How we treat prostitutes

Gonzo

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It's terrible how long it took before they investigated all those dead women in Vancouver. Because they were prostitutes the police didn't put much effort in it. These women are human beings. They don’t want to do it for a living. Allot are abused, forced into it by pimps, some were abused as kids; some are single mothers with no means to make ends meet. Now, rap music calls women bitches and whoes, and I've seen t-shirts for kids with the words "Pimp In Training", like it's cool to beat women and force them into degrading themselves. It's terrible. Some women come from third world countries through an agency that gets them a passport, thinking they'll be working here. Once they get here, they take the passports away and force them into prostitution in order to pay back the cost of coming here. And when these women are beaten up and eventually killed, the cops do nothing.
 

no1important

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It should be legalized and controlled. The governments need to set up safe houses for them to ply thier trade, get medical tests, and generally be safe. Prostitution is not ever going to go away.

The neocon law and order theme by charging them and throwing them in jail does not work.
 

MMMike

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no1important said:
It should be legalized and controlled. The governments need to set up safe houses for them to ply thier trade, get medical tests, and generally be safe. Prostitution is not ever going to go away.

The neocon law and order theme by charging them and throwing them in jail does not work.

I agree completely. Except for the part about governments setting up safe houses - this is a business. They can set up their own place of 'business'. It is coming, along with legalization of marijuana. Not soon enough!
 

Dexter Sinister

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Sure, legalize it and regulate it, make it a legitimate career option for women. Would you encourage your sisters or daughters to sign up?

We need to think a little more deeply than that. Legalizing and regulating prostitution doesn't really solve much, it still leaves the women as victims. I can't presume to speak for women as a group, but I find it hard to believe that many women would choose a life of prostitution unless they perceived it as a matter of raw survival and they had no other options.

I'm inclined to think prostitution is an artifact of what we are pleased to call civilization. I've never heard of anything like it existing in hunter-gatherer societies, but this is really a complex debate I don't have the knowledge to understand fully, so I won't take that any farther than simply raising the matter.

Ask yourself this though: regular medical attention for prostitutes, who is that really intended to protect? The pimps who have an economic interest in keeping them healthy, and the johns who use their services. It doesn't protect the prostitutes from disease, it merely puts them out of business to prevent them spreading it when they get one and, we'd hope, provides treatment. If there is one.

If we really want to protect the prostitutes, the johns should be subjected to a medical inspection, which they should pay for, before they're allowed to visit a prostitute, including a waiting period until the results are determined; it takes a while to get results from a bacteriological test. They're the ones who bring the diseases in, so make them responsible.

More broadly, I think we need to examine what the women's movement's been saying for...well, certainly for all of my adult life...about the status of women, gender roles, and all the rest of it, very carefully, 'cause I think it's on to something important, and the continuing existence of prostitution is part of it.
 

Lynaka

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Not to get all scholarly here, but I readily agree with various points made here in regards to prostitution. I've done research on this topic for my Sociology minor many moons ago.

There are many thoughts out there about it in the feminist field. The Marxist feminist theory of it chooses to be involved in gov't legislative changes and assists women's efforts to leave the streets - this radical feminisim sees it as sexual exploitation and abusive. The Liberal Feminist ideologies believe in the attempt to organize sex worker's rights movements and the right to self-determination and self-employment - this feminist side sees it as a legitimate profession and emphasizes autonomy of the body.
Currently, Canada has taken the "sex as exploitation" view and criminalized all activity surrounding it (while not actually making the sex act illegal). Specific European societies have taken the "sex as work" view and legislated it.

We may not have discovered evidence of prostitution in hunter/gatherer societies, but then they were pre-written history. At the time marriage didn't necessarily exist either, so to use our ideas of "normal" sexual mores and ethics is a little off base. My feelings are that, until the stigma of pre-marital sex is truly off the bloom, prostitution will still be viewed as dirty and immoral. I guess I'm a Liberal Feminist who can't but support the sex worker's movements such as C.O.Y.O.T.E. in the US and similar groups elsewhere. If a woman wants the work, and can make that decision based on a life that's not dictated by drugs, alcohol or desperate need, then who am I to tell her otherwise?
 

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If a woman wants the work, and can make that decision based on a life that's not dictated by drugs, alcohol or desperate need, then who am I to tell her otherwise?

That I totally agree with. Its pure common sense. :wink:
 

Dexter Sinister

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Lynaka said:
Not to get all scholarly here...

Oh go ahead, get all scholarly, I'd be very interested. I'm still struggling with feminism after 30 something years at it. I have been offended, insulted, and personally deeply wounded by certain aspects of feminism, and certain feminists (every social movement has a lunatic fringe), while remaining broadly supportive of its goals as I understand them, but there's a bewildering variety. Liberal feminism, for instance, seems to define things in terms of the norm and the other, the norm being healthy white guys (like me) and everybody else is the other, and seeks to embrace, even celebrate the other without submerging its otherness. There's a radical feminism, which I've also heard called cultural feminism, that similarly defines things but seeks to supplant the norm with the other, thus defining a new norm. And there's a brand of academic feminism I've encountered that seems to be claiming all these things are social constructs and should be done away with. And then there's Marxist femininism, and probably a hundred others I've never heard of....

Hm... maybe this needs a separate thread.
 

Lynaka

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And we wonder why the newer generations think that "feminism" is a bad word! I can't even keep up with the various "flavours" of feminism, so I couldn't expect some 20-something who's never experienced old-style gender bias to understand either.

But yes...another thread perhaps.
 

Gonzo

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Lynaka wrote - If a woman wants the work, and can make that decision based on a life that's not dictated by drugs, alcohol or desperate need, then who am I to tell her otherwise?

Then there would be no prostitutes. Because no women wants to do it.
 

Lynaka

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While not belittling their situation, male prostitutes make up a very small fraction of sex workers overall. Even in the Netherlands there is no organized protection of male sex workers, although homosexuality is much more accepted there. Unlike feminist organizations, I'm sure social justice groups that protect women would also protect men.
 

tramp33

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Gonzo said:
Lynaka wrote - If a woman wants the work, and can make that decision based on a life that's not dictated by drugs, alcohol or desperate need, then who am I to tell her otherwise?

Then there would be no prostitutes. Because no women wants to do it.
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Realistically speaking not all men "want to go to work every day either", as far as that go's Gonzo. And a lot of women would quite obviously sooner engage in prostitution than go out and find themselve's a real job, as degrading as this age old profession is said to be for them? Their to damned lazy to do anything else just as some men are too lazy to do much other than steal to get by, it's that simple.
 

missile

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kden604 said:
You guys are gearing this all towards women, I'm sure they would be a "man whore" business too. Didn't you ever watch Deuce Bigalow, Male Gigalo? :)
That was really a kind and gentle film[A big surprise to me considering the star!] He's doing the sequel for it now. Even with Viagra and other drugs,I think it a difficult and trying occupation for any man-even Deuce!
 

Jo Canadian

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Sure, legalize it and regulate it, make it a legitimate career option for women. Would you encourage your sisters or daughters to sign up?

Who said it had to be a legitimate career choice? If those that have no other choice had to go that far for money, it would be cleaner and safer for them if regulated. Otherwise things will be left as it is now which isn't safe for the johns and most of all for the women/girls involved.

Lets not forget that Edmonton has also had issues with murdered prostitutes over the last few years. They don't know who it is yet.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/edmonton_murders/
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/27/edmontonmurder030827
http://www.geocities.com/verbal_plainfield/activecases/edmonton.html
http://www.missingpeople.net/vpd_get_calgary_murder_dna.htm

Whether we outlaw it or not there will always be the problem of prostitution. Regulating an occupation as dangerous as this is there to keep your sisters or daughters SAFER if prostitution is a necessary means to survive.
 

Twila

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Women are allowed to be paid for sex IF it's filmed and you've signed a contract for it.......

I think male prostitution is bigger then stats say. Many male prositutes are dressed as women though....so maybe that creates a very large grey area.

With regards to the lazy part.....they don't lie around on their backs waiting for customers....they don't lie on their backs getting fecked.....they're working....full body work out.

A man is not going to pay a hooker to lie there. He'd be at home with his wife if that's what he wanted.