C.C., CD, B.Sc, M.Sc, Ph.D, and his F.C.A.S.I.
- The Space Cadet has earned his BA, B.Ed and his ROTFPIMPALMFARO.

- Garneau is called The Spaceman because he was Canada`s first person to travel in outer space and he has logged three voyages and over 677 hours in space.
- Trudeau is called The Space Cadet because of his many misleading, immature and stunningly stupid comments starting with his threat to take his marbles and go home to join the separatists in Quebec if Canada continues to be governed by Harper and the Conservative Party.

- The Spaceman earned his bachelor degree through the ROTP program and spent 12 years in the Canadian Navy rising rapidly to the rank of Captain (the same as Colonel in the army).
- The Space Cadet was a part time social studies, French and drama teacher for a few years at some high schools in Vancouver.

- The Spaceman was appointed as president of the Canadian Space Agency and successfully ran that prestigious organization for several years.
- The Space Cadet spent two years studying engineering but didn`t graduate and apart from running off at the mouth has never run anything

- The Spaceman was appointed and served as Chancellor of Carleton University.
- The Space Cadet enrolled in a masters program in environmental geography but dropped out of this program, too, in order to run for parliament in 2008.

- The Spaceman has graying hair and two unremarkable eyes.
- The Space Cadet has heavenly hair and dreamy eyes.

- The Spaceman has two high schools named after him.
- The Space Cadet`s father has many, many high schools and other public buildings named after him.

- The Spaceman has been an MP since 2008 and his leadership campaign will focus on the economy.
- The Space Cadet has also been an MP since 2008 and his leadership campaign will focus on reminding everyone over and over again that he is Pierre E. Trudeau`s son while keeping it quiet that he was unlucky enough to inherit his father`s looks but his mother`s brains rather than the other way around.

- The Spaceman is a brilliant, highly educated, experienced leader and executive superbly qualified to rebuild and revitalize the moribund Liberal Party. Therefore, he has no chance with the Liberal delegates.
- The Space Cadet is not particularly bright or well educated or adequately experienced or remotely qualified and would be laughed off the stage except for the fact that he is PET`s son. Therefore, he will be chosen by the Liberal delegates exhibting the same curious judgement they showed when they chose Dion and then Ignatief as the new Liberal messiahs.

- Any questions?

- You're welcome!
Last edited by TeddyBallgame; Dec 6th, 2012 at 04:35 PM..
 
GreenFish66
#2
Hate to admit it, but both Trudeau and Garneau have Some very Electable qualities...
Trudeau was born to lead.
Garneau has Impressive Credentials.
Politics is largely, The Art/Science of Words/"Likeability".("The system" basically runs itself(with $influence$)/Reacts to Pressure)..
 
TeddyBallgame
+1
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

Hate to admit it, but both Trudeau and Garneau have Some very Electable qualities...
Trudeau was born to lead.
Garneau has Impressive Credentials.
Politics is largely, The Art/Science of Words/"Likeability".("The system" basically runs itself(with $influence$)/Reacts to Pressure)..

- GF ... I don't believe in dynasties. For example, I'm sure Ole Jug Ears aka Prince Charles is a fine chap but I have no doubt that if the selection of a monarch were subject to a competitive process numerous more qualified, suitable and effective future kings would emerge.

- Young Justin has, thus far, been born to screw the pooch, never having completed let alone lead anything of any real consequence, dabbling usually without success in a few educational persuits, and coasting on his father's fortune and reputation.

- So even if I had been a fan of the father (I actually think he was the most fiscally and economicallly inept PM since WWII and a disaster for Canada which is why virtually none of his many policies is still in effect today whereas Mulroney's entire economic agenda continues in force) I don't buy the general concept that Justin was born to lead and I certainly don't buy this proposition based on his forgettable record thus far.

- I do agree with you that Garneau has impressive credentials and I think he might restore a measure of credibility to the Liberal brand. But I would wager that the typical Liberal delegate will out sizzle ahead of steak and flashiness ahead of substance and choose the Space Cadet over the Spaceman.
Last edited by TeddyBallgame; Dec 6th, 2012 at 07:01 PM..
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
+2
#4
TeddyBallgame, you sound much like Anne Coulter to me. Yes I am liberal on some things and I am
also right of center on others. Most people are they are also respectful of others regardless of what
their opinion is. I respect people enough to agree to disagree, and not make insult purely personal.
Others however try to pack as many insults into one article as they can.
One dimensionally people see everything as black and white. Most people see some issues as black
and white, but not all issues. Liberals for some reason have demonstrated through history that the
people of America by and large have done better under Democrats than Republicans.
 
TeddyBallgame
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

1/ TeddyBallgame, you sound much like Anne Coulter to me. 2/ Yes I am liberal on some things and I am also right of center on others. 3/ Liberals for some reason have demonstrated through history that the
people of America by and large have done better under Democrats than Republicans.

- damngrumpy ... You are welll and truly named and I tend to usually ignore your blather and I almost never respond to it but since you have decided to attack me tonight I shall waste a moment or two to respond in kind.

1/ damngrumpy, you sound much like a cranky cross between Slick Sid Ryan the union weasel and an unfunny Bill Maher to me.

2/ Actually, you come across here as being liberal on almost everything which is hardly surprising given your background as a union leader.

3/ You tend, like many union leaders, to make vague, general, totally unsubstantiated and usually specious comments about things you really don't understand. Please cite substantive data and analysis to support your wildly inaccurate and partisan to the point of being ridiculous generalization that the people of America by and large have done better under Democrats than under Republicans. Thank you in advance. Take your time.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
+2
#6
Great to see that the words passed on from on high regarding civility are and have been listened to.
 
GreenFish66
#7
At the end of the day/This game ..It's all the same...

There is a "T" in Team...No "G"....Unfortunately.

But Garneau will still be there.On The Liberal Team...In body, mind, and Liberal soul..
( So ...I guess there is a "G" on The Liberal Team..Damn...)

O.K... How bout this one ...


Both Their Futures are Bright and Shining.
But the Star that Shines the Brightest .
Will Be ...The New Leader of The Liberal Team..
(Even If they're not... Green or Blue..)

That Leader Will Be..

Mr.T
Last edited by GreenFish66; Dec 6th, 2012 at 09:38 PM..
 
TeddyBallgame
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Great to see that the words passed on from on high regarding civility are and have been listened to.

- Goober ... All I can tell you is that I wrote a semi-serious, semi-satirical piece on the Liberal leadership race and former union leader damngrumpy chose to change the subject and to attack and insult me instead of staying on topic and then to make some ridiculous and unsupported generalization about Americans being better off under the Democrats. If you think that I am going to allow damngrumpy or you or anyone else to attack me without provocation and get away with it, then you are delusional. If the powers that be wish to then single me out for special punishment and thereby rid the board of one of its few conservative voices, so be it. This would be a mistake but it is a mistake they have the power to make. We'll see what happens.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+2
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

At the end of the day/This game ..It's all the same...

There is a "T" in Team...No "G"....Unfortunately.


There is a "T" in turd and no 'G'.

Coincidence?
 
GreenFish66
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

There is a "T" in turd and no 'G'.

Coincidence?



There's a "G" in TurdinG....
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#11
touche
 
GreenFish66
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

- Goober ... All I can tell you is that I wrote a semi-serious, semi-satirical piece on the Liberal leadership race and former union leader damngrumpy chose to change the subject and to attack and insult me instead of staying on topic and then to make some ridiculous and unsupported generalization about Americans being better off under the Democrats. If you think that I am going to allow damngrumpy or you or anyone else to attack me without provocation and get away with it, then you are delusional. If the powers that be wish to then single me out for special punishment and thereby rid the board of one of its few conservative voices, so be it. This would be a mistake but it is a mistake they have the power to make. We'll see what happens.


What! ...TeddyBallgame?..Your a Conservative!?...Man ...Give me the powers to be...I'd say ...Strike 3!...YOOOOUUUUUR ....OOOUUUUTTTTAAA HHHEEERRREEE!>.

However.... You started the thread(about liberals)...So I'll leave it be...

 
tay
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

TeddyBallgame, you sound much like Anne Coulter to me. Yes I am liberal on some things and I am
also right of center on others. Most people are they are also respectful of others regardless of what
their opinion is. I respect people enough to agree to disagree, and not make insult purely personal.
Others however try to pack as many insults into one article as they can.
One dimensionally people see everything as black and white. Most people see some issues as black
and white, but not all issues. Liberals for some reason have demonstrated through history that the
people of America by and large have done better under Democrats than Republicans.



Teddyballgame (courtesy of Sun media) has transferred the american conservative talking points to Canadian politics.

Bashing a Science guy for being, well, I can only think because he is a science guy which means he is educated, and the son of a former Prime Minister who showed up 40 years ago. He also manages to bash this former PM's son's educational background despite the hue and cry of Cons telling us to educate our kids. Not exactly a dynasty allthough he seems confused mentioning the dynasty of the un-elected ceremonial British Monarchy but neglects to point to the American Cons and their potential to have a third Bush run for the Cons as a candidate.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+4
#14  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Teddyballgame (courtesy of Sun media) has transferred the american conservative talking points to Canadian politics.

Bashing a Science guy for being, well, I can only think because he is a science guy which means he is educated, and the son of a former Prime Minister who showed up 40 years ago. He also manages to bash this former PM's son's educational background despite the hue and cry of Cons telling us to educate our kids. Not exactly a dynasty allthough he seems confused mentioning the dynasty of the un-elected ceremonial British Monarchy but neglects to point to the American Cons and their potential to have a third Bush run for the Cons as a candidate.

Science guy? You talking about Justin?... Try drama Queen, it's much more accurate
 
TeddyBallgame
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Science guy? You talking about Justin?... Try drama Queen, it's much more accurate

- CM ... Yes, I assume he means Trudeau because I certainly did not bash Garneau who I admire and consider in a higher league than young Justin.

- Even for a rabidly partisan left-lib type, calling Trudeau a science guy is a bit of a nosestretcher because his degrees were in arts and education and while daddy's fortune enabled him to dabble in two engineering and science programs, he didn't graduate in either of them.

- Garneau, fo course, is the real science guy.

- You are right about Trudeau as the drama queen, a trait inherited from his mother, inasmuch as he has taught drama and he likes to make really dumb apocalyptic comments about Albertans, Harper, conservatives and other hot button topics that arouse the typical Liberal supporter. Sadly, the typical Liberal supporter these days has no clue whatsoever what the Liberal Party stands for, if anything, only that it is opposed to the Conservative Party. Perhaps a wise new leader may emerge from the convention and take the nearly three years until the next election developing an orientation and policy platform that will make the party relevant and electable once again. But drama queen Justin Trudeau will not be that kind of leader.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Teddyballgame (courtesy of Sun media) has transferred the american conservative talking points to Canadian politics.

Bashing a Science guy for being, well, I can only think because he is a science guy which means he is educated, and the son of a former Prime Minister who showed up 40 years ago. He also manages to bash this former PM's son's educational background despite the hue and cry of Cons telling us to educate our kids. Not exactly a dynasty allthough he seems confused mentioning the dynasty of the un-elected ceremonial British Monarchy but neglects to point to the American Cons and their potential to have a third Bush run for the Cons as a candidate.

I don't think the American economy and probably the world economy can afford another Bush government.

Isn't Just In supposed to be two words?
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+2
#17
Don't you think that it's time to stop blaming Bush for this?

Hell, Obama is getting into the 5th year and so far, he and his party haven't delivered on the promises made from the last go-around
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

- damngrumpy ... You are welll and truly named and I tend to usually ignore your blather and I almost never respond to it but since you have decided to attack me tonight I shall waste a moment or two to respond in kind.

1/ damngrumpy, you sound much like a cranky cross between Slick Sid Ryan the union weasel and an unfunny Bill Maher to me.

2/ Actually, you come across here as being liberal on almost everything which is hardly surprising given your background as a union leader.

3/ You tend, like many union leaders, to make vague, general, totally unsubstantiated and usually specious comments about things you really don't understand. Please cite substantive data and analysis to support your wildly inaccurate and partisan to the point of being ridiculous generalization that the people of America by and large have done better under Democrats than under Republicans. Thank you in advance. Take your time.

Attaboy, Teddy. For one who snivels about being attacked instead of being debated, do you really think you have room to talk?

Regards .
- Just Curious

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

- Goober ... All I can tell you is that I wrote a semi-serious, semi-satirical piece on the Liberal leadership race and former union leader damngrumpy chose to change the subject and to attack and insult me instead of staying on topic and then to make some ridiculous and unsupported generalization about Americans being better off under the Democrats. If you think that I am going to allow damngrumpy or you or anyone else to attack me without provocation and get away with it, then you are delusional. If the powers that be wish to then single me out for special punishment and thereby rid the board of one of its few conservative voices, so be it. This would be a mistake but it is a mistake they have the power to make. We'll see what happens.

Being told that you sound like Anne Coulter is an insult? Funny, I thought you extreme righties loved her.

At any rate, I'd prefer Garneau over Turdeau, as well.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgameView Post

3/ You tend, like many union leaders, to make vague, general, totally unsubstantiated and usually specious comments about things you really don't understand.

Funniest part of this post as it's so friggin' hypocritical.

As for the OP, like DG I'm more liberal in some ways, conservative in others so the whole Lib. leadership is only a minor interest to me. That said, were I to make an opinion on either candidate, Trudeau to me has to prove he's not like his father and his own man for things and isn't relying on the name to get him places, and... who is the other guy?

I think a lot of the country is now "Who cares?" about the Liberal leadership and it's because no one in the party has shown any real leadership qualities, which is sad. I hate seeing parties nearly wiped out for stupidity.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#20
Does it matter? I'm sure there's something to gripe about in all but one....
 
petros
#21
For 30 some years now I've had the belief that people who lead parties and run countries hired people far far smarter than they are to do all their thinking in specific areas of "the system".

I had no idea just one person ran the entire country all by themselves.
Far out!

I wonder if the astronaut and the tree hugger would end up having the same advisors when one of them wins?
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

For 30 some years now I've had the belief that people who lead parties and run countries hired people far far smarter than they are to do all their thinking in specific areas of "the system".

I had no idea just one person ran the entire country all by themselves.
Far out!

I wonder if the astronaut and the tree hugger would end up having the same advisors when one of them wins?


It's all in the choice of the advisers in addition to the overall philosophy that the party leader wants to pursue.

Trudeau-the-elder had it in his mind to provide cheap gas for all Canadians, even when he was forced to buy Venezuelan crude at world prices and resell it to Canadians at a big loss... Sounds to me like he placed more value on his re-election adviser than he did on the economic advisers.
 
petros
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It's all in the choice of the advisers in addition to the overall philosophy that the party leader wants to pursue.

Trudeau-the-elder had it in his mind to provide cheap gas for all Canadians, even when he was forced to buy Venezuelan crude at world prices and resell it to Canadians at a big loss... Sounds to me like he placed more value on his re-election adviser than he did on the economic advisers.

So he didn't come up with the idea all on his own?

Well **** it then, I'm NOT voting for Batman!
 
Locutus
+1
#24
Justin Trudeau Regards Hamas Support As Opportunity To Mobilize Young Jihadi Voters



Toronto, December 14, 2012

Following Justin Trudeau's refusal to dialogue with groups concerned about his speaking role at the upcoming 'Revival of the Islamic Spirit' convention, B'nai Brith Canada is calling on the interim Liberal Party leader and human rights critic to intervene with Mr. Trudeau to urge him to reconsider his approach.

Frank Dimant, CEO of B'nai Brith Canada, issued the following statement:

"The statement cited in today's media by Mr. Trudeau's press secretary that the event is an opportunity for him to 'mobilize the youth vote', suggest a very cynical 'votes trump principles' strategy.

"We do not accept Mr. Trudeau's apparent refusal to dialogue with those concerned about his speaking role at this event, even those within the Muslim community who have publicly shared our concerns. Politicians, especially those with leadership aspirations, have an obligation to meet with Canadians of all faiths. But when you lend your name to an event sponsored by groups with questionable connections, you lend them credibility while disempowering the moderates in that community.

"Mr. Trudeau's speaking role at this Convention alongside speakers who espouse views which are diametrically opposed to Canadian values, including, for example, support for wife beating, raises many red flags. He should not even be hesitating about responding to such
legitimate concerns."

For more information please contact Sam Eskenasi, Communications Officer at (647) 780-8490 or communications@bnaibrith.ca.



Blazing Cat Fur
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

So he didn't come up with the idea all on his own?

Well **** it then, I'm NOT voting for Batman!

But Batman has all kinds of neat toys and is all heroic and what not. Why wouldn't you vote for him?
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

But Batman has all kinds of neat toys and is all heroic and what not. Why wouldn't you vote for him?

cause he's batty?
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

cause he's batty?

But he's got a really cool car. Most things can be overlooked if you have a really cool car.

Also, he's a billionaire, so technically he's 'eccentric'.
 
TeddyBallgame
#28
- ITS ABOUT BLOODY TIME THE WELL QUALIFIED SPACE MAN CHALLENGED THE UNQUALLIFIED SPACE CADET.

GO GARNEAU!

Kelly McParland: Marc Garneau challenges Justin Trudeau to take a stand. Any stand.


Kelly McParland | Feb 14, 2013 1:27 PM ET


THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian WyldLiberal leadership candidate Marc Garneau



In The Bourne Identity, the first of the films on the Robert Ludlum novels, Matt Damon as Jason Bourne is hauled from the sea and dumped onto the deck by a group of fishermen who assume he’s dead. Then his arm moves and they leap back: It’s alive!
Something similar has happened to the Liberal leadership race. Two debates into the contest, and with just two months to go before the choice is made, Mark Garneau has openly criticized Justin Trudeau, the perceived frontrunner.
“Federal Liberal Leadership frontrunner Justin Trudeau has a responsibility to tell Canadians where he stands and where he intends to lead now, not after the leadership race is over,” Garneau says in a press release headed “Garneau calls on Trudeau to take a stand.”
As Liberals, we cannot wait until after the leadership race is over to find out what we signed up for,” Garneau said in a prepared statement. “That is like asking Canadians to buy a new car without first test-driving it.”
It takes a shot at Trudeau’s fundraising talents, thanking him “for his contribution to the party’s coffers”, but suggests that leadership is about more than raising money.
“Garneau said he has made his leadership vision clear and has outlined his plan on the knowledge economy, trade, telecommunications, Western Canada, electoral reform, and student debt and youth employment. He added he will continue to do so for the duration of the campaign.
“This is not the case with Justin. He has told Canadians that we need a “bold” plan and a “clear vision” without defining either. On Justin’s two clear priorities, the middle class and youth engagement, he has said nothing,” said Garneau. “Therein lies the fundamental difference between Justin Trudeau and myself.”
And in an apparent reference to the party’s failed experiment with Michael Ignatieff, he adds:
“Too often in the recent past we have put our faith as a party in one individual without asking the tough questions: Where do we stand? What is our vision for Canada?” he said. “Now is the time to get it right. In this race, we must know what it is we’re voting for, not just who we’re voting for.”
Well, them’s fighting words, and not a moment too soon. The next debate among the nine candidates is to take place on Saturday in Mississauga, and if someone doesn’t bring some excitement to the competition it’s in danger of keeling over dead from sheer tedium. The lowest point had to be the recent “debate” in Winnipeg, which consisted of contestants being individually interviewed by a failed candidate from Calgary. There’s still an excellent chance the party will manage to blow this opportunity as well, as current plans call for a series of one-on-one exchanges that will feature David Bertschi challenging George Takach, Joyce Murray questionig Martin Cauchon, and Karen McCrimmon versus Deborah Coyne. Don’t stand in the exits folks, you might get trampelled.
Should Liberals expect their leader to come equipped with firm policy ideas, or just go with whoever they figure will most easily attract votes?
Still, Garneau has made clear Trudeau should no longer expect the “hands off Justin” treatment he’s enjoyed until now. And his point goes to a fundamental issue: Should the party expect its leader to come equipped with firm policy ideas, or just go with whoever they figure will most easily attract votes?
‘I’m not middle class. I don’t pretend I am’: Justin Trudeau discloses $1.2M inheritance

Liberal leadership front-runner Justin Trudeau has provided a rare disclosure of his personal finances to quell speculation about his family’s wealth and head off concerns over potential conflicts of interest.
At the request of the Ottawa Citizen, Trudeau’s campaign staff produced a valuation of the company that manages the money he inherited from his father and gave a full list of his paid speaking events in the years before he announced his run for the leadership.
The documents show that while Trudeau’s inheritance is now worth about $1.2-million, he also built up a public-speaking business that earned him more than $450,000 in its best year.
Should he become Liberal leader Trudeau says he will set a new ethical standard by moving the stocks and bonds he inherited into a blind trust, a requirement that is currently in place for cabinet ministers but not for most MPs.

Garneau is a policy guy. Most recently he pledged an overhaul of student loan programs so graduates would only begin repaying once they’d found a job paying at least $40,000 a year. He’s also urged Canada’s wireless market be open to foreign competitors and proposed an infrastructure investment program to “re-orient” Canada’s economy towards Asian trade.
Trudeau has made an attribute out of being vague. Acknowledging that his lack of specific policies is “frustrating both media pundits and a lot of others,” he counters that “leadership is the beginning of a platform-development process, not the end of it.”
The party, he says, “has gotten far too much in the habit of generating a platform by the leader and some very smart people around them, that they then turn to Liberals across the country and say, ‘Now go and sell this door to door,’ ” he said.
He has a point, as does Garneau. Desperate to regain their lost lustre, Liberals have made a habit of entrusting the party to anyone they thought mind be able to leverage them back into power, whatever the means. But does that mean you pick an empty vessel and fill it with whatever positions are temporarily popular with voters?
Trudeau’s argument would have more bite if it emanated from someone of wide experience, with a solid background of accomplishment and a history of good judgment, rather than someone best known for his last name, whose biggest income (as he revealed Wednesday) comes from a trust fund and public speaking? Trudeau can point to the Ignatieff experiment and argue that Michael Ignatieff had a solid, impressive background, yet proved a bust. Which is true, except that Ignatieff imploded precisely because he didn’t seem to have any idea what the party believed in, and was constantly staging bus trips, public meetings and campus get-togethers in search of an answer.
It’s a debate worth having, and might even generate a bit of interest in the public. But only if the Liberals find a way to ditch the also-ran candidates and let the serious contenders go at it head to head.
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