CONservative MP Wants to know who you are

[tay]

Parliament should look into how to raise the level of online discourse by making anonymous commenters identify themselves, according to Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro.

“While I believe firmly that the right to free speech must be strongly defended and protected, I also believe it should be backed up by the common decency to stand by one’s words as opposed to hiding behind online anonymity,” the Peterborough MP said in the House of Commons Friday.

Mr. Del Mastro, Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, first brought up the issue on his Facebook page Thursday. Mr. Del Mastro has rarely spoken publicly in recent months, as Elections Canada probes allegations of campaign spending irregularities by his 2008 campaign.

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Tory MP says government should do something about anonymous online comments - The Globe and Mail

 

[TenPenny]

Why does the government have a role to play in on line discourse. Are they going to send government inspectors to every house party, to take names and supervise discussions?

This guy is a complete wanker.

 

[Machjo]

Parliament should look into how to raise the level of online discourse by making anonymous commenters identify themselves, according to Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro.

“While I believe firmly that the right to free speech must be strongly defended and protected, I also believe it should be backed up by the common decency to stand by one’s words as opposed to hiding behind online anonymity,” the Peterborough MP said in the House of Commons Friday.

Mr. Del Mastro, Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, first brought up the issue on his Facebook page Thursday. Mr. Del Mastro has rarely spoken publicly in recent months, as Elections Canada probes allegations of campaign spending irregularities by his 2008 campaign.

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Tory MP says government should do something about anonymous online comments - The Globe and Mail

Hard to say. I appreciate my anonymity online, but I can also understand his point. While I do try to behave myself within reason online, I'll admit that sometimes I do say things that I wouldn't say otherwise.

To be fair to politicians and other public figures, I guess there is a point that if someone slanders them online, at least have the courtesy to let them know who you are. On the other hand, they can still defend themselves even if you are anonymous; it just undermines your position should you choose to remain anonymous.

I would rather we remain anonymous, but I can also see his point too.

Why does the government have a role to play in on line discourse. Are they going to send government inspectors to every house party, to take names and supervise discussions?

This guy is a complete wanker.

Now that's a goo point. If we think of these forums as strinctly informal, which they are, then they really needn't be so supervised short of online stalking, etc.

 

[Niflmir]

Parliament should look into how to raise the level of online discourse by making anonymous commenters identify themselves, according to Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro.

“While I believe firmly that the right to free speech must be strongly defended and protected, I also believe it should be backed up by the common decency to stand by one’s words as opposed to hiding behind online anonymity,” the Peterborough MP said in the House of Commons Friday.

“While I believe firmly that the right to free speech must be strongly defended and protected, I also believe it should never be used.”

The politically powerful don't understand the plight of the politically weak. Once upon a time in Canada, you would be jailed for being homosexual. This situation was formally ended only in 1971. Before that time, it would certainly be noble but less than wise to stand up and proudly proclaim that you were homosexual.

There are hundreds of similar situations.

However, why should there be so many more extreme laws for the online world? Nothing stops me from anonymously mailing someone. This is a formal right which has been upheld for millenia. Even anonymous telephone calls are possible with pay phones. Shouldn't we take away the ability to mail envelopes without showing ID before we force identification on the internet? Pretty hard to send anthrax through the internet.

 

[B00Mer]

Interesting... everytime I post online my IP is attached to the post... does that not identify me..

At least he is not following Obama's idea.. Thank God, wanting to charge a usage fee everytime you use the Internet. That is desperate ideas to tackle a 14 trillian dollar deficits .... starting with the USA, will be picked up ny other countries.

DailyTech - Obama's FCC Looks to Tax the Internet

 

[Niflmir]

Interesting... everytime I post online my IP is attached to the post... does that not identify me..

No, it does not. It is relatively trivial to set up proxies, and you can always spoof your neighbour if you can sniff their packets. With NAT (many people are NATed nowadays) you can only determine a general area as well. Even WEP has a number of exploitable weaknesses.

There are plenty of cases where they burst down somebody's door looking for child pornography based on an IP address, only to find out, an IP address is not a person. Judges are becoming extremely leery of justifying search warrants based on IP addresses because of past mistakes based upon this mistaken equivocation.

 

[Machjo]

Interesting... everytime I post online my IP is attached to the post... does that not identify me..DailyTech - Obama's FCC Looks to Tax the Internet

No, it identifies your computer, not you yourself. You can change computers just as anyone can use your computer, hypothetically.

 

[petros]

MPs get AirMiles for every sucker they can get onto the no fly list?

 

[taxslave]

I cansee his point. If you read the comments on news articles many are clearly libelous and/or downright rude. When you speak at a public meeting you are required to state your name. Why be any different online?

 

[Walter]

I cansee his point. If you read the comments on news articles many are clearly libelous and/or downright rude. When you speak at a public meeting you are required to state your name. Why be any different online?

Online isn't public.

 

[taxslave]

Online isn't public.

It is when it is the comments section of news articles.

 

[petros]

I've been trying to introduce myself to my MP for years. The ****er just won't return any calls.

 

[tay]

Well since the CONservatives are eager to sell out anything that makes Canada, well, Canada, nothing would surprise me as to what they want to do...........


Authorities have also blocked the news organisation's main and Chinese-language websites and banned searches for "New York Times" in English and Chinese on microblogs.

"China manages the internet in accordance with laws and rules," Hong told reporters at a daily briefing when asked why the sites were inaccessible.


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New York Times blocked by China after report on wealth of Wen Jiabao's family | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[petros]

Well since the CONservatives are eager to sell out anything that makes Canada, well, Canada, nothing would surprise me as to what they want to do..........

If Canadian companies were to pull out of all the resource ventures world wide, you'd be unemployed and starving by the end of next week.

 

[taxslave]

If Canadian companies were to pull out of all the resource ventures world wide, you'd be unemployed and starving by the end of next week.

Can the bank bounce welfare cheques?

 

[petros]

Can the bank bounce welfare cheques?

Banks don't have to accept any cheque if they don't want to.

 

[PoliticalNick]

DailyTech - Obama's FCC Looks to Tax the Internet[/url]

After reading this article I see the govt is up to its usual tricks. It sets up an entity, the USF, which is not needed or required under the constitution, and then levies a tax to fund the program which wasn't needed in the first place.

I say if there isn't a very real need or a constitutional requirement for such a program then the tax to fund it should be considered illegal anyway. The govts, contrary to popular belief, actually are supposed to justify taxation under the constitution and cannot lawfully levy taxes for things that are not required. Most taxes we have are unlawful these days, the people have just been fooled and brainwashed into believing the govt has the right to tax anything for any purpose. I await the day when the general populace wakes up to the fact the govt really is stealing from us.

Banks don't have to accept any cheque if they don't want to.

I'm not sure about the rest of the country but in BC the 5 charter banks are lawfully bound to accept them with proper ID. As far as I know the 5 are also bound across the country to accept checks from the federal govt (EI, Pension etc).

 

[Nuggler]

I would be only too happy to receive an e.mail from that pissant, a phone call, a personal visit even. I would explain to him who I am.

 

[petros]

Do you think that really matters to a bank?

True story....wife and I were shopping in Chinatown Vancouver, nobody would accept a $100 bill so we wandered down to E. Hasting and Columbia to Pigeon Park Savings. Behind us in line two guys were smoking crack in the bank line up. Out from an office comes the bank manager who said "sorry, we won't be cashing your cheque, you can go to Money Mart".

 

[Nuggler]

Do you think that really matters to a bank?

True story....wife and I were shopping in Chinatown Vancouver, nobody would accept a $100 bill so we wandered down to E. Hasting and Columbia to Pigeon Park Savings. Behind us in line two guys were smoking crack in the bank line up. Out from an office comes the bank manager who said "sorry, we won't be cashing your cheque, you can go to Money Mart".

Nice digs eh? The cops patrol in threes according to my family out there (Lions Bay area)..........them's really nice digs. Nice to see someone in our family turned out well..............8O

You and I both misspell cheque according to spellchecker. gotta love Americanization.