Re: Titanic clash looms over proposed Northern Gateway pipeline
Jan 18th, 2012BTW - Did you ever make it over to google maps and check-out the satellite images of the land North and West of Smithers, BC?... Some pretty interesting stuff MF.

Cabinet can't reverse NEB rejection of Northern Gateway — academics
OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper has provided an unclear portrayal of the federal government's relationship with the independent agency that will rule on the proposed $5.5-billion Northern Gateway pipeline, two academics said Tuesday.
Harper, in an interview Monday with CBC, was asked if the federal government would accept a negative decision by the National Energy Board that is now conducting hearings into the proposed Enbridge megaproject to ship oilsands bitumen by pipeline from Alberta to port in Kitimat, B.C., for export by tanker to Asia.
"Well, obviously, we'll always take a look at the recommendation. We take the recommendations of environmental reviews very seriously," Harper said.
"And this government has in the past changed projects or even stopped projects if reviews were not favourable, or (the government) indicated that changes had to be made. So we'll take a close look at what the conclusions are."
But two academics familiar with the NEB process said Harper has misportrayed the relationship between cabinet and the independent agency. "Harper did not represent the structure of authority in this case correctly," said George Hoberg, a professor at the University of B.C.'s department of forest resources management.
He said the Joint Review Panel that is assessing the project under both the NEB Act and the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act "is the final decision-maker, not the cabinet."
He said the NEB can't give the project the go-ahead by issuing a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity without cabinet approval, which means the government could overrule a positive decision.
"But cabinet can't overrule a 'No' decision without new legislation," Hoberg said.
University of Calgary law professor Nigel Bankes agreed, saying that while negative NEB decisions are "very rare," the outcome represents the "end of the line" unless the government brings in new legislation.
An NEB spokesperson couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday, but in November, Carole Leger-Kubeczek confirmed that cabinet is only involved in approving or disapproving a decision if the NEB recommends the project get the go-ahead.
But she noted in an email that the government, or anyone, could formally ask the board to reconsider its decision.

I have no problem with people just getting what they need to survive, but mowing down everything in sight, screwing up air, water, and land with crap to make a buck is not what I'd call honorable.
And this lame argument about what people use to build their homes with is pathetic. Unless one can figure out how NOT to use ANY resources to build their house with, one has to use stuff like wood, steel, concrete, etc. Wood comes from trees, metals come from the ground mostly, concrete ingredients come from the ground, etc.

Straw is good but you can't build a house with straw only. There is also Cobb housing (mud and straw mixed - free form), Rammed Earth (the original Great Wall f China was built with rammed earth), Elongated sand bags and barbed wire domes, domes and square homes built with mill ends, log homes built with standing dead trees.... etc. Do we really need to live in and heat 1500 - 2000 sq/ft homes? Most homes in Canada would be considered mansions in third world countries. We waste because we have this idea that our resources are endless. They are not.

Resources are not endless and we will need them a lot sooner than we anticipate
We are going to try to supply a world with ten billion people with energy? See how
long that lasts. Once the tap is turned on or we allow the foreign investment in it
will be difficult to control let alone shut it down to protect our own interests.
This idea of get the money, money, money, well that is OK until the supply runs out
then there is no more money to count while we are sitting in the dark. It is time to
think about the future. And I mean the long term future, the Present governments
think the future is next year and it is not.

I used outhouses for the better part of my life but they might be a tad odoriferous in a crowded subdivision.

Read the press release from Apache.
The precedent is already set.

Resources are not endless and we will need them a lot sooner than we anticipate
We are going to try to supply a world with ten billion people with energy? See how
long that lasts. Once the tap is turned on or we allow the foreign investment in it
will be difficult to control let alone shut it down to protect our own interests.
This idea of get the money, money, money, well that is OK until the supply runs out
then there is no more money to count while we are sitting in the dark. It is time to
think about the future. And I mean the long term future, the Present governments
think the future is next year and it is not.

What we're doing right now is short term gain with long-term pain. It's basically the equivalent of giving a crack addict tons of crack.

Northern Gateway endangers environment, energy security: geologist

Yawn.
Another useless article from a disgruntled 'former employee' and ecotard.
Quelle surprise.

A retired petroleum geologist who worked for 32 years is an eco-tard and former disgruntled employee? No need to discuss the issues I guess when you can just ad-hominem instead, and I'll add that we'd have to take you at your word even that he is a disgruntled former employee and an eco-tard.

A retired petroleum geologist who worked for 32 years is an eco-tard and former disgruntled employee? No need to discuss the issues I guess when you can just ad-hominem instead, and I'll add that we'd have to take you at your word even that he is a disgruntled former employee and an eco-tard.

And no need for him to recognize that the petroleum expert correctly identifies that the economy is well supported without the pipeline, and that we're actually sacrificing long term growth with its existence.
The fact remains that the US Federal Regulators initially gave KXL a clean bill of health until the politics suggested that the issue could be a campaign target for Obama... Magically, their stance changed based on that opportunity.

It isn't difficult to shop for an opinion.
The fact remains that the US Federal Regulators initially gave KXL a clean bill of health until the politics suggested that the issue could be a campaign target for Obama... Magically, their stance changed based on that opportunity.

You certainly don't as evidenced by the solitary perspective that you have ever considered on this issue.
Geologists are have knowledge in the area of geology, that is one of the reasons that they operate as geologists and not economists.

You'd just rather assume this is true than back up your silly statements.

Yes, that's a fact. An unrelated fact to the issues Hughes was referring to.

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Therein lies the difference between you and I. I have no problem seeking a balanced view of the project, industry, sector, etc.
Unrelated is it?