F-35 program could be on chopping block

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F-35 program could be on chopping block

Canada's plans to replenish its aging air force with a new generation of high-tech fighter jets could be affected by U.S. budget cuts.

U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta warned Congress this week that the U.S. military is looking at some ugly choices if lawmakers cannot come to an agreement on how to cut US$1.2 trillion from the deficit.

Should Congress fail to make progress on the deficit by Nov. 23, Panetta said the military will be legally obligated to slash $500 billion from its operations over a 10-year period, in addition to $450 billion in cuts that are already underway.

Panetta wrote a letter to two members of the Senate Armed Service Committee outlining what some of those cuts would be.

"Facing such large reductions, we would have to reduce the size of the military sharply," Panetta said in the letter sent to Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham on November 14.

"Rough estimates suggest after ten years of these cuts, we would have the smallest ground force since 1940, the smallest number of ships since 1915, and the smallest Air Force in its history. We would also be forced to terminate most large procurement programs in order to accommodate modernization reductions that are likely to be required."

In his letter, Panetta said the Department of Defence could decide to "terminate" its Joint Strike Fighter program.

His letter does not say how likely it is that the U.S. military would actually kill the Joint Strike Fighter. But he said that doing so could save Washington an estimated $80 billion.

Canada has made plans to spend billions on an F-35 fleet of its own, which will be built by the U.S.-based Lockheed Martin.

But if Washington pulls the plug on its own F-35 plans, it is unclear what will happen to the development timeline for the planes that Canada wants to replace its aging fleet of CF-18 Hornets.
 

#juan

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Canada bought the wrong airplane. The Stealth Eagle was the right one. More range, Faster, etc., and they could have been bought almost off the shelf. The F-35 is a pig in a polk whos cost is not known even at this late date. The Eagle is arguably the best fighter
out there right now at half the price of the F-35.
 

Bar Sinister

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Interesting. Wasn't the Harper government warned about the problems involving the F-35 before it committed to buying the plane? So much for the careful study the government claims it made in regard to Canada's defence needs.
 

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New F-35 jets will miss air force deadline

The air force will have less than half its fleet of new F-35 fighter jets in place when it comes time to retire the aging CF-18s, and will only receive one stealth jet in the first year of the program, government estimates reveal.

The delivery of all 65 jets is being spread out between 2016 and 2023, with most of the radar-evading aircraft arriving after 2019, according to internal Defence Department figures. The current fleet of 77 CF-18s is due to be retired by 2020. Most of the air force planning over the last decade was focused on getting replacements on the tarmac at least one or two years ahead of that deadline.

According to access-to-information records, Canada is expected to buy 13 F-35s between 2016 and 2019. A further 52 will follow between 2020 and 2023.

The highly advanced, multi-role fighter has been beset with development delays and huge cost overruns. Critics in both the U.S. and Canada have grown alarmed and questioned the program's affordability, especially in the light of each country's huge budget deficits. The eye-popping pricetag for individual joint strike fighters — ranging from $75 million to $150 million — has limited Canada's purchase to 65 aircraft, according to previously released internal Defence Department documents.

Opposition grills Fantino

The threat by Panetta to scrap the F-35 dominated question period in the House of Commons Tuesday, with both opposition parties demanding to know what the Conservatives intend to do in the face of a potential cancellation.

"The U.S. secretary of defence gets it. The U.S. Navy gets it. The Australians get it," said Liberal defence critic John McKay. "When this program is cancelled, what is Plan B?"

The first customer in line to receive full production aircraft is the United States. There are already test versions of the F-35 in service.

Australia and Italy are the next first two customers and are expected to receive their training planes in 2014.

Britain, Turkey and Israel are slated to get the next round in 2015.

New F-35 jets will miss air force deadline
 

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How much does Canada have invested in this project and what would be our losses if we pull out of the deal? Looks like we are getting a royal shafting if we continue.
 

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Fantino is possibly the worst politician I've ever come across. How anyone can hire a tool like him, I'll never understand.
 

#juan

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How much does Canada have invested in this project and what would be our losses if we pull out of the deal? Looks like we are getting a royal shafting if we continue.

The last I read was that Canada had invested about a hundred and fifty million in the F-35 in the developement stage. Right now
that would almost buy one aircraft. Early on we were offered the Stealth Eagle, which is a faster aircraft, with a longer range and it could use the same weapons as the F-35. The Stealth Eagle is also about half the cost of the F-35.
 

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Harper still wants to please Cheney and Bush. It'll die. Even Sen John McCain has dissed it.

What is it with our country and our propensity for buying things that either don't work or are the wrong choice at the outset.

Everything we purchase from submarines to helicopters ends up biting us on the hiney! You'd think they'd have learned something from previous fiascos.

Hate to say it; but the only things that seem to come in without having to basicly rebuild from the ground up are our ships we design and build ourselves.

Hopefully this boondoggle aircraft will get so delayed it will allow us to cancel without penalty then we can shop for another, better suited to Canada's northern role requirements.
 

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Of all the things the U.S. will cut, the F-35 program will not be one of them. Panetta threw this out as a negotiating ploy, knowing that a cutback of critical new 21st century technology would be unacceptable to the Defense conscious Republicans and their constituents. He wants them to put some of their other sacred cows on the block, specifically the porkbarrel Defense projects that boost local business, but do little for the Defense of the country.
 

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It all comes down to politics. The planes first, we did buy the wrong planes true,
and they may never be built true. We find the government did not do it job in
securing the material needed. The US is not treading closer to being bankrupt
just yet, but the fate of the Tea Party and its Republican friends is getting close.
The political right tried its best to derail Obama, they made issues of the budget
and all the departments that surrounded it. The American people were held
hostage by this huge special interest group, all for the sake of politics.
Obama is not a stupid man, he agreed to the super committee dominated by the
fools who set the trap. Now they will be caught in it. Obama will be able to say
and rightly so, there was no agreement because the obstructionists demands
were backed up by their political victories. These people obstructed the special
committee therefore there is no agreement and they set the tone for the
financial destruction that is about to effect you personally. Everything from the
Education Department to the Military will be gutted to ensure the Tea Party dream.
If something goes wrong and the military is needed and sacrifices are needed to
rebuild the military quickly, the Republicans will be blamed.
Our planes are not even on the radar of political maneuvers as it were. The
Republicans may pay a very heavy price for all of this.
In Canada we know the present government is directed by ideology not anything
close to common sense. This happened in America under Reagan and now they
are paying for it and we will end up paying down the road as well.
 

mentalfloss

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Speaking of yeast infections, when are we going to scrap this total waste of a program?