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Nuggler

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Or so says a left wing blogger.


So, there's no e.coli danger. It didn't happen? C'mon. You're more intelligent than that. Left - right ! What's it matter when people are getting sick due to negligence and underfunding safety.

The cons just happen to be in power. Libs would probably be just as do nothing.
 

taxslave

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So, there's no e.coli danger. It didn't happen? C'mon. You're more intelligent than that. Left - right ! What's it matter when people are getting sick due to negligence and underfunding safety.

The cons just happen to be in power. Libs would probably be just as do nothing.

No one denied that it happened or that it could have been handled better. In reality it should never have happened in the first place. But his blog reads more like political BS claiming that it is all the fault of 2 conservative governments. It is really the fault of management at the plant and no one else.
There was a guy on CBC radio yesterday morning claiming that there is a vaccine available for cows that would prevent Ecoli in humans. Cost to farmers would be about 50 mill annually. Apparently it is not used because it has no benefit to the cows themselves because E coli is a natural occurrence in them.
 

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But his blog reads more like political BS claiming that it is all the fault of 2 conservative governments. It is really the fault of management at the plant and no one else.


You'd think that a kid falling-down in the playground was the fault of the Conservative Party if the left-wing media were having a slow news day
 
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The OP references an article which highlights the screw ups regarding the government's response to the e. Coli contamination at XL foods.

Government screw ups are self evident and undeniable.... this is not a left vs right issue but more about the Harper government's incompetent crisis management. As a result, "Alberta beef's brand is going to have to be fixed. Unfortunately, that's going to cost us taxpayers a lot of money and Alberta's beef farmers a lot of time, tears and bankruptcies."
 

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I think that it's a (geo) political hot-potatoe.. Every so often there's an health related issue with California spinach, Chinese food products or Canadian meats.

The global community acts horrified for a couple of weeks and things smooth out soon after.
 

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I think that it's a (geo) political hot-potatoe.. Every so often there's an health related issue with California spinach, Chinese food products or Canadian meats.

The global community acts horrified for a couple of weeks and things smooth out soon after.


Bang on Captain. Hard to focus on one thing for very long when they keep letting the dogs loose.


Tax: If was the cons who reduced the number of inspectors. " More inspectors don't necessarily mean compliance"........We'll never know.
 

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I think that it's a (geo) political hot-potatoe.. Every so often there's an health related issue with California spinach, Chinese food products or Canadian meats.

The global community acts horrified for a couple of weeks and things smooth out soon after.
Burying this issue won't help Alberta farmers win back customers.

The point isn't that this happened on Harper's watch... although reducing the number of inspectors might have been a factor. The main point here is how this crisis was mishandled and as a result Alberta Beef's brand image was tarnished more than necessary.

The Harper government failed their damage control responsibilities and as a result repairing the Alberta Beef brand will require increased effort to repair. I hope they don't screw up that too.
 

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How is it the gov'ts fault XL foods didn't follow proper safety programs?

Oh ya, it's always enforcements fault. :roll:
 

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How is it the gov'ts fault XL foods didn't follow proper safety programs?

Oh ya, it's always enforcements fault. :roll:
Who made that claim? I certainly didn't. This is obviously a straw man argument.

Read the link in the OP before you respond. The Harper government's reaction to this problem was a screw up from the beginning and their actions (and lack of action) made the situation worse.

The Minister responsible should have admitted a problem exists right away. The Harper government should have issued an order to stop all food from leaving the plant to limit the scope of a possible recall. Then they should have sent in an inspection team in to ascertain the scope of the problem and supervise the cleanup. Food production only resumes after all the problems have been resolved.

Instead this is what the Harper government did:

First they tried to ignore the problem, then they downplayed it, then they refused to respond to questions from journalists and the public, then they looked for someone else to blame. Meanwhile, when they finally got around to organizing a recall of the products from the plant, the task that should have been Priority 1 on Day 1, the list of already-sold products had gown so long it was impossible for anyone to keep track of it. More than 2,000 products are now on the list, we are told. Cases of E. coli infection tied to the plant have literally spread across the country.

As a result a small manageable problem grew into a major catastrophe for the Alberta Beef industry. What should have been a small recall of a few beef products grew into one of the largest in Canada's history. This isn't a left vs right issue. This is about competent problem management.

The Harper government screwed up.

... rabble are a bunch of frickin' commies ...
They are lefties for certain. But this article is about how the Harper government failed to manage the problem competently, not about the benefits of socialism.
 
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Who made that claim? I certainly didn't.
That's probably why I didn't reply to you. I didn't even read your post. Now that I have though, my reply actually applies somewhat, lol.

This is obviously a straw man argument.
You being the resident expert on its use, aside. If a company is worried about its brand, it ensures it gives its customers the best product possible.

It doesn't require being forced to do it by government agencies.

Read the link in the OP before you respond.
I did.

Stop being so vane, not all my posts are about you, even though you wish (And apparently believe) they were.

The Harper government's reaction to this problem was a screw up from the beginning and their actions (and lack of action) made the situation worse.

The Minister responsible should have admitted a problem exists right away. The Harper government should have issued an order to stop all food from leaving the plant to limit the scope of a possible recall. Then they should have sent in an inspection team in to ascertain the scope of the problem and supervise the cleanup. Food production only resumes after all the problems have been resolved.

The Harper government screwed up.


How is it the gov'ts fault XL foods didn't follow proper safety programs?

Oh ya, it's always enforcements fault. :roll:
 
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Bang on Captain. Hard to focus on one thing for very long when they keep letting the dogs loose.


Tax: If was the cons who reduced the number of inspectors. " More inspectors don't necessarily mean compliance"........We'll never know.

The number of government inspectors is irrelevant if they are not doing their job properly.It is only because we have a stupid legal system that government inspectors are even required. The proper method is to make senior management personally responsible so they will be sued into personal bankruptcy if such a problem occurs.