What's the white rap connection?

[tamarin]

http://www.americanpopularculture.com/archive/music/rap_white_men.htm

Now that Imus is gone, the next round has started. Many news shows and journals the last few days have started the war on rap. But the problem with rap certainly isn't one limited to the black community. White kids have always kept it alive. They've funded it. So what is the connection? The article above I think makes some good points.

 

[s243a]

I think that more white people by rap just because their are more white people in Canada and the United States. As for why they like it I'll address that later.

 

[tamarin]

One of the more interesting parts in the article was the belief young white males buy rap music to feel male. To feel validated for what they are. Has society made it difficult for young males to feel strong, vital and independent?

 

[s243a]

One of the more interesting parts in the article was the belief young white males buy rap music to feel male. To feel validated for what they are. Has society made it difficult for young males to feel strong, vital and independent?

I didn't remember the link the first time I read this. It is long. I think it is reasonably insightful but I think the author tries to extrapolate too much. I think competition is genetically ingrained in males. Was there a time where the alpha male got the woman? In that spirit of competition we measure ourselves against others, be they our neighbors or some pop culture icon. Independents goes against social norms. More then likely if a person doesn't fit one social norm people will try to fit them into another. Not a typical guy maybe their gay.

 

[tamarin]

S2, I got the distinct idea in the article that the author felt young white males felt disenfranchised not from their culture but their gender. Rap allowed them to reclaim it. Maybe the politics of accommodation and tolerance has robbed many of our kids of their sense of identity. Maybe young white males even feel cowed by a culture that fails to respect who they are and seeing this same displacement in their parrents they choose a musical genre that restores what they feel they've lost.

 

[s243a]

S2, I got the distinct idea in the article that the author felt young white males felt disenfranchised not from their culture but their gender. Rap allowed them to reclaim it. Maybe the politics of accommodation and tolerance has robbed many of our kids of their sense of identity. Maybe young white males even feel cowed by a culture that fails to respect who they are and seeing this same displacement in their parrents they choose a musical genre that restores what they feel they've lost.

Disenfranchisement means to take away a right. I am not sure if you chose the right world. What was the kids sence of identity before rap music? Of course we baby kids. We don't want them to grow up and as a consequence we think they are not mature enough to decide what music to listen to.

 

[eh1eh]

This is the product of the white rap connection. A real vannila tragedy. 8O

 

[tamarin]

Oh, oh, can't say the W word!

 

[eh1eh]

Oh, oh, can't say the W word!

What's that, 'wiggar'?

 

[tamarin]

Hey, that wasn't nice!

Good to see both Glenn Beck and Anderson Cooper pitching in to bring hiphop and rap to account for their well established "don't snitch" campaign. No wonder crime rates are falling in America. No one wants to report them! Cooper had on a seasoned homicide investigator who said despite the national clearance rate of 60% for murders, the rate has dropped into "single digits" in many inner city neighbourhoods where the gangsta rap generation refuses to co-operate with police. They won't even phone the cops if their mother is attacked. One teen girl said co-operation with the police is a "crime" in her community. Sounds like something out of Baghdad.
Keep up the pressure, guys!

 

[eh1eh]

Tamarin: Hey, that wasn't nice!

OK, so what be the "W" word?

 

[tamarin]

Hmmmmmmmm.... you little smartie!

 

[DurkaDurka]

Tamarin, you best recognize dat you are whack! yo hating on the whyte rhymers ain't legit, you best step back before I slap you in the lip!

That is my white rap for the day.

 

[s243a]

Hey, that wasn't nice!

Good to see both Glenn Beck and Anderson Cooper pitching in to bring hiphop and rap to account for their well established "don't snitch" campaign. No wonder crime rates are falling in America. No one wants to report them! Cooper had on a seasoned homicide investigator who said despite the national clearance rate of 60% for murders, the rate has dropped into "single digits" in many inner city neighbourhoods where the gangsta rap generation refuses to co-operate with police. They won't even phone the cops if their mother is attacked. One teen girl said co-operation with the police is a "crime" in her community. Sounds like something out of Baghdad.
Keep up the pressure, guys!

The stop snitching message in rap seems to be a bigger concern in the media then the improper language. It is on Anderson Copper again tonight. Helpfully, more trust can be built between police and comunities.

 

[snfu73]

Hey, that wasn't nice!

Good to see both Glenn Beck and Anderson Cooper pitching in to bring hiphop and rap to account for their well established "don't snitch" campaign. No wonder crime rates are falling in America. No one wants to report them! Cooper had on a seasoned homicide investigator who said despite the national clearance rate of 60% for murders, the rate has dropped into "single digits" in many inner city neighbourhoods where the gangsta rap generation refuses to co-operate with police. They won't even phone the cops if their mother is attacked. One teen girl said co-operation with the police is a "crime" in her community. Sounds like something out of Baghdad.
Keep up the pressure, guys!

So, you think ALL hip hop has a negative message? Ahhh, another grand "paint it all with one brush" approach.

 

[tamarin]

Durka, you might get a call from Mickey Dee's!

S2, thank Imus for ratcheting up the debate. The attack will be multi-pronged. Certainly language and behaviour codes will be in the forefront.

Snfu, hiphop has a huge audience and a huge credibility gap. I'm more than happy to see the genre and its artists under the media gun.

 

[snfu73]

Durka, you might get a call from Mickey Dee's!

S2, thank Imus for ratcheting up the debate. The attack will be multi-pronged. Certainly language and behaviour codes will be in the forefront.

Snfu, hiphop has a huge audience and a huge credibility gap. I'm more than happy to see the genre and its artists under the media gun.

Obviously you don't know much about hip hop...other than what IS under the media gun. Why isn't Anderson Cooper reporting on the influential artists who are taking a positive approach...folks who treat the form as a true art? Where is he on that one?

 

[s243a]

Obviously you don't know much about hip hop...other than what IS under the media gun. Why isn't Anderson Cooper reporting on the influential artists who are taking a positive approach...folks who treat the form as a true art? Where is he on that one?

Don't worry, they aren't going to ban Will Smith and hopefully not MnM, although MnMs newer stuff isn't as good.

 

[snfu73]

Don't worry, they aren't going to ban Will Smith and hopefully not MnM, although MnMs newer stuff isn't as good.

Actually...I can support a Will Smith ban. God could I support a Will Smith ban.

 

[tamarin]

"Obviously you don't know much about hip hop...other than what IS under the media gun. Why isn't Anderson Cooper reporting on the influential artists who are taking a positive approach...folks who treat the form as a true art? Where is he on that one?"

Snfu, do you live in a closet? All the key US news journalism shows I watch have had positive input from industry reps in the last couple of weeks.
What puzzles me is your bias that hiphop is a "true art" form. How in the name of anything that might possibly make sense in this universe did you get to that assumption? I'm listenin'....