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April 21st, 2008, 10:57 AM
Had to drop something off at my son's school last week. The office folks said I could take it directly to his class as long as I signed in and out at the office. When I got to the classroom it was total chaos; kids yelling, stuff being thrown and the teacher trying to maintain her sanity. That night I asked my son why his class was so wrangy that day. His answer floored me, he said it was always that way. He gets very good grades and I asked him if his teacher ever helped him with his work, again I was disappointed with his answer, he said she was so busy dealing with the idiots (his words) all the time because of their behaviour that he would just work on his own. The principal said that the teacher is exemplary and doing the best she can with the class. I asked the principal, what is being done for my son and her response was that his marks were good and he is well behaved. I will be enrolling him in a private school in the fall. Good thing the mortgage is paid off.
Had to drop something off at my son's school last week. The office folks said I could take it directly to his class as long as I signed in and out at the office. When I got to the classroom it was total chaos; kids yelling, stuff being thrown and the teacher trying to maintain her sanity. That night I asked my son why his class was so wrangy that day. His answer floored me, he said it was always that way. He gets very good grades and I asked him if his teacher ever helped him with his work, again I was disappointed with his answer, he said she was so busy dealing with the idiots (his words) all the time because of their behaviour that he would just work on his own. The principal said that the teacher is exemplary and doing the best she can with the class. I asked the principal, what is being done for my son and her response was that his marks were good and he is well behaved. I will be enrolling him in a private school in the fall. Good thing the mortgage is paid off.
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April 21st, 2008, 11:06 AM
Does your son want to change schools or was that a decision made just by you?
Does your son want to change schools or was that a decision made just by you?
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April 21st, 2008, 11:09 AM
Quoting DurkaDurka
He will be 12 next month and has said that if I think it's in his best interest he will do it. Got to love that kind of son.
Does your son want to change schools or was that a decision made just by you?
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April 21st, 2008, 11:22 AM
Quoting DurkaDurka
The high school my daughter attends is in an area that is mostly Asian (can't use the O word anymore) and has virtually no discipline problems. We hope my son will also be attending there. It has a special program for the Arts which is why my daughter goes there.
Do you plan on sending him to a private high school as well?
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April 21st, 2008, 11:22 AM
Walter, things have certainly changed since I went to school. I doubt Mrs. Downey in Grade 4 would have put up with that nonsense. That yardstick would have come down hard on my knuckles if I got out of line. Your son must be a very focused individual to concentrate in the middle of that chaos. Sadly, the majority of the kids will not get anything out of a class like that.
Walter, things have certainly changed since I went to school. I doubt Mrs. Downey in Grade 4 would have put up with that nonsense. That yardstick would have come down hard on my knuckles if I got out of line. Your son must be a very focused individual to concentrate in the middle of that chaos. Sadly, the majority of the kids will not get anything out of a class like that.
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April 21st, 2008, 11:23 AM
Make sure you know what subjects he's taking. St. George's private school in Vancouver was a bad experience for a family I know. They sent their son there for six years hoping to better prepare him for University. At the end of grade twelve they found out that their son had picked only the easy courses and didn't have anything even close to university entrance requirements. He ended up going to Vancouver City College for a couple years just to get into university.
Make sure you know what subjects he's taking. St. George's private school in Vancouver was a bad experience for a family I know. They sent their son there for six years hoping to better prepare him for University. At the end of grade twelve they found out that their son had picked only the easy courses and didn't have anything even close to university entrance requirements. He ended up going to Vancouver City College for a couple years just to get into university.
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April 21st, 2008, 12:50 PM
Yeah my entire grade 6 year sounded like that. Based on my experiences as a kid and what my classmates believed.... it's mostly to do with the teacher and their abilities to keep their students in order.
Grade 6 was hell, because our teacher fell and injured himself aftershool doing something on the window or what have you. The substitute didn't have much of an authoritive tone, nor knew what methods or threats to take to make sure the students would do as they were told.
She was a push over, attempted to treat us like we were in Grade 2, thus, we acted like we were in Grade 2. Hardly anything was taught, the punishments were more of a game then they were taken seriously, and therefore our class was an absolute hell.
Each other teacher we had all had their different personalities and different methods of keeping control. Some were good, some were bad. Some scared the hell out of you, and others you wonder how they became a teacher to begin with.
The funny thing was back in Grade 11, we had the same substitute we had in Grade 6.... and the really funny thing about it was that we all went right back to Grade 2 on her.... and she went back to treating us like we were in Grade 2, as if nobody learned anything on either side of the battlefield.
Does this mean Public Schools are crap compared to Private Schools? I don't think so. Both teach you different perspectives when it comes to social aspects.
As a comparison, in the Private School, it might be quiet and easy to study, but the fact that your child can do exceptionally well through those distractions is a good sign for future encounters they may encounter in the future. If he started in private and then was thrown into this loud and uncontrolled state of affairs, I imagine his concentration levels would be lower (Being used to a more relaxed and quiet environment) and probably wouldn't be able to hack it when the pressure is on, or if there's noise going on around him/her.
This is no absolute mind you.
But on another topic.....
"has said that if I think it's in his best interest he will do it."
That's not a good way to learn anything. That's what I told my parents when it came to the student loans, lines of credit and all that garbage for college/university. I told them if they think this is best, then go ahead. I should have sat down and have been told about all the details so I could make an informed decision on what to do, as how things turned out is not how I would have wanted things to go.... but that's life.
I don't know what's best for someone else, and vice versa. I can only tell what I know about something and allow them to make an informed decision. If they can't, then I guess I'd have to suck up making the decision and accepting the consequences of that decision and the affect it may have on my child.
Yeah my entire grade 6 year sounded like that. Based on my experiences as a kid and what my classmates believed.... it's mostly to do with the teacher and their abilities to keep their students in order.
Grade 6 was hell, because our teacher fell and injured himself aftershool doing something on the window or what have you. The substitute didn't have much of an authoritive tone, nor knew what methods or threats to take to make sure the students would do as they were told.
She was a push over, attempted to treat us like we were in Grade 2, thus, we acted like we were in Grade 2. Hardly anything was taught, the punishments were more of a game then they were taken seriously, and therefore our class was an absolute hell.
Each other teacher we had all had their different personalities and different methods of keeping control. Some were good, some were bad. Some scared the hell out of you, and others you wonder how they became a teacher to begin with.
The funny thing was back in Grade 11, we had the same substitute we had in Grade 6.... and the really funny thing about it was that we all went right back to Grade 2 on her.... and she went back to treating us like we were in Grade 2, as if nobody learned anything on either side of the battlefield.
Does this mean Public Schools are crap compared to Private Schools? I don't think so. Both teach you different perspectives when it comes to social aspects.
As a comparison, in the Private School, it might be quiet and easy to study, but the fact that your child can do exceptionally well through those distractions is a good sign for future encounters they may encounter in the future. If he started in private and then was thrown into this loud and uncontrolled state of affairs, I imagine his concentration levels would be lower (Being used to a more relaxed and quiet environment) and probably wouldn't be able to hack it when the pressure is on, or if there's noise going on around him/her.
This is no absolute mind you.
But on another topic.....
"has said that if I think it's in his best interest he will do it."
That's not a good way to learn anything. That's what I told my parents when it came to the student loans, lines of credit and all that garbage for college/university. I told them if they think this is best, then go ahead. I should have sat down and have been told about all the details so I could make an informed decision on what to do, as how things turned out is not how I would have wanted things to go.... but that's life.
I don't know what's best for someone else, and vice versa. I can only tell what I know about something and allow them to make an informed decision. If they can't, then I guess I'd have to suck up making the decision and accepting the consequences of that decision and the affect it may have on my child.
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April 21st, 2008, 02:21 PM
Quoting Praxius
Until he's 16 I am legally bound to make proper decisions for him. I will certainly keep him informed. "has said that if I think it's in his best interest he will do it."
That's not a good way to learn anything...
I don't know what's best for someone else, and vice versa.
That's not a good way to learn anything...
I don't know what's best for someone else, and vice versa.
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April 21st, 2008, 02:28 PM
Live and learn.
Quoting Walter
I know, and fair enough. So long as you keep him informed and don't let him just go along with "Sure sure, whatever you think is best" attitude, then I ain't got a beef on the comment. Just saying there's been a few times in the past where I look back and thing I should have either been informed better or that I should have paid better attention to something. Until he's 16 I am legally bound to make proper decisions for him. I will certainly keep him informed.
Live and learn.
April 21st, 2008, 02:59 PM
I put my kids into the separate school system as soon as I moved to Ed and had the chance to get away from public (all that was available where we previously lived). What floored me about public school is that there is no standards of behavior, and the hands were tied for the staff to demand one in any way. I was thrilled when I got my kids into a school where misbehavior will get you a discussion with the principal, and a lecture about the importance of being a decent person.
The public system apparently was more than happy to leave misbehavior until the magical line they draw called 'zero tolerance', regarding bullying or violence. Then, the kid is out on suspension and the trend is set.... the teachers won't guide you, but will swiftly and severely punish you if you cross a line that they haven't taken the time to define for you.
I put my kids into the separate school system as soon as I moved to Ed and had the chance to get away from public (all that was available where we previously lived). What floored me about public school is that there is no standards of behavior, and the hands were tied for the staff to demand one in any way. I was thrilled when I got my kids into a school where misbehavior will get you a discussion with the principal, and a lecture about the importance of being a decent person.
The public system apparently was more than happy to leave misbehavior until the magical line they draw called 'zero tolerance', regarding bullying or violence. Then, the kid is out on suspension and the trend is set.... the teachers won't guide you, but will swiftly and severely punish you if you cross a line that they haven't taken the time to define for you.
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April 21st, 2008, 04:25 PM
Quoting Walter
I had about the same exchange with my daughter. Her class is completely out of control. It isn't the teachers fault IMO but the result of a pantie waste society that can't discipline children anymore. The femanatzi movement has done a real job on our children.
Had to drop something off at my son's school last week. The office folks said I could take it directly to his class as long as I signed in and out at the office. When I got to the classroom it was total chaos; kids yelling, stuff being thrown and the teacher trying to maintain her sanity. That night I asked my son why his class was so wrangy that day. His answer floored me, he said it was always that way. He gets very good grades and I asked him if his teacher ever helped him with his work, again I was disappointed with his answer, he said she was so busy dealing with the idiots (his words) all the time because of their behaviour that he would just work on his own. The principal said that the teacher is exemplary and doing the best she can with the class. I asked the principal, what is being done for my son and her response was that his marks were good and he is well behaved. I will be enrolling him in a private school in the fall. Good thing the mortgage is paid off.
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April 22nd, 2008, 04:15 PM
We have narrowed our choice down to two private Christian schools. We will be going in for visits very soon. My son is quite intrigued by the idea of being in a church-like atmosphere all day. I told him it will probably be more like school than church, but school without the unacceptable behaviour.
We have narrowed our choice down to two private Christian schools. We will be going in for visits very soon. My son is quite intrigued by the idea of being in a church-like atmosphere all day. I told him it will probably be more like school than church, but school without the unacceptable behaviour.
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April 22nd, 2008, 04:28 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH.....condoms............eeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeh
BIRTH CONTROL PILLS..............................AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAH
what to do what to do.....
quandry quandry.
Hopefully they will get "thinking for themselves 101 at home"........
pharaout
Quoting karrie
Our grankids got started in separate, back in kindergarten. Aside from the religious guilt trips they are going to have to deal with, it's a much better system.
I put my kids into the separate school system as soon as I moved to Ed and had the chance to get away from public (all that was available where we previously lived). What floored me about public school is that there is no standards of behavior, and the hands were tied for the staff to demand one in any way. I was thrilled when I got my kids into a school where misbehavior will get you a discussion with the principal, and a lecture about the importance of being a decent person.
The public system apparently was more than happy to leave misbehavior until the magical line they draw called 'zero tolerance', regarding bullying or violence. Then, the kid is out on suspension and the trend is set.... the teachers won't guide you, but will swiftly and severely punish you if you cross a line that they haven't taken the time to define for you.
The public system apparently was more than happy to leave misbehavior until the magical line they draw called 'zero tolerance', regarding bullying or violence. Then, the kid is out on suspension and the trend is set.... the teachers won't guide you, but will swiftly and severely punish you if you cross a line that they haven't taken the time to define for you.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH.....condoms............eeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeehBIRTH CONTROL PILLS..............................AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAH
what to do what to do.....
quandry quandry.
Hopefully they will get "thinking for themselves 101 at home"........pharaout
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April 23rd, 2008, 01:34 PM
When I was a little kid going to school, when I screwed up, I got a good thrashing/beating/The Belt..... as did plenty of other kids I went to school with by their parents.
.... we were still assholes, so was society back then just not tough enough and perhaps should have resorted to shooting us in the legs?
The reason why I claim it's the teacher's fault for not knowing how to control their class, is because not just in high school, but also in elementary, we used to switch from teacher to teacher, class to class. It was the same kids I was in the last classroom with, just like all the other times before..... yet where we would raise all hell and corruption in one class against one teacher, once we were in another class with a different teacher, depending on their own attitudes and disipline they brought into their classroom, you'd think it was a whole new set of kids in there, all quiet and doing their work.
The reason being is because one teacher would just contiually issue out warnings and threats of disipline, while the other teacher would actually carry them out after the very first warning, if we were so lucky.
It also has to do with how that teacher treats the students in their class.
My father, as a teacher, was a hard ass.... probably still is. But although he was hard on disipline in class and he'd drag students to the principle's office by the scruff of their necks, or even just kick them out of the school for the day.... when it really came down to it, respect was given where respect was earned. Where a student needed help with something, he was there. I've heard plenty of stories from fellow students I went to school with as well as others below my grade who had him, and all but a select few loved him as a teacher, I was told stories of how he just stayed after school to help them with their problems, social, class or personal.
When you are given a teacher who just works the job as a job and they put no effort or care in the students they are teaching, and they just continually recycle the same dicipline threats or continually talk down to you, then you're going to have a classroom such as what was described.
I sorta know, because I had a good hand in helping classrooms get like that in the past and I remember many of my reasons why. I'm not saying this is an absolute answer to the problem, but I'd say it covers a great majority of the reasons why classes can get like that.
Quoting Scott Free
It isn't the teachers fault but society's for not being able to discipline children?
I had about the same exchange with my daughter. Her class is completely out of control. It isn't the teachers fault IMO but the result of a pantie waste society that can't discipline children anymore. The femanatzi movement has done a real job on our children.
When I was a little kid going to school, when I screwed up, I got a good thrashing/beating/The Belt..... as did plenty of other kids I went to school with by their parents.
.... we were still assholes, so was society back then just not tough enough and perhaps should have resorted to shooting us in the legs?
The reason why I claim it's the teacher's fault for not knowing how to control their class, is because not just in high school, but also in elementary, we used to switch from teacher to teacher, class to class. It was the same kids I was in the last classroom with, just like all the other times before..... yet where we would raise all hell and corruption in one class against one teacher, once we were in another class with a different teacher, depending on their own attitudes and disipline they brought into their classroom, you'd think it was a whole new set of kids in there, all quiet and doing their work.
The reason being is because one teacher would just contiually issue out warnings and threats of disipline, while the other teacher would actually carry them out after the very first warning, if we were so lucky.
It also has to do with how that teacher treats the students in their class.
My father, as a teacher, was a hard ass.... probably still is. But although he was hard on disipline in class and he'd drag students to the principle's office by the scruff of their necks, or even just kick them out of the school for the day.... when it really came down to it, respect was given where respect was earned. Where a student needed help with something, he was there. I've heard plenty of stories from fellow students I went to school with as well as others below my grade who had him, and all but a select few loved him as a teacher, I was told stories of how he just stayed after school to help them with their problems, social, class or personal.
When you are given a teacher who just works the job as a job and they put no effort or care in the students they are teaching, and they just continually recycle the same dicipline threats or continually talk down to you, then you're going to have a classroom such as what was described.
I sorta know, because I had a good hand in helping classrooms get like that in the past and I remember many of my reasons why. I'm not saying this is an absolute answer to the problem, but I'd say it covers a great majority of the reasons why classes can get like that.
April 23rd, 2008, 01:36 PM
Nugg, they need that regardless of what school they go to. Public school doesn't teach your kids to think freely, they teach them to regurgitate the views of their teachers/administrators for the large part, and those aren't always views that are wise or beneficial.
Quoting Nuggler Hopefully they will get "thinking for themselves 101 at home"........
pharaout
Hopefully they will get "thinking for themselves 101 at home"........pharaout
Nugg, they need that regardless of what school they go to. Public school doesn't teach your kids to think freely, they teach them to regurgitate the views of their teachers/administrators for the large part, and those aren't always views that are wise or beneficial.
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Location: Atlantic Canada
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April 23rd, 2008, 01:40 PM
Quoting karrie
So basically any educational facility in existence?
Nugg, they need that regardless of what school they go to. Public school doesn't teach your kids to think freely, they teach them to regurgitate the views of their teachers/administrators for the large part, and those aren't always views that are wise or beneficial.
