NASA: Tar sands is the "dirtiest of fuels"

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NASA's James Hansen: tar sands is the "dirtiest of fuels" and "game over for the climate"

James Hansen, Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, made another appeal this week to end our reliance on tar sands oil or it will be “game over” for the climate. If we continue to approve pipelines bringing in the dirtiest of fuels like tar sands he said, “there is no hope of keeping carbon concentrations below 500 p.p.m. — a level that would, as earth’s history shows, leave our children a climate system that is out of their control.” The production of tar sands oil has three times the global warming emissions as conventional oil production. Hansen rightly cautions that turning to these “dirtiest of fuels” for our gas tanks derails efforts to reduce our dependency on climate-changing fossil fuels.



Hansen doesn’t apologize for sounding apocalyptic because the reality is that deep carbon emissions reductions will be needed to counter these trends. To make these deep emissions cuts, we have no other choice than to reject expansion of tar sands and the extraction of other sources of dirtier, more destructive and more expensive forms of oil. As the world now approaches the end of cheap and easily accessible oil, the oil industry is now exploiting new sources of petroleum that were once uneconomical to extract. These so called “unconventional oils” are carbon laden, locked deeply into the earth and bound to sand, tar, and rock. Tar sands from Canada is one of these unconventional fuels - a very hard-to-reach dirty energy source that was left in the ground deep under the Boreal forests and wetlands for decades because it was too costly and energy intensive to remove.

Today, our growing addiction to tar sands and to oil more generally is taking America and the world away from making progress to combat climate change. This is not theoretical. Building the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline alone for example would wipe out the benefits of new EPA standards adopted that would cut greenhouse gas emissions from medium to heavy-duty trucks. Solve Climate News recently outlined how tar sands pipelines – existing and planned – are creeping on to the American landscape.

But Hansen reinforces a critical point: rather than making the obvious choice to reject these dirty and out-dated sources of oil, we are instead increasing the “addiction” building new tar sands pipelines. Building the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline for example is the equivalent of seven coal-fired power plants operating continuously or having 6.2 million cars on the road for 50 years. And this is just the climate emissions associated with one tar sands pipeline. The tar sands industry has longer term plans to expand their exploitation of tar sands from just over two million barrels a day to as much as nine million barrels a day in the coming decades.

Because the United States takes the vast majority of Canada's tar sands, we are in the driver’s seat determining whether tar sands becomes the energy of the future or a mistake of the past. What signal do we want to send? A recent paper from the Carnegie Endowment called for strong policies to ensure that these new unconventional oil do not have significant advantage over low-carbon alternatives. Hansen called for a carbon fee from fossil fuel companies distributed to Americans to spur a reduction in oil use.

Regardless, Hansen suggests now is the time to signal a total rejection of tar sands in the name of protecting our climate.

NASA's James Hansen: tar sands is the "dirtiest of fuels" and "game over for the climate"
 

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From the people who have been tasked with creating a feel-good fuzzy 'we love, appreciate and thank muslims' environment worldwide.

NASA is a friggin' joke under Bobo. :lol:
 

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For the record, I don't disagree with the premise that the oilsands are harmful to the climate - that goes without saying. But the degree of harm is in question and there should be more study to confirm exactly what kind of development is reasonable.
 

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How come Hardisty is in the middle of the heavy crude patch? Why doesn't the line start at the "Oil Sands"? ;)

TransCanada to start oil terminal in Hardisty



By Vincent McDermott

Posted 1 day ago


TransCanada Corp. announced Wednesday that the Calgary-based pipeline company has received enough customer support to begin construction of a $275-million oil terminal in Hardisty, Alta., 200 kilometres southeast of Edmonton — the starting point for the planned Keystone XL pipeline bound for Texas.

In a statement, TransCanada wrote that the company has received binding, long-term commitments of more than 500,000 bpd of Alberta crude. This has allowed the company to expand the pipeline and storage tank infrastructure at the terminal to handle a total of 2.6 million bpd, up from 2 million bpd.

The project is expected to become operational in late 2014.
 

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Anyone with more than half a brain would read Hansen's piece and be more than a little concerned about it. Hansen is the scientist who more than any other put his personal advantage and career on the line toby defying the American government and putting NASA's findings before the public. For those of you who actually pay attention to this looming catastrophe it is no secret now that the Academies of the whole world and most scientists who work in fields related to climatology now say that we have only a few years left to begin serious steps in the creation of a carbon neutral world or it will be too late.

The Club of Rome is just the latest in that prediction. 2017 is heir date for a tipping point beyond which we may as well just write apologies to our heirs in our wills.

It is really ratehr pathetic to read all th oil soaked brains slandering Hansen. One of the two or three most competent and prominent in the field.
 

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Since when is NASA the last word in science? Their successes came only from 50+ years of screwing up and getting lucky once in a while whilst spending trillions that private for profit corporations would have turned into 10x the success factor.
 

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Since when is NASA the last word in science? Their successes came only from 50+ years of screwing up and getting lucky once in a while whilst spending trillions that private for profit corporations would have turned into 10x the success factor.
You seem to be confused about what NASA is This has not a thing to do with Space research. It is about climate scientist and it is one of the leading organisations in the world at that with a staff of world class scientists.

Hansen was the chief of these before he moved on so that he could speak out on this the most serious matter that the human race has ever faced.
 

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What a bunch of BS,0ver 25 years of mining under my belt and I can still tell **** from shinola.

Anyone with half a brain would think for themselves and maybe do some research on their own.
 

Ron in Regina

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Because the United States takes the vast majority of Canada's tar sands, we are in the driver’s seat determining whether tar sands becomes the energy of the future or a mistake of the past. What signal do we want to send? A recent paper from the Carnegie Endowment called for strong policies to ensure that these new unconventional oil do not have significant advantage over low-carbon alternatives. Hansen called for a carbon fee from fossil fuel companies distributed to Americans to spur a reduction in oil use.


This is an interesting quote. A simple solution is for the USA, in agreement
with Canada, to scrape a portion of NAFTA that locks Canada into suppling
the bulk of our export of oil to the USA. Canada would be forced to find other
customers for that oil, and the USA could leap into their green future free of
the temptation to utalize this resource from a reliable trading partner that they
share a common border with.
 

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NASA should worry more about it's own funding.. when you have to hitch hike rides from Russia to your own space station, your credibility is somewhat tarred

When the US government wanted to cut the funding for Mars because of lack of life NASA found some meteors that fell to earth that came from Mars that had water crystals in it.

How would they know it came from Mars?

NASA is full of theories or fiction.

What does NASA think about fracking? Probably better for the environment and to hell with the drinking water.
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Ron in Regina

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Why would the National Aeronautics and Space Administration think,
or have any official opinion pertaining to "Fracking" ???

I'm not saying that they won't come out with a position on it, but beyond
politics, what would be their prerogative?
 
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Liberalman

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Why would the National Aeronautics and Space Administration think,
or have any official opinion pertaining to "Fracking" ???

I'm not saying that they won't come out with a position on it, but beyond
politics, what would be their prerogative?

Would that pertain to oil sands?
 

Ron in Regina

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Would that pertain to oil sands?


Who knows? I'm just try'n to point out that NASA is the National Aeronautics
and Space Administration....so what would be their motivation to even state an
opinion on the topic be? How, in any stretch of the imagination, would the
oil sands pertain to Aeronautics and/or Space?
 

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Charles Bolden, a retired United States Marines Corps major-general and former astronaut, said in an interview with al-Jazeera that Nasa was not only a space exploration agency but also an "Earth improvement agency".




Mr Bolden said: "When I became the Nasa administrator, he [Mr Obama] charged me with three things.




"One, he wanted me to help reinspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."



/NASA



 

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It is almost embarrassing to read some of the latest posts. People who don't know the difference between climate science and spaceships. But, it is a nice distraction from one of the most important questions that Canada will face in the coming decade.

Whether it reins in its insane development of the "Tar" Sands, or whether the world will have to make it do so.