Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Fletch

#1Sep 17th, 2012

Violent protests against anti-Islam film leave one dead - thestar.com

TIMERGARAH, PAKISTAN—Hundreds of protesters demonstrating against an anti-Islam film torched a press club and a government building in northwest Pakistan on Monday, sparking clashes with police that left at least one person dead. Demonstrations also turned violent outside a U.S. military base in Afghanistan and the U.S. embassy in Indonesia.

With numerouse people dead and simply due to a "Movie"..... This "Faith" is a terrorist organization.. We supported the "Arab Spring" blindly and ousted or killed the "Good guys" like Saddam Hussein, Mubarak and Ghadaffi.. These guys were keeping the crazzies at bay or in jails and Camps.

Would it be out of line to shut down EVERY single application or entry from a Muslim or Islamis? My opinion is that ts about time for the safety and concern of others. Why not?

Corduroy

#2 Top Rated Post

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

I have something against punishing a group of people for the actions of some of its members. Something about our entire society being based around individual rights.

Goober

Free Thinker

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Fletch

Violent protests against anti-Islam film leave one dead - thestar.com

TIMERGARAH, PAKISTAN—Hundreds of protesters demonstrating against an anti-Islam film torched a press club and a government building in northwest Pakistan on Monday, sparking clashes with police that left at least one person dead. Demonstrations also turned violent outside a U.S. military base in Afghanistan and the U.S. embassy in Indonesia.

With numerouse people dead and simply due to a "Movie"..... This "Faith" is a terrorist organization.. We supported the "Arab Spring" blindly and ousted or killed the "Good guys" like Saddam Hussein, Mubarak and Ghadaffi.. These guys were keeping the crazzies at bay or in jails and Camps.

Would it be out of line to shut down EVERY single application or entry from a Muslim or Islamis? My opinion is that ts about time for the safety and concern of others. Why not?

Is this rioting, attacking embassies, killing people happening in the US, Canada, Europe?

Now there are tens of millions of Muslims in the countries I mentioned. What is your solution for these tens of millions.

tay

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Prof Ted Cantle said that the idea of multiculturalism in Britain is now “well past its sell-by date” and is often doing more harm than good.

He accused the Government of fuelling separation in communities rather than bringing people together by allowing small groups to claim “special status” – and with it funding – amounting to a form of state-sponsored segregation.

Councils and police are also giving undue legitimacy to “self-appointed leaders” in some areas by inviting them to endless meetings and consulting them on their views and allowing them to become “gatekeepers to their communities”, he warned.

Meanwhile grants from government funding pots, councils and charities have allowed thousands of separate community groups to grow up representing their own interests and reinforcing separation, he said.

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Multiculturalism 'past its sell-by date' warns race expert - Telegraph

WLDB

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Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

You know, 100 years ago people in the US had similar complaints about Irish Catholics, then it was the Italians and then it was the Jews. This is just another form of xenophobia.

A lot of these countries have been in one form of political turmoil or another for nearly a century. The only time they've had stability is while under a brutal dictator. Its natural that there will be 'growing pains' of sorts. The American Revolution wasnt very pleasant when it happened either, nor was its Civil War.

We already have fairly decent methods to weed out dangerous people from immigrating here. The US does as well. Perhaps they can be tweaked a bit but completely shutting down immigration to a religious or ethnic group is incredibly stupid. Want to bring back the head tax as well? Plus you would face one major problem both here and in the US - there are Muslim citizens here. I imagine they wouldnt be too happy about that. I know dozens of them. They're fellow students, friends, etc. Hell Ive been to parties and seen many of them drink. They are just as diverse as any religious group when it comes to their politics and the level of devotion to their religion. I know a man who considers himself a muslim even though he drinks, regularly has pre-marital sex, never prays or goes to a mosque and he loves bacon. He came here from Pakistan as a teenager too. The location of a person and their religious or ethnic identity doesnt mean a whole lot. Just like many people I know who call themselves Christians but dont practice any of it aside from maybe Christmas.

B00Mer

Libertarian

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

It's sorta a funny topic... I agree to limiting immigration from Islamic countries.. but close the border.. lol 15 Million illegal Mexicans in the USA.. hasn't worked well so far.

55Mercury

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

There's no doubt in my mind that if the people of the 1950s or 60s had any way of knowing how the future would unfold there would have been a resounding "NO!" to any immigration of moslems, period.

Hand over the immigration portfolio to the Assembly of First Nations. If they want moslems to continue to come to their lands, then it's good enough for me. And if they say "no more white people" too, then that's good enough for me, too.

CDNBear

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by 55Mercury

Hand over the immigration portfolio to the Assembly of First Nations. If they want moslems to continue to come to their lands, then it's good enough for me. And if they say "no more white people" too, then that's good enough for me, too.

The problem there is, the First Nations erroneously see a kindred spirit in Muslims.

Locutus

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Full sized here:

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55Mercury

#10

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

The problem there is, the First Nations erroneously see a kindred spirit in Muslims.

Quite erroneously then, as they would be considered infidels due for extermination right along with the rest of the non-islamic world.

CDNBear

#11

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by 55Mercury

Quite erroneously then, as they would be considered infidels due for extermination right along with the rest of the non-islamic world.

When you're fighting the "man", rational thought is the first casualty.

Fletch

#12

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Many kids have died of peanut allergies... We said "enough is enough" and even to the sacrifice of thousands of other children who LOVE peanut butter, we took the steps to ban it from schools ... saving lives.... How many lives do islamists need to shed before we say enough?!
Would it be acceptable to close the border now and let existine islamist residents to live a happy life as they were already accepted in? Im AOK with that.. Im sure they would be as well!
Then they can continue on with thier "individual rights" etc.etc without killing anyone over a "Movie", or a cartoon, or whats next, a t-shirt??

CDNBear

#13

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

A peanut is not a person.

SLM

No Party Affiliation

#14

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

A peanut is not a person.

Fletch

#15

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

I was hoping you would say that... Look up "Infadel"... Its lower than the lowly Mr.Peanut.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

A peanut is not a person.

CDNBear

#16

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Fletch

I was hoping you would say that... Look up "Infadel"... Its lower than the lowly Mr.Peanut.

Irrelevant.

Tonington

#17

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Fletch

I was hoping you would say that... Look up "Infadel"... Its lower than the lowly Mr.Peanut.

This is Canada, not some backwater nation steered by religious doctrine and retarded social norms. Though I will admit, there are still an unfortunate number of dim wits here who would rather react than think.

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BruSan

#18

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Well maybe restricting the moderates would compel them to take a more active role in controlling the radicals?

Keep treating them with kid gloves and there is no incentive for them to take an active part as they don't bare any of the risk while their more radical counterparts blow up people and things.

Mowich

Conservative

#19

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Fletch

I was hoping you would say that... Look up "Infadel"... Its lower than the lowly Mr.Peanut.

I did and guess what I got back................Did you mean: infidel

Tonington

#20

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by BruSan

Well maybe restricting the moderates would compel them to take a more active role in controlling the radicals?

Or, you show moderates that you're too inept, lazy, and stupid to deal with the problem yourself and end up turning away from the people you want to ally with. You don't treat allies the same as you treat people who want to harm you, do you? That's pretty phucked up.

This idea of closing the border is so unbelievably stupid.

Mowich

Conservative

#21

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Ron Paul - Consequences of U.S. Interventionist Foreign Policy

By: Dr_Ron_Paul

The attack on the US consulate in Libya and the killing of the US Ambassador and several aides is another tragic example of how our interventionist foreign policy undermines our national security. The more the US tries to control the rest of the world, either by democracy promotion, aid to foreign governments, or by bombs, the more events spin out of control into chaos, unintended consequences, and blowback.

Unfortunately, what we saw in Libya last week is nothing new.

In 1980s Afghanistan, the US supported Islamic radicals in their efforts to expel the invading Soviet military. These radicals became what is known to be al-Qaeda, and our one-times allies turned on us most spectacularly on September 11, 2001.

Iraq did not have a significant al Qaeda presence before the 2003 US invasion, but our occupation of that country and attempt to remake it in our image caused a massive reaction that opened the door to al Qaeda, leading to thousands of US soldiers dead, a country destroyed, and instability that shows no sign of diminishing.

In Libya we worked with, among others, the rebel Libyan Fighting Group (LIFG) which included foreign elements of al-Qaeda. It has been pointed out that the al-Qaeda affiliated radicals we fought in Iraq were some of the same groups we worked with to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya. Last year in a television interview I predicted that the result of NATO's bombing of Libya would likely be an increased al-Qaeda presence in the country. I said at the time that we may be delivering al-Qaeda another prize.

Not long after NATO overthrew Gaddafi, the al Qaeda flag was flown over the courthouse in Benghazi. Should we be surprised, then, that less than a year later there would be an attack on our consulate in Benghazi? We have been told for at least the past eleven years that these people are the enemy who seeks to do us harm.

There is danger in the belief we can remake the world by bribing some countries and bombing others. But that is precisely what the interventionists - be they liberal or conservative - seem to believe. When the world does not conform to their image, they seem genuinely shocked. The secretary of state's reaction to the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi was one of confusion. "How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction," she asked.

The problem is that we do not know and we cannot know enough about these societies we are seeking to remake. We never try to see through the eyes of those we seek to liberate. Libya is in utter chaos, the infrastructure has been bombed to rubble, the economy has ceased to exist, gangs and militias rule by brutal force, the government is seen as a completely illegitimate and powerless US puppet. How could anyone be shocked that the Libyans do not see our bombing their country as saving it from destruction?

Currently, the US is actively supporting rebels in Syria that even our CIA tells us are affiliated with al Qaeda. Many of these radical Islamist fighters in Syria were not long ago fighting in Libya. We must learn from these mistakes and immediately cease all support for the Syrian rebels, lest history once again repeat itself. We are literally backing the same people in Syria that we are fighting in Afghanistan and that have just killed our ambassador in Libya! We must finally abandon the interventionist impulse before it is too late.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36576.html

CDNBear

#22

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

You don't treat allies the same as you treat people who want to harm you, do you?

No, no you don't.

So how do we tell the good Muslims from the bad, Ton?

BruSan

#23

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Or, you show moderates that you're too inept, lazy, and stupid to deal with the problem yourself and end up turning away from the people you want to ally with. You don't treat allies the same as you treat people who want to harm you, do you? That's pretty phucked up.

This idea of closing the border is so unbelievably stupid.

While you're busy telling us how you think this is a stupid idea why not tell us how treating them as we have has helped "ally" them to our side of the equation? How has treating them as allies garnered any tangible response from them as "allies"? Their inactivity on behalf of the peaceful aspect stated as being part of their religion speaks volumes your condescending attitude does nothing to change; but feel free to kiss their azz regardless. Your grandkids will enjoy being muslims I guess.

You don't/can't ally yourself with a religion that purports to describe all who do not believe as infidels and worthy of irradication. They are merely taking advantage of your largesse while waiting for that day .......

Bar Sinister

No Party Affiliation

#24

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by tay

Prof Ted Cantle said that the idea of multiculturalism in Britain is now “well past its sell-by date” and is often doing more harm than good.

He accused the Government of fuelling separation in communities rather than bringing people together by allowing small groups to claim “special status” – and with it funding – amounting to a form of state-sponsored segregation.

Councils and police are also giving undue legitimacy to “self-appointed leaders” in some areas by inviting them to endless meetings and consulting them on their views and allowing them to become “gatekeepers to their communities”, he warned.

Meanwhile grants from government funding pots, councils and charities have allowed thousands of separate community groups to grow up representing their own interests and reinforcing separation, he said.

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Multiculturalism 'past its sell-by date' warns race expert - Telegraph

For what it is worth Canada has a long history of these sorts of attacks being made on multiculturalism. There is little evidence that programs promoting a cultural diversity have any adverse affect on unity. Instead it seems to have worked the other way around. The more culturally aware Canadians have become the more rapidly various cultural groups seem to become integrated into mainstream society. As Mr. Cantle himself admits Britain continues to become more culturally diverse; what he may not have figured out is that multiculturalism may be partially responsible for this trend.

Colpy

Conservative

#25

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy

I have something against punishing a group of people for the actions of some of its members. Something about our entire society being based around individual rights.

Wrong.

People do NOT have a right to come here.

We can let them in, or keep them out for any reason, stated or unstated, or no reason at all.......perfectly legitimately. It is our house.

I do not want this nation to have the problems that Europe has had with large Muslim immigrant communities.

"Democracy, immigration, multiculturalism. Pick any two."

damngrumpy

No Party Affiliation

#26

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 18th, 2012

Simple solutions to this problem do not exist period. First of all most, not all
but most of the people that would be punished are trying to get away from the
nut cases they do not embrace them.
All to often, we see groups or whole blocks of citizens use such acts as a means
to confine the freedoms of others. I do however believe our Immigration officials
should be more formal and determine who is and is not a problem.
I heard today that Muslims want America to ban the latest film critical of the
Islamic founder. We have an open society with no such right to ban something
based on religion. Those who make such demands should not be permitted to
enter the country. Those who are within the boarders and make the same demands
are also at risk, they are not living up to the pledge they took to become a citizen
as we have a democratic and open society. My question is are they expressing an
opinion or committing fraud in that they are opposing what they signed onto.
An no we should not ban critical films. We are a society not a group of crazy tribesmen
and women. It is time for some parts of the world to grow up or be quarantined until
they do grow up. No blanket shutdown of the boarder but undesirables should be
kept out regardless of where they come from.

Praxius

Free Thinker

#27

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 18th, 2012

Well many here have seen that picture of the kid holding up that sign saying something like beheading the infidels..... which was from the protests here in Australia, which turned violent and ended in a big mess...

.... the radio update just two seconds ago noted that the Muslim community here is planning another large protest for the weekend.... All of the Muslim religious leaders (being played on the radio as I type this) all condemn this new protest coming, all religious leaders of all cloths are strongly suggesting boycotting the protest.

.... anyways, due to the stink that occurred during those last protests, the Government here is looking through all the photos and videos, as well as police documents over the violence from the protests, they're going to find all those who were involved whom are on Temp Residency / Visas and they're booting their asses out of the country.

Just as they should.

... While those who are here under Perm' Residency or Citizens will be facing the full brunt of the law for their actions.

That's where it should end.... that's how our societies work. Just like the whole torture thing in Gitmo, when we as a society / nation decide to stoop to low levels and take knee jerk reactions or take actions that are not condoned by our laws and our way of life to protect it, only shows that our way of life, our laws and our rights are weak, they don't work, and require equally narrow minded thinking and actions to maintain our weak way of life.

But it's not weak, our society, our governments, our rights and our equality is strong... and if we abide by our own ways and stick by the book based on how we live and what we will and will not tolerate based on all of this, those guilty will be caught, they will be punished and they will be removed from society to protect the rest of us and our way of life.

Those who are peaceful, those who abide by our laws are not people we should fear, regardless of their religious beliefs or backgrounds.... those are the people who are contributing to our societies and living as we live in our countries.

The moment we decide to act like we did in WWII against Japanese Citizens/Residents due to fear, or Germans, etc.... and brand that entire race/group/religion as dangers without evidence, but based solely on fear alone.... we as a society lose, we let our fear take over and we show just how weak we are, as well as our way of life.

Idiots protest and create violence.... arrest them, club em in the back of the head and drag them off to jail:

For those who decide to take up arms and endanger the lives of our citizens.... shoot them.

But don't act like chicken sh*ts by shutting down the borders and acting like paranoid hermits.

Just be more aware and show little tolerance for this kind of behaviour.

I actually like the idea of the Aussie Government collecting all these people on Temp Visa's, cancelling them and giving them a big Aussie Boot to the *** out the door.

Bar Sinister

No Party Affiliation

#28

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

I do not want this nation to have the problems that Europe has had with large Muslim immigrant communities.

"Democracy, immigration, multiculturalism. Pick any two."

Apparently Canada is not going to have any problems. Have you heard any news of major Muslim protests in Canada? I suspect very strongly this is due to the three choices you listed in bold. Take any one of them out and there might be a problem. BTW just in case you think the number of Muslims in Canada is too low to matter I think if you check the numbers, that as a percentage of the population Muslims in certain parts of Canada, such as Ontario match the numbers in Europe.

BruSan

#29

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

Apparently Canada is not going to have any problems. Have you heard any news of major Muslim protests in Canada? I suspect very strongly this is due to the three choices you listed in bold. Take any one of them out and there might be a problem. BTW just in case you think the number of Muslims in Canada is too low to matter I think if you check the numbers, that as a percentage of the population Muslims in certain parts of Canada, such as Ontario match the numbers in Europe.

I suggest you simply wait for it. If you think it isn't going to manifest itself in the very same manner as in other countries, you are sadly mistaken. We get time to breathe based on one thing, and one thing only, organizational strength.

The more radical ones need just a bit more time to force the moderates into a fear motivated frenzy in Canada but it will happen as surely as summer follows spring.

tay

#30

Re: Time to Close the Borders in North America?

Sep 18th, 2012

Screw 'North America'.

How about just closing the border around Canada. let them go to the States if they want.

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