From Rabble.ca:

Nuggler
#1
cuts through the fat into the meat............so to speak.

Conbots need not read.................have someone read it to you.


XL Foods, Tories and a politicized inspection agency offer a textbook case of brand destruction | rabble.ca
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+2
#2
Or so says a left wing blogger.
 
Nuggler
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#3
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Or so says a left wing blogger.


So, there's no e.coli danger. It didn't happen? C'mon. You're more intelligent than that. Left - right ! What's it matter when people are getting sick due to negligence and underfunding safety.

The cons just happen to be in power. Libs would probably be just as do nothing.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

So, there's no e.coli danger. It didn't happen? C'mon. You're more intelligent than that. Left - right ! What's it matter when people are getting sick due to negligence and underfunding safety.

The cons just happen to be in power. Libs would probably be just as do nothing.

No one denied that it happened or that it could have been handled better. In reality it should never have happened in the first place. But his blog reads more like political BS claiming that it is all the fault of 2 conservative governments. It is really the fault of management at the plant and no one else.
There was a guy on CBC radio yesterday morning claiming that there is a vaccine available for cows that would prevent Ecoli in humans. Cost to farmers would be about 50 mill annually. Apparently it is not used because it has no benefit to the cows themselves because E coli is a natural occurrence in them.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+3
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

But his blog reads more like political BS claiming that it is all the fault of 2 conservative governments. It is really the fault of management at the plant and no one else.


You'd think that a kid falling-down in the playground was the fault of the Conservative Party if the left-wing media were having a slow news day
Last edited by captain morgan; Oct 12th, 2012 at 09:25 AM..
 
earth_as_one
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The OP references an article which highlights the screw ups regarding the government's response to the e. Coli contamination at XL foods.

Government screw ups are self evident and undeniable.... this is not a left vs right issue but more about the Harper government's incompetent crisis management. As a result, "Alberta beef's brand is going to have to be fixed. Unfortunately, that's going to cost us taxpayers a lot of money and Alberta's beef farmers a lot of time, tears and bankruptcies."
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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I think that it's a (geo) political hot-potatoe.. Every so often there's an health related issue with California spinach, Chinese food products or Canadian meats.

The global community acts horrified for a couple of weeks and things smooth out soon after.
 
TenPenny
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I think it's part of the Muslim scheme to destroy us, that's why so many of the workers there are Muslims, it's all a conspiracy.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I think that it's a (geo) political hot-potatoe.. Every so often there's an health related issue with California spinach, Chinese food products or Canadian meats.

The global community acts horrified for a couple of weeks and things smooth out soon after.


Bang on Captain. Hard to focus on one thing for very long when they keep letting the dogs loose.


Tax: If was the cons who reduced the number of inspectors. " More inspectors don't necessarily mean compliance"........We'll never know.
 
earth_as_one
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I think that it's a (geo) political hot-potatoe.. Every so often there's an health related issue with California spinach, Chinese food products or Canadian meats.

The global community acts horrified for a couple of weeks and things smooth out soon after.

Burying this issue won't help Alberta farmers win back customers.

The point isn't that this happened on Harper's watch... although reducing the number of inspectors might have been a factor. The main point here is how this crisis was mishandled and as a result Alberta Beef's brand image was tarnished more than necessary.

The Harper government failed their damage control responsibilities and as a result repairing the Alberta Beef brand will require increased effort to repair. I hope they don't screw up that too.
 
CDNBear
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How is it the gov'ts fault XL foods didn't follow proper safety programs?

Oh ya, it's always enforcements fault.
 
wizard
#12
... rabble are a bunch of frickin' commies ...
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... rabble are a bunch of frickin' commies ...


More stupidity from the clinically brain dead.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... Rabble are a bunch of frickin' commies ...


l o l
 
darkbeaver
Republican
+2
#15
It's not bad as the leftretardbolshivickyturbopinkos insist. In a few short generations we will become resistant to e-coli with the help of improved GMO veggies.
 
earth_as_one
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

How is it the gov'ts fault XL foods didn't follow proper safety programs?

Oh ya, it's always enforcements fault.

Who made that claim? I certainly didn't. This is obviously a straw man argument.

Read the link in the OP before you respond. The Harper government's reaction to this problem was a screw up from the beginning and their actions (and lack of action) made the situation worse.

The Minister responsible should have admitted a problem exists right away. The Harper government should have issued an order to stop all food from leaving the plant to limit the scope of a possible recall. Then they should have sent in an inspection team in to ascertain the scope of the problem and supervise the cleanup. Food production only resumes after all the problems have been resolved.

Instead this is what the Harper government did:

First they tried to ignore the problem, then they downplayed it, then they refused to respond to questions from journalists and the public, then they looked for someone else to blame. Meanwhile, when they finally got around to organizing a recall of the products from the plant, the task that should have been Priority 1 on Day 1, the list of already-sold products had gown so long it was impossible for anyone to keep track of it. More than 2,000 products are now on the list, we are told. Cases of E. coli infection tied to the plant have literally spread across the country.

As a result a small manageable problem grew into a major catastrophe for the Alberta Beef industry. What should have been a small recall of a few beef products grew into one of the largest in Canada's history. This isn't a left vs right issue. This is about competent problem management.

The Harper government screwed up.

Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... rabble are a bunch of frickin' commies ...

They are lefties for certain. But this article is about how the Harper government failed to manage the problem competently, not about the benefits of socialism.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Oct 13th, 2012 at 05:15 AM..
 
CDNBear
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Who made that claim? I certainly didn't.

That's probably why I didn't reply to you. I didn't even read your post. Now that I have though, my reply actually applies somewhat, lol.

Quote:

This is obviously a straw man argument.

You being the resident expert on its use, aside. If a company is worried about its brand, it ensures it gives its customers the best product possible.

It doesn't require being forced to do it by government agencies.

Quote:

Read the link in the OP before you respond.

I did.

Stop being so vane, not all my posts are about you, even though you wish (And apparently believe) they were.

Quote:

The Harper government's reaction to this problem was a screw up from the beginning and their actions (and lack of action) made the situation worse.

The Minister responsible should have admitted a problem exists right away. The Harper government should have issued an order to stop all food from leaving the plant to limit the scope of a possible recall. Then they should have sent in an inspection team in to ascertain the scope of the problem and supervise the cleanup. Food production only resumes after all the problems have been resolved.

The Harper government screwed up.



How is it the gov'ts fault XL foods didn't follow proper safety programs?

Oh ya, it's always enforcements fault.
Last edited by CDNBear; Oct 13th, 2012 at 07:13 AM..
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by wizardView Post

... rabble are a bunch of frickin' commies ...

I'd lasted longer before being banned from Rabble than from Free Dominion though. Does that mean I'm more left leaning? Just kidding.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Bang on Captain. Hard to focus on one thing for very long when they keep letting the dogs loose.


Tax: If was the cons who reduced the number of inspectors. " More inspectors don't necessarily mean compliance"........We'll never know.

The number of government inspectors is irrelevant if they are not doing their job properly.It is only because we have a stupid legal system that government inspectors are even required. The proper method is to make senior management personally responsible so they will be sued into personal bankruptcy if such a problem occurs.
 
Walter
#20
Probably a union shop, same as in Walkerton.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Probably a union shop, same as in Walkerton.


Same con attitude also. Let the the company self police.

Were the Walkerton idiots in a union? I forget. I understand they tended to perhaps drink on the job a bit.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

The number of government inspectors is irrelevant if they are not doing their job properly.It is only because we have a stupid legal system that government inspectors are even required. The proper method is to make senior management personally responsible so they will be sued into personal bankruptcy if such a problem occurs.


Good point, Taxslave. How long do you figure it will take the cons to pass a law like that ? Or, if there is in fact already one on the books (?), to enforce it. ?
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Probably a union shop, same as in Walkerton.

I'm sure if it was a union shop, more attention would have been focused on the commission members
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I'm sure if it was a union shop, more attention would have been focused on the commission members


Yep, them pesky "UNION BOSSES" would have been hung out to dry by the kind hearted C E O'S.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Yep, them pesky "UNION BOSSES" would have been hung out to dry by the kind hearted C E O'S.

I'm thinking more like the union would have kept the fact that the Commission had water reports documenting the positive bacT hits, in the public eye. Most people know how badly the workers screwed up but not many understand just how bad management dropped the ball.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I'm thinking more like the union would have kept the fact that the Commission had water reports documenting the positive bacT hits, in the public eye. Most people know how badly the workers screwed up but not many understand just how bad management dropped the ball.


What?!! Those law abiding CEO's dropping the ball. Unheard of.......

Just my opinion, Cannuck; but I think once the class action suits get rolling, XL will be ex - L.........Too bad 2000 employees might become permanently unemployed. Really is sad.
 
earth_as_one
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this article is about how the Harper government failed to manage the problem competently, not about the benefits of socialism, unions. This article does claim Harper government caused the problem, although it does say that cutting government inspector positions may have been a contributing factor.

The main focus of that article is how the Harper government reacted to the problem... Instead of limiting the scope of the problem, they tried to ignore it and hope it went away. Instead they should have immediately went o damage control mode and ordered the plant's closure.

This crisis didn't just hurt XL foods. It has affected the entire Canadian beef industry from production through to sales.

If the Harper government stopped production as soon as the problem was detected by US inspectors we wouldn't have a 2000+ product recall as a result of tainted meat going through the production chain.
 
Nuggler
+2
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

this article is about how the Harper government failed to manage the problem competently, not about the benefits of socialism, unions. This article does claim Harper government caused the problem, although it does say that cutting government inspector positions may have been a contributing factor.

The main focus of that article is how the Harper government reacted to the problem... Instead of limiting the scope of the problem, they tried to ignore it and hope it went away. Instead they should have immediately went o damage control mode and ordered the plant's closure.

This crisis didn't just hurt XL foods. It has affected the entire Canadian beef industry from production through to sales.

If the Harper government stopped production as soon as the problem was detected by US inspectors we wouldn't have a 2000+ product recall as a result of tainted meat going through the production chain.


Nope, don't think so. Harper can take a bye on this one. If the company brass had practiced safety protocols which had been put in place, this wouldn't have happened.

Harper DID reduce the overall number of inspectors in the industry, but he didn't keep the lines moving, trumping cleanliness.

I hate defending the douche bag, but......................
 
earth_as_one
#28
But when the company did not practice safety protocols and continued to move tainted meat into the food chain, then its the government's responsibility to intervene. That did not happen in a timely manner and as a result the problem grew and more people were affected. A recall which would have been just a few products if the Harper government reacted, grew into thousands of products.

The Harper government was asleep at the switch and therefore deserves a good deal of credit for making this a much bigger crisis than it should have been.
 
CDNBear
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

But when the company did not practice safety protocols and continued to move tainted meat into the food chain, then its the government's responsibility to intervene. That did not happen in a timely manner and as a result the problem grew.

The Harper government was asleep at the switch and therefore deserves a good deal of credit for making this a much bigger crisis than it should have been.



How is it the gov'ts fault XL foods didn't follow proper safety programs?

Oh ya, it's always enforcements fault.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Harper DID reduce the overall number of inspectors in the industry...

Statistically speaking how much safer were elevators after they started inspecting them? The answer might surprise some people.
 
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