Baird and Clement on defensive re: G8 Transparency

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Tories reject suggestion they misled Parliament on G20 spending



The Conservative government says it “fully accepts” the Auditor General’s findings that greater transparency was needed surrounding the $50 million G8 Legacy fund, but rejects the suggestion that it deliberately misled Parliament to secure the cash.


Now-retired Auditor General Sheila Fraser, in her final report to Parliament tabled Thursday morning, concluded that the Conservatives skirted spending policies and did not clearly identify the nature of funding approvals sought for G8 infrastructure projects.

“The Auditor General does suggest administrative deficiencies surrounding the intake of these projects,” said Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird Thursday, flanked by Treasury Board President Tony Clement, at an Ottawa news conference.

Baird was Infrastructure Minister at the time of the G8 summit and approved the 32 infrastructure projects in Clement’s riding of Parry Sound-Muskoka, where the G8 summit took place in June 2010.

“The Auditor General would also like to see an improvement in the information and estimates Parliament received to ensure greater clarity and transparency. We fully accept those recommendations and will be taking steps to ensure that the process going forward will be more robust across government,” Baird said.

But he rejected any suggestion by the Auditor General and journalists that the government misled Parliament over the true nature of the projects in order to ensure their expediency.

“We announced all these projects publicly. They were all on the departmental website. We certainly had no motive on the transparency side. I think the Auditor General said she found no evidence of deliberate attempt in this regard,” Baird said.

Clement, who was Industry Minister at the time of the summit, told reporters that the current process used to present funding proposals to Parliament has been on the books for close to 100 years, “but I also agree that it is perfectly reasonable to look at updating this process for the 21st Century.”

“As a government that is committed to openness and transparency, we want to ensure that Parliamentarians receive the information that they need,” Clement said, noting he has directed Treasury Board secretariat officials to look at how this “anachronistic process” can be improved.

Interim Auditor General John Wiersema characterized the process by which the funding was attained as “very unusual and troubling” at his own press conference Thursday. He noted that no paper trail was evident in the selection of the projects and that the government broke several policies on spending.

When asked why there was no paper trail, Clement described a process in which he met with six Muskoka-area mayors in the lead-up to the summit and asked them to come up with a list of projects that met government terms and conditions and which would also be the “most appropriate and the highest priority” for each community.

“They came back with 32 projects. I forwarded them on to the (Infrastructure) minister and said, ‘Look, this is what my mayors came up with. You get final say, but of course, I support my mayors,’” Clement explained.

Tories reject suggestion they misled Parliament on G20 spending - thestar.com
 

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That Baird name.. it just keeps popping up in the most delightful pieces!
 

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Come on give the Tories some credit they budgetted 1.1B for the G8/20 the cost only came to 664M. There's 500M savings good for you Mr. Harper.
What can you say about Tony Clement, 50M of 83M budgetted for border security to Muskoka/Parry Sound. I do hope the local air fields and the port of Parry Sound are filled with up to date security goodies because a new Huntsville arena just doesn't cut it. Adscam 100m for a province the Clement follies 50M for two counties. When the Tories screw up they screw up big!
 

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Come on give the Tories some credit they budgetted 1.1B for the G8/20 the cost only came to 664M. There's 500M savings good for you Mr. Harper.
What can you say about Tony Clement, 50M of 83M budgetted for border security to Muskoka/Parry Sound. I do hope the local air fields and the port of Parry Sound are filled with up to date security goodies because a new Huntsville arena just doesn't cut it. Adscam 100m for a province the Clement follies 50M for two counties. When the Tories screw up they screw up big!

See, that's where the Liberals went wrong with Adscam. If they'd made it come in under budget, nobody would mind the corruption.
 

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See, that's where the Liberals went wrong with Adscam. If they'd made it come in under budget, nobody would mind the corruption.

There is a HUGE difference.....

The Conservatives spent the money in targeted ridings, misleading Parliament, and wasting cash. A disgrace, and simply unacceptable.

But every penny went into the riding projects.

The Liberals stole tens of millions, for the Liberal Party and for Liberal cronies and mobsters.
fraud, racketering, and theft are somewhat more serious than pork-barreling. In fact, they are crimes....the Tories did nothing criminal.
 

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There is a HUGE difference.....

The Conservatives spent the money in targeted ridings, misleading Parliament, and wasting cash. A disgrace, and simply unacceptable.

But every penny went into the riding projects.

The Liberals stole tens of millions, for the Liberal Party and for Liberal cronies and mobsters.
fraud, racketering, and theft are somewhat more serious than pork-barreling. In fact, they are crimes....the Tories did nothing criminal.

That's pretty cool. It's okay to steal if you route the money through your friends to build stuff that isn't needed, but it's not okay to steal if you route the money through your friends who are consultants, advisors, or advertising people.
 

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That's pretty cool. It's okay to steal if you route the money through your friends to build stuff that isn't needed, but it's not okay to steal if you route the money through your friends who are consultants, advisors, or advertising people.

Yeah....I know what you are saying...

But one is criminal, the other is not.

Much of the money in Adscam can not be accounted for, it was simply stolen. Much of what CAN be accounted for went to Liberal businessmen.....and bought NOTHING.

The buildings etc bought in Mr. Clement's riding are THERE......and they got good value for the money.

That is the difference between political patronage (an ancient, if dishonorable, Canadian tradition) and criminal activity.
 

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There is a HUGE difference.....

The Conservatives spent the money in targeted ridings, misleading Parliament, and wasting cash. A disgrace, and simply unacceptable.

But every penny went into the riding projects.

The Liberals stole tens of millions, for the Liberal Party and for Liberal cronies and mobsters.
fraud, racketering, and theft are somewhat more serious than pork-barreling. In fact, they are crimes....the Tories did nothing criminal.
I don't know about that.... a hundred thousand dollar gazebo in Parry Sound (quite some distance from Huntsville) disguised as a security measure for G8 isn't fraud? Does that also work for entrepreneurs who siphon off grant money for another of their enterprises?
 

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Some people were paid as 'consultants' and 'advisors' by the Liberals.
Some people were paid to build gazebos, toilets, and sidewalks by the Conservatives.

Same difference, in the end. Money was siphoned off and given to friends of the party, under the guise of something else.

To try to justify the difference between a Conservative contractor building a gazebo, and a Liberal consultant writing a report, is silly.
 

Colpy

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Some people were paid as 'consultants' and 'advisors' by the Liberals.
Some people were paid to build gazebos, toilets, and sidewalks by the Conservatives.

Same difference, in the end. Money was siphoned off and given to friends of the party, under the guise of something else.

To try to justify the difference between a Conservative contractor building a gazebo, and a Liberal consultant writing a report, is silly.

You're still missing the point....tens of millions in Adscam went MISSING........to be passed in paper bags under tables to guys so disreputable that the President of the Quebec Liberal Party feared for his life if he testified at Gomery.

The "advisors" and "consultants" did NOTHING.

The Tories bought gazebos etc, and they got good value.

I am NOT saying the Tories did nothing wrong, but they broke no laws, threatened no one, and stole no money.

HUGE difference from Adscam.
 

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Are they putting a full body scanner on the Bunny Trail?

****ing terrorist bunnies trying to sneak an ass full of Aghani Junk into Canada?
 

TenPenny

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You're still missing the point....tens of millions in Adscam went MISSING........to be passed in paper bags under tables to guys so disreputable that the President of the Quebec Liberal Party feared for his life if he testified at Gomery.

The "advisors" and "consultants" did NOTHING.

The Tories bought gazebos etc, and they got good value.

I am NOT saying the Tories did nothing wrong, but they broke no laws, threatened no one, and stole no money.

HUGE difference from Adscam.

Your HUGE difference is: a gazebo vs a report.

That's the difference.