Muslim women must show face to become Canadian citizens


DaSleeper
#1
Finaly

Canadian oath of citizenship.....
 
WLDB
No Party Affiliation
#2
Sounds good to me.
 
Niflmir
Free Thinker
#3
Well, the interesting thing to me was when it was pointed out that during the Hajj, the ritual pilgrimage to Mecca, it is actually a requirement that women not be veiled. So in Islam, women need not always be veiled.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
-1
#4
Kenny`s regulation should be extended to beards, mustaches, wigs, hairpieces, hats, yamulkes, scarves, botox enhancements, facial tatoos, girdles, and various implants.
 
Tonington
+2
#5

She looks like she gained some weight since the last time I saw her...
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+3
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post


She looks like she gained some weight since the last time I saw her...


6'3"? She's got the frame to carry it Ton. Sure that wasn't Bin
Laden coming over for some KFC is days gone by?
 
Tonington
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

6'3"? She's got the frame to carry it Ton. Sure that wasn't Bin
Laden coming over for some KFC is days gone by?

Looks like 3-4 inches of material above her head with that covering. Still a tall woman!
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Looks like 3-4 inches of material above her head with that covering. Still a tall woman!


How can you tell? Maybe they should just give a height range
on the Drivers Licence along with a question mark behind the
gender answer.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
+1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

Well, the interesting thing to me was when it was pointed out that during the Hajj, the ritual pilgrimage to Mecca, it is actually a requirement that women not be veiled. So in Islam, women need not always be veiled.

The Veil, Niqab, Burka are all cultural - Not based upon Religion beliefs as in the Koran.

Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Kenny`s regulation should be extended to beards, mustaches, wigs, hairpieces, hats, yamulkes, scarves, botox enhancements, facial tatoos, girdles, and various implants.

Spade the Kippah - is not a religious requirement outside or prayers for most Jews. But that is open to dispute over the past few hundred years.
 
Tonington
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

How can you tell?

I can't, that's not to say the person at the DMV couldn't. But who really knows? That's really the point of this citizenship procedural change after all!
 
Goober
Free Thinker
+2
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

I can't, that's not to say the person at the DMV couldn't. But who really knows? That's really the point of this citizenship procedural change after all!

The Koran specifically speaks to Muslims to follow and adhere to Laws of the country they are in. That includes loyalty to that country as well.
 
Sparrow
+2
#12
It is about time and I think there are other circumstances that would also need attention.
 
petros
+1
#13
 
Spade
Free Thinker
+1
#14

I understand the sentiment of those who support the Jason Kenny’smandate. The equality of women is fundamental to democracy, even to the extentthat this princile conflicts with religion or cultural practice. However, prohibiting the veil furthermarginalizes women who are already treated as less than equals in their owncommunities.

Surely it would be better to grant them citizenship, veil orno veil, so that they would benefit from the protection and nurturing being a Canadianbestows. As other critics of Kenney’smeasure have pointed out, there is no bar to citizenship to the men who arepart of that paternalistic practice.

Besides, there is a whiff of catering to post 9-11 prejudiceand xenophobia. However, I am not impugningthe motives, as long as this were not done now to distract Canadians from the environmentalcriticism arising from our exposure in Durban or from other contentious issues.

Nevertheless, I am certain Minister Kenny, as a member of areligious community who does not grant full equality to women, is well aware ofthe destructive nature of paternalistic practice.
 
TenPenny
+2
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

I understand the sentiment of those who support the Jason Kenny’smandate. The equality of women is fundamental to democracy, even to the extentthat this princile conflicts with religion or cultural practice. However, prohibiting the veil furthermarginalizes women who are already treated as less than equals in their owncommunities.

Surely it would be better to grant them citizenship, veil orno veil, so that they would benefit from the protection and nurturing being a Canadianbestows. As other critics of Kenney’smeasure have pointed out, there is no bar to citizenship to the men who arepart of that paternalistic practice.



Perhaps you're right; we could give citizenship to any muslim woman who wears a veil, but deport or execute her husband.
 
dumpthemonarchy
Free Thinker
#16
Yes finally. And they will have to clearly recite the oath so people can tell they are speaking English or French. This is good as it reduces the number of convenient Canadians. Immigrants have to accomodate Canada too, it is not all a one way street for Canada to do everything to please the newcomers. Some Canadians are so lazy here, they are like the marketers who always trying to get to "yes": Poisonous multiculturalism.
 
Mowich
Conservative
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

I understand the sentiment of those who support the Jason Kenny’smandate. The equality of women is fundamental to democracy, even to the extentthat this princile conflicts with religion or cultural practice. However, prohibiting the veil furthermarginalizes women who are already treated as less than equals in their owncommunities.



This bill has nothing to do with the equality or inequality of women - it concerns one's identity when applying for citizenship.

Quote:

Surely it would be better to grant them citizenship, veil orno veil, so that they would benefit from the protection and nurturing being a Canadianbestows.


In what way do you believe 'it would be better'? Better for who? The four women of the Shafia family certainly didn't 'benefit from the protection and nurturing being a Canadian bestows' and we always knew what they looked like.

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As other critics of Kenney’smeasure have pointed out, there is no bar to citizenship to the men who arepart of that paternalistic practice.

We KNOW what the men look like.



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Besides, there is a whiff of catering to post 9-11 prejudiceand xenophobia.

Whoa Nelly.........I smell something here but it most certainly has nothing to do with 9/11 or xenophobia.

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Nevertheless, I am certain Minister Kenny, as a member of areligious community who does not grant full equality to women, is well aware ofthe destructive nature of paternalistic practice.

Uh, what would that 'religious community' be again????

This new law is simply stating that if you wish to become a citizen of our country, we need to know who you are and that starts with knowing what the heck you look like. As has been pointed out, the wearing of the veil is a matter of choice not a dictate of the Koran. That some women are not free to unveil due to the dictate of their husbands is not the business of our government, nor should it be.










 
gore0bsessed
#18
OTTAWA—Muslim women who wear the niqab and other face-covering garments will now have to lift or remove their veils while they take the oath of Canadian citizenship in front of a room full of people.

Canada News: Muslim women must show face to become Canadian citizens - thestar.com
 
DaSleeper
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

OTTAWA—Muslim women who wear the niqab and other face-covering garments will now have to lift or remove their veils while they take the oath of Canadian citizenship in front of a room full of people.

Canada News: Muslim women must show face to become Canadian citizens - thestar.com

Yer four days late
 
CDNBear
+6
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Good news.

And reasonable accommodation.
 
Durry
+1 / -2
#21
Why we accept these problem people into our country is beyond me!!!
We have enough of our own problems to deal with, why do we immigrate more problems.
They don't like us, they don't accept our culture, they don't want to integrate/assimilate etc etc !!! And yet we still allow them in. We spend more money dealing with Muslims than any other ethnic group, be it because they get into trouble when they go back to their country or because of all their special requests to accommodate them.
 
CDNBear
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

Why we accept these problem people into our country is beyond me!!!

Like so many things.
 
petros
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

they don't want to integrate/assimilate etc etc !!! .

We are The Borg - YouTube

 
gore0bsessed
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Good news.

And reasonable accommodation.

you realize though, it's a violation of freedom of religion?
 
DaSleeper
+5
#25
Covering their faces is a custom ....not a religious thing....
 
CDNBear
+4
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

you realize though, it's a violation of freedom of religion?

No it isn't. It's a cultural affectation.

I fully support their right to wear it in their day to day life.

But there will be times when their identity must be confirmed.

Allowing them to wear it day to day, but simply remove it for the purposes of identification, is reasonable accommodation of a cultural tradition, and not a violation of freedom of religion, or freedom of expression.
 
gore0bsessed
-1
#27
oh it's most certainly religious and this law violates those freedoms like i said.. yeah they should have to reveal themselves for identification purposes if need be, like they would in muslim countries i'm sure.
 
CDNBear
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

oh it's most certainly religious and this law violates those freedoms like i said..

Just out of curiousity, can you point out the verse in the Quran where it states a woman has to be wrapped up like a burrito?

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yeah they should have to reveal themselves for identification purposes if need be

Well there's no problem then.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
gore0bsessed
#29
i couldn't tell you where it states that because i'm not a muslim and haven't read the quran.. but if you were to ask a muslim woman why they wear the hijab they would tell you that it states in the quran that god says to do this.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

i couldn't tell you where it states that because i'm not a muslim and haven't read the quran.. but if you were to ask a muslim woman why they wear the hijab they would tell you that it states in the quran that god says to do this.

Can you post a link or are you just blowing smoke from your south end...?
 

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