Canada says F-35s cost $14 B; Norway says they cost $40 B


mentalfloss
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Why is Norway Estimating $40 Billion for 52 F-35s While Canada Says 65 F-35s Cost Around $14 Billion?

The latest questions in the House of Commons on DND’s F35 purchase are focusing on the differences of costs between Norway’s purchase and Canada’s acquisition of the Joint Strike Fighter.

Norway has put the total cost at around $40 billion for 52 aircraft.

So the question has arisen in the Commons about why is Canada spending $14.7 billion (DND’s estimate for total F35 procurement and 20 years of maintenance) and Norway is spending much more.

“Norway has acknowledged that the true cost of their 52 F-35s will be $40 billion or more,” NDP procurement critic Matthew Kellway said Monday.

He repeated the party’s call to put the next generation fighter project out for open bidding.

The Conservative government won’t be doing that of course. Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino did not answer the question about the discrepancy in the cost that Norway is paying versus what Canada will pay.

He instead repeated some of his familiar comments. “Our government’s preference is to put our trust in our pilots and materiel experts who know the importance of the F-35 program that is producing Twenty First Century fighter jets our military needs while at the same time sustaining quality aerospace jobs across Canada,” Fantino responded.

But the question remains – why the cost difference?

Norway’s F-35s will be using similar communications software for use over Arctic areas. It is also one of the countries, besides Canada, that is looking at the installation of a drag chute. Both nations are buying the same model of the plane.

Why is Norway Estimating $40 Billion for 52 F-35s While Canada Says 65 F-35s Cost Around $14 Billion? | Ottawa Citizen (external - login to view)
 
MHz
#2
Spare parts they must have in stock to keep it flying under war-time conditions.
 
mentalfloss
+2 / -1
#3
I was listening to question period and Fantino comes off as a complete shill.

Where the hell is our transparency on these goddamn planes???
 
relic
Free Thinker
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#4  Top Rated Post
Transparency ? In the harper government ? bwhaaaaahahaha...
 
MHz
+1
#5
Don't you mean 'current Government of Canada'?
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+1
#6
What's the exchange rate between the Canadian and
Norwegian dollars? Is a CDN$1.00 worth $2.85 in
Norwegian currency?
 
mentalfloss
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

What's the exchange rate between the Canadian and
Norwegian dollars? Is a CDN$1.00 worth $2.85 in
Norwegian currency?



It's in U.S. dollars, but Norwegian minister of defence says the whole project will cost 145 billion kroner including operation over a 30-year period.

F-35s spark potential military reductions / News / The Foreigner — Norwegian News in English. (external - login to view)
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#8
1.00 CAD =5.67960 NOK


so...0.77 Billion per plane in NOK$ / 5.67960(conversion) = 0.136CDN$
&....0.21 Billion per plane in CDN$

The Norweigians are paying less per plane than the Canadians. About 34%
less....hmmm.
 
mentalfloss
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

1.00 CAD =5.67960 NOK


so...0.77 Billion per plane in NOK$ / 5.67960(conversion) = 0.136CDN$
&....0.21 Billion per plane in CDN$

The Norweigians are paying less per plane than the Canadians. About 34%
less....hmmm.



I just realized the norwegian article I posted is from June.

Whatever the exchange rate is, it's at least $40 billion USD.
 
Walter
+1 / -2
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post


I just realized the norwegian article I posted is from June.

Whatever the exchange rate is, it's at least $40 billion USD.
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Just trolling?
 
DaSleeper
+3
#11
Percentage wise the cost overrun is a lot less than the one for the gun registry which was ? times the original cost.
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
+2 / -1
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Don't you mean 'current Government of Canada'?

You mean the "current government of Harperda"

Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

You mean the "current government of Harperda"

Oh Boo-Hoo Walter. Don't get your knickers in a knot cause I don't like the arrogant bastard!
 
CDNBear
#13
Perhaps Canada's participation in the development and tech supply, got a discount.

Maybe it's like all things transported, more expensive the further it gets from the source.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I was listening to question period and Fantino comes off as a complete shill.

Really? That's all he comes across as?
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
+1
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Perhaps Canada's participation in the development and tech supply, got a discount.

Maybe it's like all things transported, more expensive the further it gets from the source.

Really? That's all he comes across as?

$26 billion in shipping costs? What are they doing, fed-exing 1 piece at a time?
 
Walter
+1 / -1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Oh Boo-Hoo Walter. Don't get your knickers in a knot cause I don't like the arrogant bastard!

I thought you liked him since you named the country after him; my mistake.
 
CDNBear
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

$26 billion in shipping costs? What are they doing, fed-exing 1 piece at a time?

Have you ever shipped a plane?

Not that I have, but I'm sure it isn't cheap. Combine that with the fact that Canada is a contributing partner in the venture. I can see why they may be cheaper for Canada.
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
+2
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Have you ever shipped a plane?

Not that I have, but I'm sure it isn't cheap. Combine that with the fact that Canada is a contributing partner in the venture. I can see why they may be cheaper for Canada.

You don't think it would be cheaper and easier to, say, FLY them over after construction?
 
CDNBear
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

You don't think it would be cheaper and easier to, say, FLY them over after construction?

I don't know. Is it?

Is it cheaper to transport them to Norway than Canada?
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I don't know. Is it?

Is it cheaper to transport them to Norway than Canada?

I'm just surmising using good judgement and common sense. I suppose I could be wrong.

I imagine it would be cheaper to ship to Canada than Norway but who knows what trade tarriffs are in place that could affect the total cost. LOL
 
CDNBear
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I imagine it would be cheaper to ship to Canada than Norway but who knows what trade tarriffs are in place that could affect the total cost. LOL

Now you're starting to use good sense and judgment.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Just trolling?

Are you gonna neg rep me for asking for a receipt?

Or does transparency only apply to CBC in your world?
 
Goober
Free Thinker
+1
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I was listening to question period and Fantino comes off as a complete shill.

Where the hell is our transparency on these goddamn planes???

Fantino - Was a shill as a Police Officer and had a ffn mean streak down his back a mile wide. Not a man to cross as he ruined many a career. He is a piece of Crapola.
 
Nuggler
+3
#23
Youse guys'll be singing a different tune when Nassau declares war on us, and we bomb the shlit outa them in our bright spankin new F35 thingys. Strafe them even.

Fantino is a nasty piece of work. as in dirty nasty.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
+3
#24
Norway is buying the planes with engines. Seriously though remember when
we got the good deal on those subs from Britain, they still don't work. The only
good sub we have is in the Edmonton Mall. Canada never gets a good deal we
get a cheap deal and our military pays the price. Norway buys what is needed
and it costs more to buy the right stuff in the first place.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+1 / -1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

You mean the "current government of Harperda"


Oh Boo-Hoo Walter. Don't get your knickers in a knot cause I don't like the arrogant bastard!

It is not bastards fault Harper is emperor. er ah I mean PM
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Why is Norway Estimating $40 Billion for 52 F-35s While Canada Says 65 F-35s Cost Around $14 Billion?....


OK....Norway's extimating $40 Billion what? USD$? CDN$? Euro's? Their
own currency? Are we comparing apples to apples, or apples to banana's???

I'm not see'ing that answer in the LINK in the O.P.
 
petros
+2
#27
USD is always used when comparing international contracts.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

USD is always used when comparing international contracts.

Thank You!
 
petros
#29
You're Welcome!
 
Kreskin
#30
Shipping and handling.
 

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