They didn't brutalize our citizens or hijack our govt so its not our business.
It's a good thing the West didn't have that attitude during WWII, because we'd be speaking German right now. You can't stick your head in the sand and ignore the problems of the world, otherwise they'll end up at your doorstep.
If you say so, I think they are fighting an foreign invasion force and illegal occupation of a sovereign nation.
You're giving illegitimate governments far too much credit. You do realize that countless people are thankful that the Taliban and Saddam have lost their grip right? Put yourself in their shoes.
Then you don't have the right to defend yours.
Of course I do, because I'm a freedom lover who can tell the difference between right and wrong. The Taliban and Mujahideen are radical Islamic terrorists who are against freedom and harm innocent men, women and children. That makes them illegitimate governors of anything, a country, region, home, or a chicken coop.
Happens more than you think in many countries around the world, they were however the recognized govt of the country.
And what did the Taliban do with their
responsibility of seeing over the Afghan people? They enforced the strictest interpretations of Sharia law ever seen! This amounted to terrorizing their own people!
Many world leaders and governments aren't elected. Did you vote for the queen?
That's completely different and not much of an argument. The Queen didn't kill anybody like the Taliban did.
As long as it isn't Canada its not our business and I don't care.
Well, not everyone shares your apathy. You remain quiet, and the rest of us will protect freedom and the country!
You do realize that your rights and freedoms can be controlled in a democracy, in Canada it doesn't even take more than 39% of the vote, how democratic is that when a minority can control the majority.
Another weak argument. Were the 61% of voters who didn't vote for the conservatives UNITED on who should run the country? No, they weren't - they were DIVIDED. The other 39% of us WERE UNITED, and that made us the MAJORITY. The NDP voters made up 30% of the popular vote - MINORITY. The Liberal voters made up 19% of the popular vote - MINORITY. The Green party made up 4% of the popular vote - MINORITY. The Cons got the largest number in the popular vote with 39% - MAJORITY.
And where do you get the idea that democracy is some kind of god-given right?
Freedom is a God given right and democracy is one of the best ideals for ensuring it. I got that "idea" when I understood the characteristics of God. You may not believe in him, but how can you justify your rights if you can't appeal that their source is from the highest authority? If you can't claim that your right to freedom of speech is absolute, in other words it's just your mere opinion that you have the right to freedom of speech, what kind of justification is that?
Opinions don't matter and you actually would justify the argument that someone would be right in
denying your freedom of speech - because you admittedly don't have one - just a worthless opinion.
That's why one of the greatest documents ever written, the declaration of Independence, lays it out so beautifully: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
They think you are absolutely morally wrong, bit of a conundrum there don't you think.
It's a conundrum for YOU! You drank the kool aid of moral relativism! That's why you don't recognize the absolute God-given rights bestowed on you, that's why you don't see that it DOESN'T MATTER if the radical muslims think that the West or myself is absolutely morally wrong! Their ACTIONS, like killing innocent people in name of Allah to further their death-ideology, PROVES they are the absolutely morally wrong ones because they're VIOLATING the absolute moral law - which says that killing innocent humans is wrong. We're right, they're wrong. No conundrum here!
Do you want to stomp in and kill everyone who disagrees with your morality??? I would question your morality in thinking that it is right to kill people that don't agree with your morals and views!
Nothing would please me more than to have the ability to peacefully spread the idea of freedom and the good news of Jesus Christ in the middle east. The problem is that there is a considerable presence of people who would shoot me on the spot. Its unfortunate, but the best way of supplying the average oppressed middle eastern citizen with their God given freedoms and protecting ours, is too kill the leaders who deny freedom, won't negotiate, and only wish to be martyred, and spread the ideals of freedom to the average citizen.
Not if they stay at home.
Freedom needs to be defended. The troops admirably are willing to go, that's why they're soldiers. God bless 'em.
That's the democracy thing you are babbling about. Or is it only democracy if it agrees with you? You may not like to hear it but it is part of democracy to dissent, and most Canadians don't want our troops there so your minority opinion is really the dissenting voice.
Criticize the war and its objectives as much as you like. Just know that some of the tactics are getting old, like the old game of trying to put us on the same level as our enemies. "America is the terrorist" and all that nonsense. The truth is that we're the honourable freedom-loving good guys and they're the scumbag freedom-denying terrorists.
I do enjoy my freedom, especially my freedom to criticize the govt for sending troops to a foreign land to invade when its wrong. If my freedom in Canada is threatened then I might even join up again to defend it, on our soil.
And when exactly is the threat going to be big enough for you? Their very ideology is a threat, and the more it spreads the more violence it ensues.
Invading their lands and killing them sure promotes peace and encourages people not to join the radicals.
The influence of radical Islam would spread regardless. They hate Israel and the American funding she receives. This alone fuels their Jihad blood lust.
Having drones drop bombs on unsuspecting villages killing civilians is just? There is plenty of injustice done by the western troops including our own.
First, we don't TARGET innocent people, we target the militants. Second, how much injustice is done by the west in comparison to violent Islam? Probably the vast majority of what you call "injustice" by the west is only due to your belief in relativism. The forces of good are not perfect, but honourable.
Nobody has clean hands in this world, especially someone who promotes 'stomping in there and killing them' because they have a different viewpoint.
Their viewpoint is illegitimate because they kill and oppress. We have good reason to stomp in there and kill them. How can you argue with freeing oppressed people?
Evil Islam? My neighbor is a Muslim and he watches my house and mows my lawn while I am away, even has a key. We share BBQs and family dinners, I am attending his daughter's wedding in July. Hell I like Tariq better than a lot of white folk around here. I think you should maybe have a little time-out and calm down before you go forward with the good/evil arguments.
Did I say your neighbor was evil? No, just his religion and ironically the true followers of Islam due to the fact that Islam is violent. Your neighbor sounds like he's not a true follower.
I support bringing them home and out of danger yesterday!!!
Patience! There's bad guys to kill!
