The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

FiveParadox

#1Mar 18th, 2006

March 21, 2006, is the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.

Here in Canada, we have made astounding progress in ensuring that everyone feels welcome and safe within our borders; granted, however, there have been bumps on this road. Recent cases, brought before the Supreme Court of Canada, showcase the fact that there are certain things that remain to be done to that end. Efforts abroad to bring terrorism to an end have, for some reason, increased domestic tensions in both Canada and the United States of America in terms of the undue scrutiny of persons due to their race, religion and other such factors.

Among the many examples of this progress in Canada, we can turn to the highest position in our system of governance (save that of the Queen); only months ago, we saw the first-ever appointment of a black Canadian to the Governor Generalship of Canada. On the occasion of this important day, Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., the Governor General of Canada issued a message to the nation in relation to discrimination.

Quote: Originally Posted by Her Excellency the Rt. Hon. Michaëlle Jean, C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.,

March 17, 2006

As you know, it is so important to me that we break down solitudes, regardless of which barriers stand in the way: age, gender, ethnicity, language, religion, poverty, to name but a few. Racism and discrimination, which continue to be problems in our society, sink their insidious roots in the soil of ignorance and lack of understanding. They have no place in a society that prizes above all the values of respect, openness and sharing, which are paramount for me.

Click -- to read the message in English.
Cliquetez -- pour lire le message en français.

Sources
1. Click -- for the Web site of the Governor General of Canada.

Daz_Hockey

RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 18th, 2006

isnt the right hon. Mrs Jean of an ethnic minority herself?...nah I think Canada has done more for ethnic minorities than a lot of countries, certainly than her neighbours to the south.

as Mohammed Ali said "god damn, I dont trust them whites up in yankie land, you know they be racist down south..god they'll spit in ur face and you accept it kind sir.....but up north.....watch em, they be saying hello and acting all nice...but theyd shoot you if you slept with their daughter"

And that was in the 70's, I think it's got worse, canada has done well on that front in my opinion to racially secular and not a "melting pot"

FiveParadox

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 18th, 2006

I agree; as I mentioned above, yes, Canada has made much progress.

And yes, Her Excellency is the first black Canadian to be appointed to her position.

cortez

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 19th, 2006

it seems as if canada- comparatively ---is quite advanced in the high degree of racial integration it has achieved
i think many canadians dont even percieve racial differences as significant differences between people.
however -- its not perfect-- any at some point many ethic groups in canada have complained of significant discrimination--if not institutionalized-then culturally or socially----
its a slow steady evolutionary process and hopefully it will continue to improve

darkbeaver

RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 19th, 2006

Yea I hope it continues , beavers need love and respect too.

orpheus

RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 19th, 2006

Cumbaya milord, Cumbaya...::cries from happiness::
I just ruined the moment.
I agree with all of you, though. I've travelled a lot and met many people, and I would say that Canada's top notch when it comes to equality. =)
Now, the Nordic region...

Colpy

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 19th, 2006

I hate to throw a wrench into this lefty love-in, but you guys are so full of it.

What you mean is that us white people have become increasingly tolerant, and you are right, that is a very good thing.

However there are still vast pockets of racism in Canada.

How about the East Indian who stabbed his daughter to death because she was having an affair with a Christian white boy?

The racism most prevalent in our society today is the racism that exists among the groups of immigrants that we have so carefully failed to integrate.

Just ask the next Muslim whose daughter gets caught up with a white boy.

FiveParadox

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 19th, 2006

Colpy, I believe the case you were referring to involved Sikhs — not Muslims.

Nonetheless, as I highlighted above (and as did Her Excellency's message on this occasion), we still have a lot of progress to make — but we also should celebrate the progress we've made to date. There have been leaps and bounds, and we should be proud of that, while simultaneously realizing that there is much that remains to be done.

orpheus

RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 19th, 2006

I know plenty of Muslims who get caught up with white boys. And the majority don't really care actually.
When things make the news it's because they're rare and thus, newsworthy. That is certainly not the norm.

However, there is plenty of discrimination. I live in Saskatchewan, so many people have many misconceptions about Aborigionals.

darkbeaver

#10

RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 19th, 2006

Vast pockets on enormous trousers. Racial violence on a national scale
knife wielding Muslims cutting up tolerant white hadicapped christian teenagers streets running with blood houses burning it's hell out there. When will we stop the carnage.

Colpy

#11

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Colpy, I believe the case you were referring to involved Sikhs — not Muslims.

Nonetheless, as I highlighted above (and as did Her Excellency's message on this occasion), we still have a lot of progress to make — but we also should celebrate the progress we've made to date. There have been leaps and bounds, and we should be proud of that, while simultaneously realizing that there is much that remains to be done.

You are correct, the actual case I spoke of was a Sikh. I wonder if he used a kirpan? I actually doubt it, as I don't believe he was a strict "fundamentalist" Sikh.

The Muslim reference was just a random example. Conjecture only.

There are many cultures in Canada that are exclusionary.

Colpy

#12

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by orpheus

I know plenty of Muslims who get caught up with white boys. And the majority don't really care actually.
When things make the news it's because they're rare and thus, newsworthy. That is certainly not the norm.

However, there is plenty of discrimination. I live in Saskatchewan, so many people have many misconceptions about Aborigionals.

Yeah, it seems Indians (Native Americans) are the ones whites love to hate.

cortez

#13

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Quote: Originally Posted by orpheus
I know plenty of Muslims who get caught up with white boys. And the majority don't really care actually.
When things make the news it's because they're rare and thus, newsworthy. That is certainly not the norm.

However, there is plenty of discrimination. I live in Saskatchewan, so many people have many misconceptions about Aborigionals.
Yeah, it seems Indians (Native Americans) are the ones whites love to hate.

ive detected this very virulent anti-indian mentally in many people from out west-- its ugly

i dont think that the residual racial bigotry we have in canada is unique or even more prevalent in the -- nonwhite componet of canadian culture-- i cant really quantify it--- but there certainly is a significant amount of racial bigotry in canadians of european ancestry--- less than previously but its still there---

FiveParadox

#14

Generations of Canadians

Mar 19th, 2006

I think that one is going to find that as the next generations "rise to power" in Canada, so to speak, we are going to see racism become less and less of an issue. I would argue that the younger generation has far less reservations about accepting other cultures into our own.

cortez

#15

Re: Generations of Canadians

Mar 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I think that one is going to find that as the next generations "rise to power" in Canada, so to speak, we are going to see racism become less and less of an issue. I would argue that the younger generation has far less reservations about accepting other cultures into our own.

agreed

I think not

#16

Re: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

When people stop counting how many minorities are in government, then I'll believe racial discrimination doesn't exist. You have to look at people based on their abilities, not the color of their skin. The days of Affirmative Action (or Positive Discrimination) are long over, or at least should be.

Jay

#17

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

I hate to throw a wrench into this lefty love-in, but you guys are so full of it.

iamcanadian

#18

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Canada discriminates in so many different ways. Granted not in violent ways, but in economic and opportunities based on Culture.

One only needs to review the government salaries disclosure sites to see that all it takes is the right kind of last name.

I think the immortal words of Mahomad Ali

Quote:

"...they be racist down south..god they'll spit in ur face and you accept it kind sir.....but up north.....watch em, they be saying hello and acting all nice...but theyd shoot you..."

holds true when it comes to government and economic interests which discrimination is applied equally to blacks, whites and those in between who are not from the correct master cultures.

cortez

#19

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

Canada discriminates in so many different ways. Granted not in violent ways, but in economic and opportunities based on Culture.

One only needs to review the government salaries disclosure sites to see that all it takes is the right kind of last name.

I think the immortal words of Mahomad Ali
Quote:
"...they be racist down south..god they'll spit in ur face and you accept it kind sir.....but up north.....watch em, they be saying hello and acting all nice...but theyd shoot you..."
holds true when it comes to government and economic interests which discrimination is applied equally to blacks, whites and those in between who are not from the correct master cultures.

im not arguing with you but waht type of last name are you reffering to -- ie in govn disclosure list

iamcanadian

#20

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/pub...sclosure/2005/

Make up your own minds by reviewing these sites.

Jay

#21

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/publications/salarydisclosure/2005/

Make up your own minds by reviewing these sites.

I love looking over those salaries for the medical industry.....People who are supposed to be working in an environment of "people first, no profit from health-care" sure make gobs of money off of it....

orpheus

#22

RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote:

Canada discriminates in so many different ways. Granted not in violent ways, but in economic and opportunities based on Culture.

I would disagree. If you look at the cutlural aspects its often because of immigration. We all know that if you're trained as an engineer in Lebannon you'd would probably have to redo your education here. And often, we have these engineers driving cabs. The opportunity is always there, but we haven't made it as easy as possible for immigrants.

Quote:

I love looking over those salaries for the medical industry.....People who are supposed to be working in an environment of "people first, no profit from health-care" sure make gobs of money off of it....

People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.

iamcanadian

#23

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

The things that really stand out are the jobs of senior bureaucrats in public works and business services. Most of those people are not qualified to hold their professions, yet are making more money than most private professionals in their same professions.

They use the gauge of professions like Doctors (who are all paid based on a uniform Government Approved Salary more or less and than extend the pay to the non-medical professions to government jobs aquired by atritian after starting off as the Dog Catcher by some nepotisimish appointment.

They sit warming a chair for enough years and are making six figure salaries without the competence of a Flea to do their stated profession.

Professional Beureacrats making six figures for what is basically just clerical work.

cortez

#24

Re: RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/publications/salarydisclosure/2005/

Make up your own minds by reviewing these sites.

ive reviewed the list --briefly
are you saying that most of the names are european sounding...

im not sure what you getting at...

i cant tell from viewing the list whether these people are
competant or not

as far as the requires qualifications.. i cant comment from direct experience

but i got into a discussion once with a pathologist-- trying to defend his large salary
pathologists seem to be on that list-- bbut not say surgeons--- is that because pathologists tend to salaried and surgeons are fee for service--- i dont know
anyway
his defense was basically the extremely long and difficult training required
something like

4 years university in a BSc program
4 years medical school
1 year of internship
4 years pathology residency training

13 years post secondary education
and you have to get great marks etc

im not sure what you pay someone like that

compare to say
professional atheletes

i dont know
what exactly would be fair
and again im not sure how this relates to the thread ie racial discrimination

Jay

#25

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by orpheus

People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.

Gee, wow.....amazing.

What about all those other people in the lists who aren't doctors and nurses....did you read the list?

An example for you....

Baycrest Ctr. for
Geriatric Care HARRISON LAURIE VP, Finance & Admin. $254,507.45

The point is there sure is a lot of people making a lot of money off of this "not for profit" healthcare.

cortez

#26

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Quote: Originally Posted by orpheus
People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.
Gee, wow.....amazing.

What about all those other people in the lists who aren't doctors and nurses....did you read the list?

An example for you....

Baycrest Ctr. for
Geriatric Care HARRISON LAURIE VP, Finance & Admin. $254,507.45

The point is there sure is a lot of people making a lot of money off of this "not for profit" healthcare.

but in a for- profit system
youd probably have to pay all these people that amount of money
plus have something left over to make a --corporate profit---
for people who do even less--- ie invest their money--as investors -- not as customers

anyway---
i dont have the stats but at one point the US HMO,s were criticised for amoung other things paying their CEOs salaries in the MILLIONS

back to our sacred canadian health care system.....
of course everyone would like to get paid proportion to their training and degree of responsability--
call that for profit if you wish

Jay

#27

Re: RE: The Elimination of Ra

Mar 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by cortez

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
Quote: Originally Posted by orpheus
People who become doctors do so for the money and prestige along with helping people. If money wasn't a factor they'd become nurses etc.
Now, if you don't want to pay them, then that's ok. Dying is a valid option.
Gee, wow.....amazing.

What about all those other people in the lists who aren't doctors and nurses....did you read the list?

An example for you....

Baycrest Ctr. for
Geriatric Care HARRISON LAURIE VP, Finance & Admin. $254,507.45

The point is there sure is a lot of people making a lot of money off of this "not for profit" healthcare.
but in a for- profit system
youd probably have to pay all these people that amount of money
plus have something left over to make a --corporate profit---
for people who do even less--- ie invest their money--as investors -- not as customers

And I don't disagree....but under the private system it would at least be an honest description of the system, rather than the one we have now.

There is no shortage of people making serious profit in this system; at least we could stop fooling ourselves into thinking otherwise....it's just hard to capture Liberal votes that way.

cortez

#28

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Jay, I am not clear about your definition of FOR PROFIT. To me, for profit means a corporate profit over and above the cost of running the services. Even a private company has to pay costs such as salaries. The public run hospitals do not accrue a profit over and above the costs of services.

Jay

#29

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Mainly it is a sarcastic critique of the system...I say BS it's not for profit.

It's just that "certain" people in this country don't seem to understand milking the government and the tax payer is profitable.

iamcanadian

#30

RE: The Elimination of Racial Discrimination

Mar 20th, 2006

Excecutives in the private sector that get paid MILLIONS earn every penny by ability and merit.

Public Sector Executives making more then $50K is a rip off. They don't get the jobs on merit and nothing they do personally makes any difference to anyones bottom line.

They do clerical work at best, appart from the out-of-school activities they do once there, which should not count towards personal merit or worth to be paid anything for, since they take what they want anyway regardless what they get paid.

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