Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

French Patriot

#1Sep 26th, 2012

Should Governments rescindthe noble lie of religions?

These lies were and are givento insure social harmony in an uneducated and gullible population OurGovernments lie and allow liars to lie to us of the supernatural fantasy andmagic

Governments learned a longago that religions were a good tool to use for social manipulation and control.Governments allowed and encouraged belief in fantasy, miracles and magic, theopium of the masses, and have lived with the drugged up population and religions.

Governments, with this noblelie, have maintained the current idiocy of immoral teachings within religionsand have caused much unjust discrimination and denigration of innocentpopulations of Gays, women and many others, for just doing what we now see asmoral.

Do you think we have maturedenough as a people that we can now rescind the laws that protect religions andgives them a tax haven and legitimacy?

Are we intelligent enough tonot need these lies anymore?

Can the population take ourreal reality or is the Government just going to let the flim-flam con game ofreligions to continue to damage the mental capabilities of the citizens in ourcountry?

Flim-flam and con artists aresubject to the law of the land. --- except for religions.

Can the population of Canadatake the truth?

Regards

In Between Man

Free Thinker

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

Do you think we have maturedenough as a people that we can now rescind the laws that protect religions andgives them a tax haven and legitimacy?

What laws that "protect religion" do think we should rescind? Just the laws regarding tax benefits, or the God-given right to worship freely?

Dexter Sinister

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Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

That's man-given, not god-given, all religions, given the power to do so, have tried to suppress other religions. There are still a lot of what are often called blue laws, or Lord's Day Acts, or Sunday observance laws, something like that, on the books in many jurisdictions.

Goober

Free Thinker

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Short answer
NO.

French Patriot

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by In Between Man

What laws that "protect religion" do think we should rescind? Just the laws regarding tax benefits, or the God-given right to worship freely?

The Noble lie that God exists in the first place.

Paying their fair share of taxes would not hurt and would lessen the burden on the rest of us.

BTW. Which God gave anyone any right to do anything?
Your imaginary one perhaps?

The Government has given religions the right to lie to those less able to resist their indoctrination.

Christopher Hitchens - Lying to Children - YouTube

Some people think that is immoral but not Christians of course as they call evil good and have the same immoral views as their genocidal son murdering God.

They sure teach great morals eh?

Regards
DL

karrie

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#6 Top Rated Post

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

It's so refreshing that atheists don't preach, don't judge, don't attempt to force their religious views. So much more enlightened.

French Patriot

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Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

Short answer
NO.

So, as a nation, we should continue to lie to our citizens.

Thanks for your foolish opinion.

Regards
DL

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

That's man-given, not god-given, all religions, given the power to do so, have tried to suppress other religions. There are still a lot of what are often called blue laws, or Lord's Day Acts, or Sunday observance laws, something like that, on the books in many jurisdictions.

Agreed.

Strange that we would want to pit one religion against the other in our homeland.

Regards
DL

L Gilbert

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Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Nope.

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Are we intelligent enough tonot need these lies anymore?

Apparently not. But some people are intelligent and wise enough not to snivel about what other people like in their life until they are affected by it.

Goober

Free Thinker

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

So, as a nation, we should continue to lie to our citizens.

Thanks for your foolish opinion.

Regards
DL

Why ask a question when you should know that you will receive dissenting opinions. So who is the fool.

French Patriot

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Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

It's so refreshing that atheists don't preach, don't judge, don't attempt to force their religious views. So much more enlightened.

Who is an atheist?
Not me.
Mind you, their morals are much better than those of believers.

But I would hate them as much as you seem to if they acted like theists.

If Atheists Acted Religious - YouTube

Thanks for the knee jerk reply though. You do my work for me.

Regards
DL

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#11

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

But I would hate them as much as you seem to if they acted like theists.

So, you hate yourself. Life's a bitch.

Goober

Free Thinker

#12

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

Who is an atheist?
Not me.
Mind you, their morals are much better than those of believers.
Regards
DL

Do you have proof supporting your statement- or is it just malodorous gas. And we know where that originates.

French Patriot

#13

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Nope.[/FONT]
Apparently not. But some people are intelligent and wise enough not to snivel about what other people like in their life until they are affected by it.

If you wait till they snivel at the damage, it is too late.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us whoare moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt theirparent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us allinto laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead butnot the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs infantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

Why ask a question when you should know that you will receive dissenting opinions. So who is the fool.

The one who answers a question with one word.
He is likely an idiot as well.

Regards
DL

TenPenny

#14

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

It's so refreshing that atheists don't preach, don't judge, don't attempt to force their religious views. So much more enlightened.

Being an atheist means you don't believe in God. It doesn't mean you aren't a complete (something we're no longer allowed to say). Why do people keep thinking that being an atheist means you're enlightened, or tolerant, or polite?

'It's not your religion that determines if you are a good person, it's your behaviour'

French Patriot

#15

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober

Do you have proof supporting your statement- or is it just malodorous gas. And we know where that originates.

You should take care of that problem.

To your question though.
Yes I do.
But if you think I will waste my time with you, you are sadly mistaken.

Is Christian morality psychopathic Sam Harris - YouTube

Regards
DL

Goober

Free Thinker

#16

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

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The one who answers a question with one word.
He is likely an idiot as well.

Regards
DL

The question was- Should Governments rescindthe noble lie of religions?

Rather simplistic question - Perhaps you find it difficult to comprehend - NO

karrie

No Party Affiliation

#17

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Being an atheist means you don't believe in God. It doesn't mean you aren't a complete (something we're no longer allowed to say). Why do people keep thinking that being an atheist means you're enlightened, or tolerant, or polite?

'It's not your religion that determines if you are a good person, it's your behaviour'

I've met many atheists who know that.... but my jab was at the ones who don't.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#18

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

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If you wait till they snivel at the damage, it is too late.

Caveat emptor.

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It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us whoare moral religionists as well as those who do not believe.

That can be said for anyone with strong beliefs. So you add to the fray? You are not helping the issue any.

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They all hurt theirparent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not.

Like I said, life can be a bitch. People that preach are no concern of mine until they start sniveling ..... like you are doing at this point in time.

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There is a Godhead

Possibly; possibly not. The probabilities are against it.

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butnot the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs infantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

Bullsplat. Many tales have very valuable bits of wisdom.

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For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.

No-one can do "nothing".
BTW, the quote you refer to is from Edmund Burke. Plagiarism is evil.

darkbeaver

Republican

#19

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

That's man-given, not god-given, all religions, given the power to do so, have tried to suppress other religions. There are still a lot of what are often called blue laws, or Lord's Day Acts, or Sunday observance laws, something like that, on the books in many jurisdictions.

Oh boy argument. How is it that apples can be considered god given (mother nature) while a predilection to worship a supreme being is not. Apples are good for us and I understand many consider the confidence in a supreme being similarly nourishing in a clinically proven way. I'm sure such a base point of view has been seriously debunked many times before but I would like some clarification. So do we have a god given right to apples?

French Patriot

#20

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Being an atheist means you don't believe in God. It doesn't mean you aren't a complete (something we're no longer allowed to say). Why do people keep thinking that being an atheist means you're enlightened, or tolerant, or polite?

'It's not your religion that determines if you are a good person, it's your behaviour'

Will a good person embrace aGod who has his own son murdered to teach us that it is good to punish the innocentinstead of the guilty if he demands it?

It was God's plan from thebeginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can bedemonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucifiedfrom the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucifyJesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damnedsin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build intothe Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for aproblem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the diewas cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when therewas absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have doneto women.

They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv9dspWh9g3hUampfeaturerelated

Regards

darkbeaver

Republican

#21

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

The good die young, that's gods way, every body knows that. The better you are the faster you're outta here and the less taxes you have to pay.

L Gilbert

No Party Affiliation

#22

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 26th, 2012

The good die young?

Eartha Kitt - I Want To Be Evil - YouTube

dumpthemonarchy

Free Thinker

#23

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 27th, 2012

Cut religious groups tax breaks. Govts should ignore religion.

karrie

No Party Affiliation

#24

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 28th, 2012

Any group doing charity should be able to receive tax breaks.

Praxius

Free Thinker

#25

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

It's so refreshing that atheists don't preach, don't judge, don't attempt to force their religious views. So much more enlightened.

It's about time some of us did.... religions had their centuries free to do so, maybe it's Atheist's turn to see if they can do better

But I do love it how Atheists are expected to remain silent about any wrong doings they may see, thus allowing those wrong doings to continue.

I mean, how dare they, right?

karrie

No Party Affiliation

#26

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 28th, 2012

Ah, you mistake what I complain about atheists in regards to, with disagreeing with their right to speak. everyone has a right to belief, everyone has a right to speak. But, Christian, atheist, muslim alike, I will point out when people are being hypocritical, or crossing the line into trying to force their views on others.

dumpthemonarchy

Free Thinker

#27

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

Any group doing charity should be able to receive tax breaks.

The problem with that is they let govt off the hook. Volunteer work is work, they ought to get paid. "Charities" in Canada not like they used to be, they are big biz, so treat them like a biz to cut down on corruption. Too many high salaries and nice offices, end the corporate welfare here.

In Between Man

Free Thinker

#28

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy

Cut religious groups tax breaks. Govts should ignore religion.

Only when we completely stop funding abortion.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

That's man-given, not god-given, all religions, given the power to do so, have tried to suppress other religions. There are still a lot of what are often called blue laws, or Lord's Day Acts, or Sunday observance laws, something like that, on the books in many jurisdictions.

That's a scary concept that our rights are man-given. That only means they can be taken away by man. Communist, and if I were to be unabated, Communist-atheist countries come to mind, China, North Korea, Soviet Union, etc.

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

The Noble lie that God exists in the first place.

Can you please provide evidence or proof that God's existence is a lie?

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Paying their fair share of taxes would not hurt and would lessen the burden on the rest of us.

But, but, that would leave less money for charity, food banks, clothing bins, orphans etc.

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BTW. Which God gave anyone any right to do anything?

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

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Your imaginary one perhaps?

No, no, no, this is all wrong. An imaginary thing can't give you a new heart, with new desires, inward peace, and hope for the future. Don't be silly.

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The Government has given religions the right to lie to those less able to resist their indoctrination.

Um, no again. It's actually God who created free will and bestowed it to us, so all though approximately 2000 false religions are capable of doing wrong by lying, we also have the ability to spread the Truth, which is salvation through Jesus Christ. Amen! (Governments don't bestow rights, they're only suppose to serve to protect them.)

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Some people think that is immoral but not Christians of course as they call evil good and have the same immoral views as their genocidal son murdering God.

They sure teach great morals eh?

If you object to the things God has done, then please tell me on what objective standard you base your moral objection on. Remember, if you tell me your standard is "What I think" or "How I feel" that would be your opinion only and not an objective standard. (Opinion counts for jack.)

Regards,
IBM

Omicron

#29

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by French Patriot

Should Governments rescindthe noble lie of religions?

Can the population of Canadatake the truth?

Actually, the problem is if the government of Quebeque can take the truth and rescind homo-bishops nailing choir boys choking them secret upon threat of hell in the middle of Harper getting his nuts kicked off if more than 50% of Canadians can have intelligence enouch to read Wiki for 20 minutes to see who to vote for.

Pretend there's an interstellar spaceship design like what's-is-place in Montreal could come up with.

Pretend I'm so idealistic that Americans dream about having fathers of confederations like me.

Explain to me how you could be so ****-holew thinking honour could be achieved by jerking off as low as Chicago with your sponsorship scandal.

Time to get over it.. You Franko's were that cause of it, and your heart is broken as we discover the last remanent descendent of the French crown to do a political mating with ... I am told the Queen will offer damn-near anything to shut you up, up to and including finding some dumb-stupid French-Quibequopis bitch to ring her up, take some egg cells, and establish a Canadian monarchy able to hold to to position enough to stop TO types trying to be NY to become theior onn sort of newley depressing king as if we had not seen that already before.

Last edited by Omicron; Sep 28th, 2012 at 04:15 AM..

Dexter Sinister

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#30

Re: Should Governments rescind the noble lie of religions?

Sep 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by In Between Man

That's a scary concept that our rights are man-given. That only means they can be taken away by man.

Yes, that's exactly what it means, which demonstrates that they're man-given. Look around the world at all the places where basic human rights are denied to people, and ask yourself who did that. You might be able to make the case that some deity defines what they are, though I think that'd be fairly easy to knock down just by pointing at rights we have that are mentioned nowhere in any religious writings, like voting, but who gets them and who doesn't depends on human decisions.

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