#61
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012
Should China kick all Canadian miners out of China?
Yes or No?
Yes or No?
Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
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#62
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Well, they did do fairly well on building the C.P.R.- at least the heavy work. Pound for pound them suckers are pretty skookum.Should China kick all Canadian miners out of China?
Yes or No?
#63
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Being "skookum" beats starving.Well, they did do fairly well on building the C.P.R.- at least the heavy work. Pound for pound them suckers are pretty skookum.
What do you think though? Should Canadian miners be kicked out of China? It will happen if Chinese miners are not allowed in Canada. Then what?
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#64
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Geez, Petros too early in the day for serious thought. Just waiting for my bro-in-law to pick me up to go to the casino. Basically, I'm not racially prejudiced. I think every well meaning person should have a chance, but I do believe in using our own available domestic help first. Unfortunately, no doubt in both countries there are a few who more interested in quitting time and pay day than doing the work-Being "skookum" beats starving.
What do you think though? Should Canadian miners be kicked out of China? It will happen if Chinese miners are not allowed in Canada. Then what?
Have no idea if this is part of the problem. Just waiting for the resident expert to jump in here.............(like a bull in a China shop) ooooooooh excuse the pun. #65
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
And if our domestic types don't know what they are doing?Geez, Petros too early in the day for serious thought. Just waiting for my bro-in-law to pick me up to go to the casino. Basically, I'm not racially prejudiced. I think every well meaning person should have a chance, but I do believe in using our own available domestic help first. Unfortunately, no doubt in both countries there are a few who more interested in quitting time and pay day than doing the work-
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I've looked at the stratigraphy of the proposed mine. I wouldn't let Canadians build it. There will be deaths in that project.Canadian Dehua International Mines, Canadians "just don't have the experience" to operate underground equipment safely and that "without the Chinese and the technology they're bringing … these particular mines would not have been developed":
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#66
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Depends on whether they can be trained or not and how much training is needed. Are they Chinamen checked out before they leave China or is it just first come first served on the boat?And if our domestic types don't know what they are doing?
#67
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012
The mine is a death trap. Do want Canadians working in it?
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#68
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
You mean the one in Canada or in China?The mine is a death trap. Do want Canadians working in it?
#69
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
The proposed in Basket Case (BC)You mean the one in Canada or in China?
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#70
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Where's W.C.B. and Workplace B.C.?The proposed in Basket Case (BC)
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#71
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
iWhere's W.C.B. and Workplace B.C.?
According to the Chinese government they have no jurisdiction because it is a Sovereign company and the miners are Chinese citizens.The also don't think our labour standards apply to them.
#72
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 27th, 2012
That works the same for Canadian companies operating abroad.
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#73Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 28th, 2012
Now here is where unions earn their pay. This is what they're supposed to be doing - not BS like "social engineering" in S. America or some damn thing.
I support what they're doing here and I hope they're successful in challenging HD Mining and the Feds 'cuz there's a prescendent that needs establishing before it gets too far out of hand. I'm all for encouraging investment etc., but not at the risk of losing our right to bargain for fair wages, working conditions and soverignty. I don't trust the Chinese period - don't care what the gov't says.
JMO
I support what they're doing here and I hope they're successful in challenging HD Mining and the Feds 'cuz there's a prescendent that needs establishing before it gets too far out of hand. I'm all for encouraging investment etc., but not at the risk of losing our right to bargain for fair wages, working conditions and soverignty. I don't trust the Chinese period - don't care what the gov't says.
JMO
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#74
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Far as I know when Canadians operate in other countries they are held to the laws in that country.That works the same for Canadian companies operating abroad.
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#75
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
canadian are ...ken lazy .canadians are ****ing lazy.
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#76
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
First I think, don't create a problem until one arises and second I think if we hire a few of theirs and they hire a few of ours and everyone on each side is happy, why f**K with it?Being "skookum" beats starving.
What do you think though? Should Canadian miners be kicked out of China? It will happen if Chinese miners are not allowed in Canada. Then what?
#77
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Are they? Do they even have to hire any locals?Far as I know when Canadians operate in other countries they are held to the laws in that country.
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#78
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
First I think, don't create a problem until one arises and second I think if we hire a few of theirs and they hire a few of ours and everyone on each side is happy, why f**K with it?
No....Here we have people who have applied and were turned down for work who are unemployed. Is it our position to pay our political people good money to create jobs for other countries and leave our own unemployed?
Underground mining is dangerous no doubt and there is methane there, it can be done safely but at a cost. Long wall mining is no safer than depillar.
Let's open the doors for them to do so and do you think that will be the end of it ?
Sticking ones head in the sand has not and will never change anything and this is a very dangerous precedent to be setting as was said earlier. I am sure that many companies would love to see cheap labour here to replace us in all fields and the CEO's would have an increase to there bonuses not to mention the racial tension this creates. No to the miners and no to the idea that our well payed politicians can even allow this to happen in the first place.
So when you or a friend or neighbor get laid off , remember this as rather than outsourcing we are now being replaced in our own country.
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#79
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Dec 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by tworivers
There are many ramifications. How many miners are needed? How many unemployed qualified people do we have available? You just can't take a person who was laid off from sweeping floors at Wendy's and stick him down a mine. How many unemployed are physically fit enough to handle mining? But yes, I fully agree that anyone on welfare who is experienced and capable should be hired before importing anyone.No....Here we have people who have applied and were turned down for work who are unemployed.
#80
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Jan 5th, 2013
Maybe Canadians need to have a revolution........
University of California prof calls Canadian politicians 'naïve' in dealing with Chinese companies
"The whole idea is to keep their people employed so they don't have a revolution," said Navarro, who co-authored the book Death by China.
He said the Communist party, fearing any economic slowdown that could result in jobs losses and threaten revolution, intends to keep as many Chinese people employed as possible -- even if it means exporting them.
But he said usually the countries that allow Chinese firms to import their own labour or other questionable business practices are underdeveloped dictatorships, adding it's "bizarre" Canada has allowed it.
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The Tyee – Chinese Firms Bringing Own Workers a Global Pattern: Expert
University of California prof calls Canadian politicians 'naïve' in dealing with Chinese companies
"The whole idea is to keep their people employed so they don't have a revolution," said Navarro, who co-authored the book Death by China.
He said the Communist party, fearing any economic slowdown that could result in jobs losses and threaten revolution, intends to keep as many Chinese people employed as possible -- even if it means exporting them.
But he said usually the countries that allow Chinese firms to import their own labour or other questionable business practices are underdeveloped dictatorships, adding it's "bizarre" Canada has allowed it.
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The Tyee – Chinese Firms Bringing Own Workers a Global Pattern: Expert
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#81
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Jan 5th, 2013
"can't do safely"
Sounds like the same type of excuse people use to import labor from overseas into here. There are plenty of people in the ghettoes and rez's who will gladly fill any such job if it was given to them. While Canada doesn't have a ghetto problem like we do, you do have rez's where there is unemployment. To deny these folks those jobs is crapola.
Sounds like the same type of excuse people use to import labor from overseas into here. There are plenty of people in the ghettoes and rez's who will gladly fill any such job if it was given to them. While Canada doesn't have a ghetto problem like we do, you do have rez's where there is unemployment. To deny these folks those jobs is crapola.
#82
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Jan 7th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by tay
I heard it was 6 million.Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to British Columbia to fill jobs Canadians can't do safely
An initial group of 200 Chinese citizens will begin to arrive in British Columbia in coming weeks to work at new mines in the western Canadian province.
The full time workers – whose number could grow to as many as 2,000 eventually – follow $1.4 billion in Chinese funding for two of four coal projects in the northeast of the province announced in November
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The Vancouver Sun reports up to 800 Canadians would also be employed by the four coal mines, but according to one of the mine developers Canadian Dehua International Mines, Canadians "just don't have the experience" to operate underground equipment safely and that "without the Chinese and the technology they're bringing … these particular mines would not have been developed":
Stephen Hunt, western director for the United Steelworkers union, ridiculed Tuesday the suggestion Canadians couldn't be trained to work underground.
"Bull****," he said of [Canadian Dehua CEO John] Cavanagh's assertions .
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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Chi...#ixzz28unU2hhU
Horking in public,spitting on sidewalks and pushing and shoving in bus lineups would now be taught in school.
Seriously.
#83
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Jan 17th, 2013
Feds cry helpless as company refuses to produce proof it adequately sought miners in BC.
Employers wishing to use temporary foreign workers could be spared the hassle of proving they are legitimately needed depending on a court ruling this week.
Last Wednesday lawyers representing two Canadian unions squared off in court against lawyers representing the Canadian government over who controls documents related to a mining company's application for Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) permits.
To be granted such permits, companies must provide a Labour Market Opinion showing they attempted to find Canadians for the position without success.
In December, a Federal Court judge ordered the Ministry of Human Resources and Skills Development to hand over all documents related to the permits to the International Union of Operating Engineers Local 114 and the Construction and Specialized Workers Union Local 1611.
The unions contend they need to see the documents HD Mining used to determine there were no Canadians available to work in its mine as part of a case to have a judicial review of the permits conducted.
But some of the documents -- such a resumes of Canadian workers who applied to work at the project -- are still held by HD Mining and the company refuses to give them to the government.
Now the HRSDC Ministry is in court arguing it has no control over the documents, despite sending three letters to the company demanding they be released last month.
Outside of court last week, lawyer for the unions Charles Gordon said if the judge rules the government does not have control over the documents it will set a precedent that leaves HRSDC powerless to enforce its own regulations.
"The shocking part of the federal government's position is that if they don't have control over the documents it means that companies can say they've done things that are necessary for them to get their LMOs without having to show that they did so," said Gordon.
"It means that a company could come in and say, 'Hey, no qualified Canadians applied for this job, but we're not going to show you the resumes that we got and you'll just have to accept that.'"
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The Tyee – Harper Gov't Asks Court to Rule It Powerless on Key Chinese Miner Issue
Employers wishing to use temporary foreign workers could be spared the hassle of proving they are legitimately needed depending on a court ruling this week.
Last Wednesday lawyers representing two Canadian unions squared off in court against lawyers representing the Canadian government over who controls documents related to a mining company's application for Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) permits.
To be granted such permits, companies must provide a Labour Market Opinion showing they attempted to find Canadians for the position without success.
In December, a Federal Court judge ordered the Ministry of Human Resources and Skills Development to hand over all documents related to the permits to the International Union of Operating Engineers Local 114 and the Construction and Specialized Workers Union Local 1611.
The unions contend they need to see the documents HD Mining used to determine there were no Canadians available to work in its mine as part of a case to have a judicial review of the permits conducted.
But some of the documents -- such a resumes of Canadian workers who applied to work at the project -- are still held by HD Mining and the company refuses to give them to the government.
Now the HRSDC Ministry is in court arguing it has no control over the documents, despite sending three letters to the company demanding they be released last month.
Outside of court last week, lawyer for the unions Charles Gordon said if the judge rules the government does not have control over the documents it will set a precedent that leaves HRSDC powerless to enforce its own regulations.
"The shocking part of the federal government's position is that if they don't have control over the documents it means that companies can say they've done things that are necessary for them to get their LMOs without having to show that they did so," said Gordon.
"It means that a company could come in and say, 'Hey, no qualified Canadians applied for this job, but we're not going to show you the resumes that we got and you'll just have to accept that.'"
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The Tyee – Harper Gov't Asks Court to Rule It Powerless on Key Chinese Miner Issue
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#84
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Jan 17th, 2013
Seems the company was leery of providing resumes of Canadians not hired.
Mining firm agrees to release applicants
“For example, it is possible that some or many of the persons who submitted résumés had not notified their present employers that they were searching for other employment.”
Two B.C. labour groups are seeking the résumés as part of a court challenge to federal government decisions that cleared the way for HD Mining to hire up to 200 Chinese workers for its Murray River coal project near Tumbler Ridge.
Before they can hire workers under Canada’s Temporary Foreign Worker Program, employers have to obtain a Labour Market Opinion, which requires, among other things, employers to show what efforts they made to hire Canadians.
HD Mining has said it was not able to hire qualified Canadians for the positions, a statement the unions dispute.
The résumés “come down to one of the major statements that HD Mining said to the Canadian government,” said Mark Olsen, business manager with Construction and Specialized Workers’ Union Local 1611, said on Thursday. “They said we have advertised across Canada and although we have received some résumés, we could not find one qualified Canadian to take a job at the Murray River project.
“If you’re saying that, let’s see the 300 résumés to see if it’s true.”
HD Mining said it expects to provide the résumés by early next week.
Mining firm agrees to release applicants
“For example, it is possible that some or many of the persons who submitted résumés had not notified their present employers that they were searching for other employment.”
Two B.C. labour groups are seeking the résumés as part of a court challenge to federal government decisions that cleared the way for HD Mining to hire up to 200 Chinese workers for its Murray River coal project near Tumbler Ridge.
Before they can hire workers under Canada’s Temporary Foreign Worker Program, employers have to obtain a Labour Market Opinion, which requires, among other things, employers to show what efforts they made to hire Canadians.
HD Mining has said it was not able to hire qualified Canadians for the positions, a statement the unions dispute.
The résumés “come down to one of the major statements that HD Mining said to the Canadian government,” said Mark Olsen, business manager with Construction and Specialized Workers’ Union Local 1611, said on Thursday. “They said we have advertised across Canada and although we have received some résumés, we could not find one qualified Canadian to take a job at the Murray River project.
“If you’re saying that, let’s see the 300 résumés to see if it’s true.”
HD Mining said it expects to provide the résumés by early next week.
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#85
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Jan 17th, 2013
They quite probably could not find any Canadian miners for this place. I recall the job postings and among other things it required Mandrin speakers.
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#86
Re: Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
Jan 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Why that was put in place will be for the courts to decide. I imagine we have a wealth of qualified miners, They quite probably could not find any Canadian miners for this place. I recall the job postings and among other things it required Mandrin speakers.
in Canada. May be wrong but it is not an area I am familiar with.
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