Can muslims be good canadians?


ironsides
#1
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD CANADIANS?



(This is certainly 'food-for-thought'. What do you think?)

This is very interesting and we all need to read it
from start to finish And send it on to everyone.

Maybe this is why our Canadian Muslims are
so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be A good Canadian?



This question was forwarded to a man who worked
in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . .
Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no. . .
Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah Except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no.. . .
Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no .
Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he Turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . ..
Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make Friends with Christians or Jews ..

Politically - no. . .
Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual Leaders),
who teach annihilation of Israel, America and destruction of Canada , We are the great Satan.

Domestically - no.. .. .
Because he is instructed to marry four Women and
Beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. .
Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes
the Bible to be corrupt.


Spiritually - no.. . .
Because when we declare 'one nation under God,'
The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah
is NEVER referred to As Heavenly father, nor is he
ever called love in the Quran's 99 Excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation....
perhaps we should be Very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS
in this country. - - - They obviously Cannot be both
good' Muslims and good Canadians.
Call it what you wish
it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who
understand This, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ......

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within..

 
JLM
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD CANADIANS?



(This is certainly 'food-for-thought'. What do you think?)

This is very interesting and we all need to read it
from start to finish And send it on to everyone.

Maybe this is why our Canadian Muslims are
so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be A good Canadian?



This question was forwarded to a man who worked
in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . .
Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no. . .
Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah Except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no.. . .
Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no .
Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he Turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . ..
Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make Friends with Christians or Jews ..

Politically - no. . .
Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual Leaders),
who teach annihilation of Israel, America and destruction of Canada , We are the great Satan.

Domestically - no.. .. .
Because he is instructed to marry four Women and
Beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. .
Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes
the Bible to be corrupt.


Spiritually - no.. . .
Because when we declare 'one nation under God,'
The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah
is NEVER referred to As Heavenly father, nor is he
ever called love in the Quran's 99 Excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation....
perhaps we should be Very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS
in this country. - - - They obviously Cannot be both
good' Muslims and good Canadians.
Call it what you wish
it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who
understand This, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ......

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within..

Absolutely
 
Johnnny
#3
Destroy us from within, lol you think this is Chechnya?
 
Johnnny
#4
as far as ive noticed we let them wear there scarfs over there head and everyone seems happy.
 
Dexter Sinister
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post


Intellectually - no. .
Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes
the Bible to be corrupt.

The U.S. constitution is not based on biblical principles, that's a common and false claim of the religious right as part of their campaign to end the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state. And what does accepting the U.S. constitution have to do with being a good Canadian anyway? I'd bet that the original question was "Can muslims be good Americans," this was some ignorant religious nutbar's response, then some other moron just changed a few references from America to Canada without understanding the context. If the question had been "Can whacko fundamentalist Muslims be good Americans" the answers might have made some sense, and no doubt we could generate similar answers to the question, "Can whacko fundamentalist Christians be good Americans."
 
Tonington
#6
Of course they can. My neighbours here in PEI are from Saudi Arabia. They offered me a beer when I went over to introduce myself. They are here learning English, and wish to stay here afterwards and complete degrees at UPEI. They told me some of the stories since they've moved here. They appear to be more understanding of different cultures than many of the Canadians they've met.

I know many Christians who do not follow the Bible teachings religiously. They still identify as a Christian. Muslims are no different.
 
MHz
#7
"Socially - no. . ..
Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make Friends with Christians or Jews .."

Once you find the actual reference and then read a little further it identifies it more closely as false Christians and blind (to Christ) Jews.

The Bible says we shouldn't eat with known sinners, that isn't followed all that closely.
 
Colpy
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Destroy us from within, lol you think this is Chechnya?

No, but take a close look at France, the Netherlands, Denmark.....or even Britain.
 
lone wolf
#9
What happens if we insert "rabid Christians" in the place where it says "Muslims"
 
Colpy
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Of course they can. My neighbours here in PEI are from Saudi Arabia. They offered me a beer when I went over to introduce myself. They are here learning English, and wish to stay here afterwards and complete degrees at UPEI. They told me some of the stories since they've moved here. They appear to be more understanding of different cultures than many of the Canadians they've met.

I know many Christians who do not follow the Bible teachings religiously. They still identify as a Christian. Muslims are no different.

A co-worker is from Algeria.....and she is one of the absolute best we have.....

But she is a non-practising Muslim.......as are your neighbours, if they offered you a beer.

One can not really consider those who live outside the tenets of the faith to be Muslims......this is somewhat different that Christians, as Christianity is a religion of choice, of free will, ........while Islam means 'submission".

So.....the question remains....do practising Muslims belong in the west??

In my opinion, if you or your wife is wearing a chador....you damned well don't belong in this country....you have rejected the basic standards of our society, and you are damaging the fabric of same. Out out damned spot!
Last edited by Colpy; Feb 6th, 2010 at 11:14 AM..
 
YukonJack
#11
I will accept the idea that Muslims can be good Canadians, as soon as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan etc. will allow Christians, Jews an all other religions in these, and all other Muslim countries be unmolested and free to practice their faith, as freely as Muslims are allowed to do so in Canada.
 
Avro
#12
Wow, a good lesson in bigotry.

How many Catholics follow their religion perfectly?

I have several muslim friends who love this country and are very "Canadian" in their ways but still worship as a Muslim.
 
Avro
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

I will accept the idea that Muslims can be good Canadians, as soon as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan etc. will allow Christians, Jews an all other religions in these, and all other Muslim countries be unmolested and free to practice their faith, as freely as Muslims are allowed to do so in Canada.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

What a child you are.
 
VanIsle
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

A co-worker is from Algeria.....and she is one of the absolute best we have.....

But she is a non-practising Muslim.......as are your neighbours, if they offered you a beer.

One can not really consider those who live outside the tenets of the faith to be Muslims......this is somewhat different that Christians, as Christianity is a religion of choice, of free will, ........while Islam means 'submission".

So.....the question remains....do practising Muslims belong in the west??

In my opinion, if you or your wife is wearing a chador....you damned well don't belong in this country....you have rejected the basic standards of our society, and you are damaging the fabric of same. Out out damned spot!

I did meet up with a woman in full black (chador) last week. It was a bit odd because this is not a large city and I do not recall ever seeing anyone here dressed with the full veil before. I work with a Turkish fellow. He applied to be a police officer. I assumed that being a visible minority, they would snap him up but for strange reasons given to him, he was not hired. The claim is that they are not hiring right now during the Olympics. He was told to try again another time. He recently broke up with his wife which came as a shock to everyone. If any of the OP is true, then maybe his un-friendliness, his marriage break-up (non-muslim Canadian girl) and his turn down for the police all fit into the picture in some ways. He was very happy to stop and chat with me while he was applying for the police. I didn't know he was turned down but I did note that he was back to being quite un-friendly. We don't work in the same department so it didn't matter much. Then a couple of nights ago, another co-worker who works directly with him told me about his turn down and I realized why appearing to be friendly didn't seem to matter anymore. I would never go out of my way to speak out against him but if I was ever asked about him, I would bring that up.
A couple of other things were said about him but the person speaking may be biased and I see no reason here or elsewhere to mention the other things.
 
Avro
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

No, but take a close look at France, the Netherlands, Denmark.....or even Britain.

Check under your bed before you go to sleep, their may be a Muslim under there waiting to get you.
 
Avro
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

A co-worker is from Algeria.....and she is one of the absolute best we have.....

But she is a non-practising Muslim.......as are your neighbours, if they offered you a beer.

One can not really consider those who live outside the tenets of the faith to be Muslims......this is somewhat different that Christians, as Christianity is a religion of choice, of free will, ........while Islam means 'submission".

So.....the question remains....do practising Muslims belong in the west??

In my opinion, if you or your wife is wearing a chador....you damned well don't belong in this country....you have rejected the basic standards of our society, and you are damaging the fabric of same. Out out damned spot!

What a pile of BS!

Is a catholic who wears a rubber less catholic than one who has 10 kids? I know many people who have some sort of faith but nary a one who follow their religions to the letter.....even thought they like to think so.
 
ironsides
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

What happens if we insert "rabid Christians" in the place where it says "Muslims"


"rabid Christians" won't blow up markets and schools as readily.


 
YukonJack
#18
"What the hell does that have to do with anything?

What a child you are."

Obviously, the countries I mentioned in my post do not think that Jews, Christians and any other non-Muslim people can be good and decent citizens of their countries. They persecute them, kill them, humiliate tham, over-tax them, all prescibed and demanded by their "Holy Book" the Quoran.

So, with that kind of demented mentality, how can one grant any credibility and trust Muslims?

I will be gracious enough to ignore your TRULY childish insult.
 
ironsides
#19
The question was "Can a good Muslim be A good Canadian?"

Emphasis on good, not to those who practice what parts of a religion they deem appropriate. Any deviation from the Koran and your no longer a good Muslim.
 
taxslave
#20
The same questions could be asked of christians and get the same answers. Sorry Ironsides but Canadians are a little more accommodating than your average rightwing christian nutbar American. When you live and work in close quarters with people of all religions and nationalities you soon learn that there are only two kinds of people, good and bad. Nutbars come in all colors and religions and all are dangerous.
 
Avro
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

"What the hell does that have to do with anything?

What a child you are."

Obviously, the countries I mentioned in my post do not think that Jews, Christians and any other non-Muslim people can be good and decent citizens of their countries. They persecute them, kill them, humiliate tham, over-tax them, all prescibed and demanded by their "Holy Book" the Quoran.

So, with that kind of demented mentality, how can one grant any credibility and trust Muslims?

I will be gracious enough to ignore your TRULY childish insult.

What does that have to do with the Muslims that live here?
 
ironsides
#22
I agree, that probably 90% or better Christians and Muslims do not fall into the category of 'Good". As soon as you change something in your religion to accommodate others you cease to be a good devoted believer.. Reworded I could ask would a Ultra Right wing Muslim be a good Canadian, and the answer would be the same for a Ultra Right wing Christian or anything. No.
 
YukonJack
#23
"What does that have to do with the Muslims that live here?"

Only the simple fact that to a GOOD Muslim, the Quoran is far more important than being a GOOD Canadian.
 
Avro
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

"What does that have to do with the Muslims that live here?"

Only the simple fact that to a GOOD Muslim, the Quoran is far more important than being a GOOD Canadian.

So in order to be a good Catholic do you have to never wear a rubber?

Btw, the title of the article doesn't say "GOOD MUSLIM".
 
Cliffy
#25
What ever happened to the good christian doctrine of "Love thy neighbour as thyself"?
 
YukonJack
#26
"Btw, the title of the article doesn't say "GOOD MUSLIM"."

Feast your eyes on the following line in the article.

Can a good Muslim be A good Canadian?



 
darkbeaver
#27
Can Zionists be good Canadians? Are Zionists good for anything?
 
Tonington
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

A co-worker is from Algeria.....and she is one of the absolute best we have.....

But she is a non-practising Muslim.......as are your neighbours, if they offered you a beer.

My neighbours believe in Allah...they don't believe in doctrine passed down from ancient story tellers. Many Christians could be described with the same circumstance.

The OP doesn't specify practicing or not, and it's irrelevant anyways.

People will identify with whatever religion or belief system they like, whether or not they are a "true _______" or not. Just because they drink beer does not mean they are not Muslims. This is a fallacy, known as the No true Scotsman (external - login to view).

Quote:

So.....the question remains....do practising Muslims belong in the west??

No, the question is why would they not belong in the West? There's a huge difference. If you want to exclude a group of people from immigration, then you have to have a reasoned answer.
 
Colpy
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

Check under your bed before you go to sleep, their may be a Muslim under there waiting to get you.

A lovely insulting sidestep there, which amounts to an attempt to avoid the question.......

A large Muslim minority is changing the very nature of Europe.....and NOT for the better.

Face it, deal with it, debate it.....childishness accomplishes nothing.
 
Avro
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

"Btw, the title of the article doesn't say "GOOD MUSLIM"."

Feast your eyes on the following line in the article.

Can a good Muslim be A good Canadian?


Still not the title of the thread and answer my other question about catholics please.

Curious, since you are a missionary what faith do you practice?

Do you follow it to the letter?

If not, does that make you not "GOOD."

I know many Muslims, have celebrated ramadan with them and have never witnessed any of them being un-Canadian.....good partiers actually.

So tell me again what do muslims here have to do with what goes on in the middle east?
 

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