Defence Reform

[NewGlobalOrder]

- Because Canada does not have any hostile neighbours, Canada can afford not having a standing military force. Therefore, I would dissolve the Canadian Armed Forces, and turn it into the Canadian Emergency Response Agency


- CERA is a multipurpose aid force to assist provinces and territories whenever they need it, because there has been in the past, and will probably be in the future, a natural disaster happening somewhere in Canada


- When asked by a province, territory, or city, CERA will respond to a State of Emergency. To keep a clear chain of command, CERA personnel, equipment and supplies, will be under control of the local authority


- CERA will only take over when the local authority doesn’t have a well organized chain of command, or they just do not know what they’re doing


- Only the Prime Minister, or the Minister responsible for CERA can over-rule the local authority


- CERA personnel will take paramedic, firefighting, policing, riot and other forms of training related to dealing with a State of Emergency


- CERA time to time will also help out other countries when they request for assistance, like with the nuclear meltdown in Japan


- All military equipment not needed for CERA, will either be transferred over to the United Nations to assist in peacekeeping operations, or will be sold


- $1 billion of the military budget will be transferred to the annual budget of CSIS, as terrorism, whether it be religious or political, is the true threat to our national security, not invasion from another country


- As for the rest of the military budget, a small portion will be set aside for CERA, leaving the rest to be spent elsewhere

 

[gerryh]

ROFLMAO...... I can see this is going to go over like a lead balloon on this forum.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The planet is far too small to base any argument on the claim that Canada has no hostile neighbours, because it's simply not true. There ARE nations and transnational organizations that are hostile to us, and if you think they're too far away to do us any harm you're living in a fantasy.

 

[Colpy]

- Because Canada does not have any hostile neighbours, Canada can afford not having a standing military force. Therefore, I would dissolve the Canadian Armed Forces, and turn it into the Canadian Emergency Response Agency

That's right, and the USA had no hostile neighbours on Dec. 6, 1941.

That kinda changed the next morning........and that was with the technology and the ability to project power of 70 years ago.....

Let's see.....a short list of hostiles that border us over water......Russia, China, North Korea.

And we are signatories of a number of military treaties that require us to be able to step up to the plate and work with our allies.

You need to rethink.

I'm being very polite to the new guy...

 

[Angstrom]

A small specialized very Elite force,
With a Switzerland like, program for defense
could be a good idea for Canada.

Finding ways to cut and save and get the same
results is possible. Especially with drone's
Today. War is not what it use to be.

Yes Canada needs a military.But it needs to modernize.
Times change, things move forward.
Revamping and making our army modern and efficient
and less costly, sounds like a good idea to me.

 

[EagleSmack]

The Cylons are our friends... they want peace.

 

[gerryh]

I'm being very polite to the new guy...

Pussy

 

[wulfie68]

Sooooo...

CERA means
- no national structure for SAR operations, because the municipalities will all be after control of the resources.
- no Coast Guard meaning foreign vessels have no reason to respect Canadian law in our waters
- Canada will withdraw from all its alliances and treaty obligations meaning that countries who were formerly allied to us now have less reason to respect our sovereignty in places like the Arctic and in more extreme cases no reason to fear retribution if an incident should occur leaving us with pretty much the sole recourse of the ineffectiveness and corruption UN.

And that doesn't include the point that Dexter Sinister made earlier...

 

[taxslave]

That's right, and the USA had no hostile neighbours on Dec. 6, 1941.

That kinda changed the next morning........and that was with the technology and the ability to project power of 70 years ago.....

Let's see.....a short list of hostiles that border us over water......Russia, China, North Korea.

And we are signatories of a number of military treaties that require us to be able to step up to the plate and work with our allies.

You need to rethink.

I'm being very polite to the new guy...

You forgot the US.

 

[Thoughtpolice]

We have an enemy. His name is Dave.

 

[taxslave]

- Because Canada does not have any hostile neighbours, Canada can afford not having a standing military force. Therefore, I would dissolve the Canadian Armed Forces, and turn it into the Canadian Emergency Response Agency


- CERA is a multipurpose aid force to assist provinces and territories whenever they need it, because there has been in the past, and will probably be in the future, a natural disaster happening somewhere in Canada


- When asked by a province, territory, or city, CERA will respond to a State of Emergency. To keep a clear chain of command, CERA personnel, equipment and supplies, will be under control of the local authority


- CERA will only take over when the local authority doesn’t have a well organized chain of command, or they just do not know what they’re doing


- Only the Prime Minister, or the Minister responsible for CERA can over-rule the local authority


- CERA personnel will take paramedic, firefighting, policing, riot and other forms of training related to dealing with a State of Emergency


- CERA time to time will also help out other countries when they request for assistance, like with the nuclear meltdown in Japan


- All military equipment not needed for CERA, will either be transferred over to the United Nations to assist in peacekeeping operations, or will be sold


- $1 billion of the military budget will be transferred to the annual budget of CSIS, as terrorism, whether it be religious or political, is the true threat to our national security, not invasion from another country


- As for the rest of the military budget, a small portion will be set aside for CERA, leaving the rest to be spent elsewhere

How much is your monthly drug bill?

 

[Ron in Regina]

We have an enemy. His name is Dave.

Dave?

 

[lone wolf]

We have an enemy. His name is Dave.

lolydoo poo?

 

[Tonington]

Who will help Toronto to dig out of those snow storms if we have no military? Are you going to replace the military with a hippy corps of self-actualizing numbskulls? Take a deep breath and clear your mind, problem solved....lol

 

[L Gilbert]

- Because Canada does not have any hostile neighbours, Canada can afford not having a standing military force. Therefore, I would dissolve the Canadian Armed Forces, and turn it into the Canadian Emergency Response Agency


- CERA is a multipurpose aid force to assist provinces and territories whenever they need it, because there has been in the past, and will probably be in the future, a natural disaster happening somewhere in Canada


- When asked by a province, territory, or city, CERA will respond to a State of Emergency. To keep a clear chain of command, CERA personnel, equipment and supplies, will be under control of the local authority


- CERA will only take over when the local authority doesn’t have a well organized chain of command, or they just do not know what they’re doing


- Only the Prime Minister, or the Minister responsible for CERA can over-rule the local authority


- CERA personnel will take paramedic, firefighting, policing, riot and other forms of training related to dealing with a State of Emergency


- CERA time to time will also help out other countries when they request for assistance, like with the nuclear meltdown in Japan


- All military equipment not needed for CERA, will either be transferred over to the United Nations to assist in peacekeeping operations, or will be sold


- $1 billion of the military budget will be transferred to the annual budget of CSIS, as terrorism, whether it be religious or political, is the true threat to our national security, not invasion from another country


- As for the rest of the military budget, a small portion will be set aside for CERA, leaving the rest to be spent elsewhere

And when that nutbar from NK lobs a nuke over here just cuz we looked at him sideways, we defend ourselves with this CERA? You volunteer for CERA first.

 

[Ron in Regina]

lolydoo poo?

Oh God....it it that time again? :roll: I frick'n hope not....

 

[L Gilbert]

Dave?

lol First thing I thought was Cheech and Chong's "Dave".

Cheech and Chong - Dave's Not Here - YouTube

 

[NewGlobalOrder]

That's right, and the USA had no hostile neighbours on Dec. 6, 1941.

That kinda changed the next morning........and that was with the technology and the ability to project power of 70 years ago.....

Let's see.....a short list of hostiles that border us over water......Russia, China, North Korea.

And we are signatories of a number of military treaties that require us to be able to step up to the plate and work with our allies.

You need to rethink.

I'm being very polite to the new guy...

1) Thx for the politeness.

2) Russia and China do not invade other countries. (not taking into account countries in their region of the world) America/Britain/France are the nations that like to invade.

As for North Korea, are you kidding me? Yes, they build missiles that can hit America, but that is about it. North Korea keeps to itself.

Now lets say China invaded Canada. What do you think will happen?

We have a piss ant military force. The boy scouts of America could take us one.

If Canada should have a military force, we are faced with 3 options:

1) Spend $100 billion annually on our military. Which would be just over 1/3rd of our budget. We spend $23 billion currently, (Global National said $20) so an increase of $77-80 billion.

2) Build nuclear weapons. Sure, we signed the NPT, but who cares, right?

3) Secretly develop cold fusion and laser cannon technology, and make them look like satellites, then launch them into space. Sure, it goes against the international agreement not to weaponize space, but it's going to happen anyways, right?

And if an asteroid is going to hit America or Africa, killing 1 million people, we won't use our laser cannon technology to blow it up, because then the world would know, therefore, saving 1 million lives, is against Canada's national interest.

Besides... if China or Russia was to invade, what do you think the US would do?

If it makes you feel any better, I could allow the US Navy & Air Force over Canadian territory.

 

[Ron in Regina]

What do your constituents want, and why?

 

[NewGlobalOrder]

Sooooo...

CERA means
- no national structure for SAR operations, because the municipalities will all be after control of the resources.
- no Coast Guard meaning foreign vessels have no reason to respect Canadian law in our waters
- Canada will withdraw from all its alliances and treaty obligations meaning that countries who were formerly allied to us now have less reason to respect our sovereignty in places like the Arctic and in more extreme cases no reason to fear retribution if an incident should occur leaving us with pretty much the sole recourse of the ineffectiveness and corruption UN.

And that doesn't include the point that Dexter Sinister made earlier...

I do not consider the Coast Guard, the Canadian Navy.

Many countries right now, are trying to make their point why they own the Arctic. The Arctic doesn't belong to any nation, and should be international territory. Nations only want it, for the oil, and we can't risk an oil leak in the Arctic.

No nation fears the Canadian military as is.

As for "transnational organizations" are you speaking of terrorist groups? CSIS has a budget of $300-500 million, if I recall correctly. I want to add $1 billion to their annual budget.