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"We have a huge and abundant landmass amidst a world of congested countries. We are safe, secure and stable. Because of our aboriginal history, their countless nations and their challenge to survive, because of our French and English past of different languages, cultures, religions and laws, because we have people inside our borders today from almost everywhere – we are a country that is learning to live with difference, accept difference, learn from difference, when in the rest of the world difference often, instinctively, still means guns and blood." (See: Ken Dryden).


John Ralston Saul says we are 'A Fair Country'. Saul argues that the famous “peace, order, and good government” that supposedly defines Canada is a distortion of the country’s true nature. Every single document before the BNA Act, he points out, used the phrase “peace, welfare, and good government,” demonstrating that the well-being of its citizenry was paramount.

He also argues that Canada is a Métis nation, heavily influenced and shaped by aboriginal ideas: egalitarianism, a proper balance between individual and group, and a penchant for negotiation over violence are all aboriginal values that Canada absorbed. Another obstacle to progress, Saul argues, is that Canada has an increasingly ineffective elite, a colonial non-intellectual business elite that doesn’t believe in Canada. It is critical that we recognize these aspects of the country in order to rethink its future.

Adrienne Clarkson ,herself an immigrant from China, is a former Governor General & is married to John Ralston Saul. The Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson was the 26th person to hold this office. The energy, enthusiasm and knowledge of Canada she brought to Canadians in her six years in Ottawa have left an indelible mark in our nation's history.
 

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"We have a huge and abundant landmass amidst a world of congested countries. We are safe, secure and stable. Because of our aboriginal history, their countless nations and their challenge to survive, because of our French and English past of different languages, cultures, religions and laws, because we have people inside our borders today from almost everywhere – we are a country that is learning to live with difference, accept difference, learn from difference, when in the rest of the world difference often, instinctively, still means guns and blood." (See: Ken Dryden).


John Ralston Saul says we are 'A Fair Country'. Saul argues that the famous “peace, order, and good government” that supposedly defines Canada is a distortion of the country’s true nature. Every single document before the BNA Act, he points out, used the phrase “peace, welfare, and good government,” demonstrating that the well-being of its citizenry was paramount.

He also argues that Canada is a Métis nation, heavily influenced and shaped by aboriginal ideas: egalitarianism, a proper balance between individual and group, and a penchant for negotiation over violence are all aboriginal values that Canada absorbed. Another obstacle to progress, Saul argues, is that Canada has an increasingly ineffective elite, a colonial non-intellectual business elite that doesn’t believe in Canada. It is critical that we recognize these aspects of the country in order to rethink its future.

Adrienne Clarkson ,herself an immigrant from China, is a former Governor General & is married to John Ralston Saul. The Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson was the 26th person to hold this office. The energy, enthusiasm and knowledge of Canada she brought to Canadians in her six years in Ottawa have left an indelible mark in our nation's history.

What complete drivel!

Want the truth and the best analysis of the entire situation in six words???

"Democracy, immigration, multiculturalism. Pick any two."

James C. Bennett


I suggest you read Mark Steyn's book America Alone to start.
 

Colpy

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Check this out!

Multiculturalism, my furry arse!

In its "About Islam" section Masjid Ibrahim preaches that apostates may be either beaten or killed in answer to Question no. Q36.

What is the Islamic judgment of a Muslim who does not observe daily prayers or the one who neglects some prayers?

"As far the worldly verdict that should be established by the leader of Muslims against the abandoner of prayer due to laziness, jurists have three different opinions:

1- That he is out of the fold of Islam and should be killed due to apostasy.

2- That he does not leave Islam, but he should be killed according to the prescribed punishment if he does not repent and refuses to pray like the killer of an innocent victim.

3- He does not leave Islam, nor should be killed, but should be punished by beating and imprisonment until he prays.

Canadian politicians are attending this guy's Mosque!



Blazing Cat Fur: The New Normal In Canada: Politicians Attend Mosque That Condones Death To Apostates, Beating Your Wife
 

gopher

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Just say NO to multiculturalism:

 

Machjo

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Colpy, that is not a direct quote from the Qur'an or Ahadith (the only authoritative pronouncements on Islam). So let me help you out:


O men! verily, we have created you of a male and a female; and we have
divided you into peoples and tribes that ye might have knowledge one of
another. Truly, the most worthy of honour in the sight of God is he who
feareth Him most. Verily, God is Knowing, Cognisant.

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 49 - The Apartments)


Let there be no compulsion in religion.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 2)

So clearly the jurists are wrong. Unless you're now saying that they have more authority than the Qur'an and Ahadith in making such pronouncements?

Verily, they who believe (Muslims), and they who follow the Jewish
religion, and the Christians, and the Sabeites - whoever of these believeth in
God and the last day, and doeth that which is right, shall have their reward
with their Lord: fear shall not come upon them, neither shall they be grieved.

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 2 - The Cow)
 

Colpy

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Colpy, that is not a direct quote from the Qur'an or Ahadith (the only authoritative pronouncements on Islam). So let me help you out:


O men! verily, we have created you of a male and a female; and we have
divided you into peoples and tribes that ye might have knowledge one of
another. Truly, the most worthy of honour in the sight of God is he who
feareth Him most. Verily, God is Knowing, Cognisant.

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 49 - The Apartments)


Let there be no compulsion in religion.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 2)

So clearly the jurists are wrong. Unless you're now saying that they have more authority than the Qur'an and Ahadith in making such pronouncements?


The point is that this guy preaches this crap, and politicians are kissing his ass.

BTW, the Koran is extremely contradictory......very lovey-dovey and tolerant in the beginning, when the pedophile Mohammed is trying to gain converts......unfortunately, that is secondary to the later parts of the Koran, when Mohammed is conquering the Arab Peninsula by the sword (adding war monger to his CV) and suddenly his idea is to put everyone to death.

Exactly the opposite in the Christian religion, where the vengeful God is softens, and sacrifices Christ in an act of love.

Which is the Religion of Peace????
 

Machjo

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The point is that this guy preaches this crap, and politicians are kissing his ass.

BTW, the Koran is extremely contradictory......very lovey-dovey and tolerant in the beginning, when the pedophile Mohammed is trying to gain converts......unfortunately, that is secondary to the later parts of the Koran, when Mohammed is conquering the Arab Peninsula by the sword (adding war monger to his CV) and suddenly his idea is to put everyone to death.

Exactly the opposite in the Christian religion, where the vengeful God is soften, and sacrifices Christ in an act of love.

Which is the Religion of Peace????

Any quotes?

I've read the Qur'an from cover to cover many times, many years ago granted but still.

From my observation pretty well each and every violent statement is defensive (Muslims were under siege), and taken in context there will always be a note in the text that if the enemy drop its weapons, the Muslims must do likewise. The laws of war are very clear in the Qur'an too, imposing the highest standards.

Now I won't say that some Qur'anic laws are not outdated (if that weren't the case, I'd be a Muslim myself). What I will say though is that, at least taken within its historical context, the Qur'an is quite reasonable.

Now as for the guy you're referring to, anything his says that is not a direct quote from the Qur'an or Ahadith is his own opinion and should not reflect on the Muslim community as a whole, other than specifically those Muslims who follow him.
 

gopher

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''the opposite in the Christian religion, where the vengeful God is softens, and sacrifices Christ in an act of love.
Which is the Religion of Peace????''


More people have been killed in the name of the Christian Bible than for any other reason in history.
 

Colpy

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''the opposite in the Christian religion, where the vengeful God is softens, and sacrifices Christ in an act of love.
Which is the Religion of Peace????''


More people have been killed in the name of the Christian Bible than for any other reason in history.

You lied about this before.

Two points......the path to the Godless socialist paradise killed 100 million in the 20th century.....many times the number killed in "the name of the Christian Bible".

Secondly, killing in the name of Christ is the opposite of his teachings and his example.

Killing in the name of Mohammed is perfectly in line with his teaching and his example.
 

Machjo

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You lied about this before.

Two points......the path to the Godless socialist paradise killed 100 million in the 20th century.....many times the number killed in "the name of the Christian Bible".

Secondly, killing in the name of Christ is the opposite of his teachings and his example.

Killing in the name of Mohammed is perfectly in line with his teaching and his example.

Quote please.

And of those who say, "We are Christians,! have we accepted the
covenant.

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 5 - The Table)

Verily, they who believe, and the Jews, and the Sabeites, and the
Christians - whoever of them believeth in God and in the last day, and doth
what is right, on them shall come no fear, neither shall they be put to grief.

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 5 - The Table)

SURA CIX (109) - Unbelievers (Mecca - 6 Verses) (IX - 29)

In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Say: O ye Unbelievers!

I worship not that which ye worship,

And ye do not worship that which I worship;

I shall never worship that which ye worship,

Neither will ye worship that which I worship.

To you be your religion; to me my religion.
 

BaalsTears

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Just say NO to multiculturalism:


The First People of America who fought and died in resistance died with honor. Those who accommodated multiculturalism died like dogs. Let Crazy Horse and Tecumseh be the model for those who oppose multiculturalism. No peace.

The First People of America who fought and died in resistance died with honor. Those who accommodated multiculturalism died like dogs. Let Crazy Horse and Tecumseh be the model for those who oppose multiculturalism. No peace.

Take the above figuratively, not literally.
 

petros

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the path to the Godless socialist paradise killed 100 million in the 20th century.....
Killing in the name of Mohammed is perfectly in line with his teaching and his example.
Those weren't socialists. They hated socialists. It's time for you to learn your history again.

Go right ahead.
But that will offend the Jew because it puts them on the spot in massives ways that the Christians aren't supposed to know about but the Muslims sure know about and talk about because they are waiting for Jesus to return too?
 

Machjo

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But that will offend the Jew because it puts them on the spot in massives ways that the Christians aren't supposed to know about but the Muslims sure know about and talk about because they are waiting for Jesus to return too?

I didn't fully understand your sentence there, but I'll say that quoting the Bible should not offend a Jew seeing that by definition a Jew accepts the Old Testament. Like the Qur'an, the Old Testament too has some parts that are outdated, but again to be fair we do need to consider the Bible within its historical context.

Now some Jews and Muslims might take offense at such a statement implying their religions are outdated, but so be it. That is my belief. If I did not believe them to be outdated, I'd believe in them myself.

However, my main purpose in quoting the Qur'an above was to show that you need to judge Islam by its own holy books and not some 'jurist's' opinion.
 

Trotz

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That picture is so overused,
the Plains Nations' were a barbarous bunch who would gather a gang of 30 thugs and go attack a single man with a rifle and then they often would butcher and rape entire families - a bit forgotten but they didn't particularly enjoy the presence of other Amerindian nations or the rare Afro-American or Chinese present.

Glamourizing those people makes as much sense as glamourizing the Farm Raids in South Africa.


On the other hand, every other nation from Salish to Iroquois was rather fond of Europeans, were more than willing to trade fur and food in return for our products, and a good number of them had allied themselves to European powers.
I know your sociologist professor has probably claimed that "the white man genocided" Amerindians, but people then weren't exactly brillant in regards to the transmission of diseases and no one knew that the Amerindian were more suspectible to small poxs and other diseases - and regardless, there are more living today than there were in the 1760s.